Guild Wars 2

seems like it doesnt work. anyone?

It does work but the speed-bonus is marginal. I think it’s approximately the same speed you get from swiftness. I tried it by running around with air signet while switching to air and I didn’t really notice any change in speed. You only notice it in combat, but still it doesn’t do much more than simple swiftness. So it’s still the worst trait ever.

Switching targets while chaneling a spell seems not to work. Anybody else tried?

edit: talking about speed … is windborne dagger (still) bugged?

Speed is capped at 133% (which is the speed you have with swiftness),
you will only notice the +100% speed from one with air if you’re crippled, chilled or in any other way slowed.

Another question: have you tested the increased radius from Fireball (with blasting staff)? I tried it at the golems in the mists by casting a fireball at a golem surrounded by many others and by placing a lava-font exactly under the golem. The font hit more targets.

edit: fireball seems to cap at 3 targets … is this intended?

Should the movement speed increase from One with Air apply to all movements, and not just movement forward? Currently, it does not seem to affect movement speed for backpedal or strafing.

susansmistake.7285:

Should the movement speed increase from One with Air apply to all movements, and not just movement forward? Currently, it does not seem to affect movement speed for backpedal or strafing.

nor does swiftness, so One with Air is working as intended.

I swore “One with air” granted a permanent 25% movement before… now its gone!.. : 0

Now its just a super speed switftness that only last 1 sec and then returens to a slow normal running speed :/

LAME

LoL… After testing I would like to have the old “One with air” plz…

How is it possible to be mobile with 1,5 sec “superspeed”? (and the “superspeed” is nothing super when you test it)

^ @Karazul: So true… it’s not really all that “super”

Yeah, pretty disappointed in the trait update. Guess it will remain in my “Do not use” pile.

From the GW2 Wiki:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Super_Speed

BUG: Does not exceed the blanket speed cap of 33% out of combat, 25% in combat

That’s right, ladies and gentleman … they released code with known bugs.

At my job that would have gotten someone fired.

Actually: isn’t there an engineer trait/skill (don’t remember wich) that makes them move with+100% speed? That one isn’t capped, it is really 200% of base speed last time I tried it.
Anyway: 1,5 sec is TOOOOOOO SHORT.

Karazul.2934:

LoL… After testing I would like to have the old “One with air” plz…

How is it possible to be mobile with 1,5 sec “superspeed”? (and the “superspeed” is nothing super when you test it)

They reused the engineer’s Superspeed which has a known bug in that it doesn’t exceed the 33% OoC and 25% IC limits. So that is a 66% to 75% waste in speed.

As for the duration, they are afraid of the stacking from FreshAir builds which is exactly where they targetted this for in the first place. The duration needs to be 2.5s to be of much use, IMO … even with a FA build.

The new “One with air” is the lamest thing I’ve ever seen. I want the old one back. I mean what are 100% additional speed for 1.5 sek instead of 25% moving speed the whole time? Now I have to use “Signet of Air” which blocks one of my utility slots

You have to use it while in combat. It’s significantly faster than swiftness there.

OneManArmy.9732:

seems like it doesnt work. anyone?

It procs in combat, setting forward movement speed at 400 instead of the usual 210 for 1.5 seconds, which is nearly double combat movement speed. Effectively, this creates about 190 units of distance between you and someone else with swiftness on, or a melee autoattack’s distance worth.

A cool idea for chasing or disengaging, especially with fresh air, but not impactful enough for me to want to take it compared to bolt to the heart’s raw damage increase. Has anyone tested to see if it also has the stunbreak component of engineer’s super speed? If so, this would be a must-take for a 10 point trait.

Although a possible stunbreak every 5 seconds sounds pleasing doubt it works that way.

We need mobility to survive in PvP, and 1,5 secs of speed is not enough even with Fresh Air builds.

Josh thanks for replaying here but… honestly I rather have the old 25% movement speed back..

