Guild Wars 2

Raijinn.9065:

The engineer has been nerfed into the ground plenty enough times

Which is downright insulting considering their policy of “small nerfs to tune balance”, which