Josh Davis.6015:

Skills like Super Speed and traits like One With Air set movement speed to the cap. The difference between out-of-combat swiftness and the movement speed cap is very small and won’t be very noticeable.

You’ll mostly notice the effectiveness of these skills when you’re in-combat, as you will be considerably faster than someone with swiftness. It will also reduce the effectiveness of chilled and crippled while under the effects of Super Speed type movement buffs.

Hope that clears things up!

I have to agree with the other posters. This was false advertising. What good is 100% increased movement speed if it doesn’t apply to straffing, dodge, backpedals, leaps, evasive rolls. That’s what makes up the majority of combat mobility, not forward movement speed. It doesn’t even apply outside of combat. And it last for 1.5 seconds. This is completely useless. You guys have ruined an amazing idea here. Quite honestly, you’ve made a mistake.

One of the many major buffs this patch for Elementalists, LULZ. Thanks for….nothing per usual.

-brotha

Josh Davis.6015:

Skills like Super Speed and traits like One With Air set movement speed to the cap. The difference between out-of-combat swiftness and the movement speed cap is very small and won’t be very noticeable.

You’ll mostly notice the effectiveness of these skills when you’re in-combat, as you will be considerably faster than someone with swiftness. It will also reduce the effectiveness of chilled and crippled while under the effects of Super Speed type movement buffs.

Hope that clears things up!

Things are clear, Josh.
Its just that the Change did more harm than good. The old 25% Speed was very useful, while the new one is very situational. It would have been nice to add the new Bonus, instead of taking away the old one.
The Change is quite Toxic for some Builds out there.

One with air is 100% increase to in combat movement speed:

As per the wiki:
Out of combat movement speed: 300 u/s
In-combat movement speed: 210 u/s
Speed cap: 400 u/s (133% of ooc speed)
One with air: 1.5 s of movement at 400 u/s every 10s = 600 units
Normal in-combat benefit from elemental attunements (280 u/s) for 1.5s = 420 units
Applied every 10s that is a whole: (600-420)/10 = 18 u/s difference!!

So useless!

Josh, I actually used the 25% movement speed buff it was before.

You removed this from me and gave me something that I can’t see any practical use for. 1.5 seconds is not enough time for that amount of speed to be any sort of advantage. Even WITH a Fresh Air build which was the target for this change in the first place.

Either buff the duration or put it back.

P.S. : Do you even have any WvW/PvP focused elementalists on your internal testing server? This is something that anyone with half a brain could have pointed out to you during development.

P.P.S. : Inscription is a better trait for speed now. I can use Inscription and get 45+ seconds of swiftness by swapping to Air and using GoEH .

I really like the change. I used superspeed both from the toolbelt and from kit refinement all the time on my engi to get out of circles or open/close some distance. Already found it useful on the ele.

Though admittedly, since less of our movement skills benefit from speed buffs, it does lose some of it’s effectiveness there. Nothing comparable to rocket boots of combo it with.

Khalic.3561:

[…] Nothing comparable to rocket boots of combo it with.

A guildmate of mine pointed out how nice it would have been if a longer duration would allow a similar combo like: switch on lightning for owa-proc, switch to fire and use staff’s 200 distance buffed burning retreat with the bonus (or a burning speed from dagger). Add in some Fresh Air Procs and even something crazy silly like 20pts in fire for cd reduction for a 16 burning retreat (just some fun theorycrafting) but unfortunately even with 30pts in arcane to reduce the attunement gcd of the non selected attunemt to 1 sec you cannot switch attunements fast enough to make it even work in the first place.

Maybe something like a fresh air/one with air d/d ele could become fun?

Griswold.2054:

Khalic.3561:

[…] Nothing comparable to rocket boots of combo it with.

A guildmate of mine pointed out how nice it would have been if a longer duration would allow a similar combo like: switch on lightning for owa-proc, switch to fire and use staff’s 200 distance buffed burning retreat with the bonus (or a burning speed from dagger).

You could get that effect by swapping to air while wielding a lava axe, then using burning retreat. It might also have an effect on the LH leap, not sure though.

I am another that prefered the permanent speed One with Air had before.

Khalic.3561:

Griswold.2054:

Khalic.3561:

[…] Nothing comparable to rocket boots of combo it with.

A guildmate of mine pointed out how nice it would have been if a longer duration would allow a similar combo like: switch on lightning for owa-proc, switch to fire and use staff’s 200 distance buffed burning retreat with the bonus (or a burning speed from dagger).

You could get that effect by swapping to air while wielding a lava axe, then using burning retreat. It might also have an effect on the LH leap, not sure though.

Oh right, of course, didn’t think of that, even though i was testing the double burning retreat with staff and axe in the mists. which btw is quite nice, a double 200distance buffed burning retreat is quite fun ^^

/edit speaking of testing it with conjures, it would be worthwhile to test it on flameswords whirlwind and especially fiery rush paired with flash

wish i had some free time on my hands to test the new patch, i definatley will test how a the aforementioned freshair/onewithair d/d ele in wvw with traited 32s rtl will perform now in wvw

/offtopic
nevertheless the best part about that patch is the fix for that lock-in-animation/cast bug while targetswitching or targetdying while channeling, makes me a much more happy sceptre ele

Josh Davis.6015:

Skills like Super Speed and traits like One With Air set movement speed to the cap. The difference between out-of-combat swiftness and the movement speed cap is very small and won’t be very noticeable.

You’ll mostly notice the effectiveness of these skills when you’re in-combat, as you will be considerably faster than someone with swiftness. It will also reduce the effectiveness of chilled and crippled while under the effects of Super Speed type movement buffs.

Hope that clears things up!

Yeah realized it myself while in combat…all I can say…great job ^^, this new trait has already saved my kitten multiple times while fleeing from angry mobs

Really great trait , thx to you guys I can finally drop signet of air in WvWvW ( it’s still good though)

Gesamtkunstwerk.6590:

Josh Davis.6015:

Skills like Super Speed and traits like One With Air set movement speed to the cap. The difference between out-of-combat swiftness and the movement speed cap is very small and won’t be very noticeable.

You’ll mostly notice the effectiveness of these skills when you’re in-combat, as you will be considerably faster than someone with swiftness. It will also reduce the effectiveness of chilled and crippled while under the effects of Super Speed type movement buffs.

Hope that clears things up!

I have to agree with the other posters. This was false advertising. What good is 100% increased movement speed if it doesn’t apply to straffing, dodge, backpedals, leaps, evasive rolls. That’s what makes up the majority of combat mobility, not forward movement speed. It doesn’t even apply outside of combat. And it last for 1.5 seconds. This is completely useless. You guys have ruined an amazing idea here. Quite honestly, you’ve made a mistake.

This is an excellent point. This new trait may have supplied a bit of interesting utility if it worked with strafing and what-not. But, as it doesn’t, it’s utterly useless.

Josh Davis.6015:

Skills like Super Speed and traits like One With Air set movement speed to the cap. The difference between out-of-combat swiftness and the movement speed cap is very small and won’t be very noticeable.

You’ll mostly notice the effectiveness of these skills when you’re in-combat, as you will be considerably faster than someone with swiftness. It will also reduce the effectiveness of chilled and crippled while under the effects of Super Speed type movement buffs.

Hope that clears things up!

Really really than you for this.This trait is anything but useless and it really shows of huge time in combat.Nice way to increase survivability without essing with healing and sustain !

Btw for the rest posting here use leaps with ..have some fun for once

Josh you guys need to rethink your views on the elementalist. No one is happy with it and many people quit playing when they heard it was supposed to be terrible at everything. It doesn’t work in a condi neta. It doesn’t work in a stun meta. It won’t work in a power meta. Warriors hit harder and are tankier at the same time. I understand you guys worked kitten this update but I’m tired of being underdog. Same with rangers. Fix our traits man.

This works pretty well with lava axe if you:

cast axe—>swap air—>turn around—>burning retreat—>turn around—>flame leap

More mobility than old RTL!

But then again, that is true even w/o the trait.

BlackBeard.2873:

This works pretty well with lava axe if you:

cast axe—>swap air—>turn around—>burning retreat—>turn around—>flame leap

More mobility than old RTL!

But then again, that is true even w/o the trait.

well, you now need a utilitie skill and a trait slot to do something a little better than a thing that costed us 1wepaon skill (also dealing damage) that we deserved and that was unfairly nerfed ? Word has been said: “unfair”

BlackBeard.2873:

This works pretty well with lava axe if you:

cast axe—>swap air—>turn around—>burning retreat—>turn around—>flame leap

More mobility than old RTL!

But then again, that is true even w/o the trait.

Try it with the elite greatsword!! Thats were it shows the biggest.Its also dope with magnetic grasp (go far far away than when the skill got red the first time :P) and both the retreats.Bunring speed seems to not have much of a difference though

Mattmatt.4962:

BlackBeard.2873:

This works pretty well with lava axe if you:

cast axe—>swap air—>turn around—>burning retreat—>turn around—>flame leap

More mobility than old RTL!

But then again, that is true even w/o the trait.

well, you now need a utilitie skill and a trait slot to do something a little better than a thing that costed us 1wepaon skill (also dealing damage) that we deserved and that was unfairly nerfed ? Word has been said: “unfair”

The actual weapon isn’t terrible either, esp for might-stacking, which our old bunker use to do for semi-decent damage.

The far-point assault is on!

Also, this works with staff or s/f, which might be even better for a bunker. S/F can hold our quite long and has some great tools to take down those pesky spirit rangers and other pet classes (dragon’s tooth’s best use is killing pets).

I would’ve preferred a straight 25% movement speed while in air. The 133% speed on attunement isn’t enough a bonus to make the trait worthwhile.

mjharrison.3209:

I would’ve preferred a straight 25% movement speed while in air. The 133% speed on attunement isn’t enough a bonus to make the trait worthwhile.

Not in a million years. Im gonna say it again one time again before i go to sleep.
Movement speed affects leaps.So does super speed.Cast a leap like burning retreat and quickly switch to air and see what happened.This trait imho is tier 2 and with fresh air is almost op.
Just wait and see what will happen in the future

Success criterion for elementalist are now whether they are able to flee.

the hard cap being a, well, hard cap, even for traits like this one is really dumb
The trait isn’t much more than “movement speed reductions are removed for 1.5 seconds”

Look at Purging Flames buff for guardians -20% condition duration AOE! And now look at +1.5 sec movement speed that is not working out of combat…

Liquid Swords.1740:

I can’t be the only one that thinks this should of replaced Zephyr’s Speed for the 5 points in air trait?

then it would actually be good, and we obviously can’t have that

After this, I’m dropping Air Magic to 0. Thanks for ruining that skill.

Maybe it’s time to move to another class, one that doesn’t suck and is favored by the devs.

join the ever increasing pool of warriors

“Air, that force of nature that can move over 200 miles per hour (tornados/hurricanes). It’ll drive straws into trees and blow with such force and speed that buildings succumb to its power. As an elementalist, I’m one with the elements!” /cough

Sorry, but this “One with Air” change seems like a “Puff of Air,” especially since all of the ele’s speed skills have a longer recharge duration now — many of which have almost doubled since release.

The One with Air change seems to make sense in combat, especially for PvP/WvW. In battle, I am constantly switching elements, as is intended for the class. However, for just relaxing, gathering materials, etc. in PvE, it’s nice to get a break from the insane button mashing (aka: constant element swapping).

Anet, please consider giving the elementalist a better running skill (weapon or utility — with less than a 30 second cooldown) or returning our old #4 trait. (However, it looks like “Signet of Air” will likely be a near perma-addition to my skill bar again…)

Lava axe allowes to give group permanent fury before battle start) with +boon duration runes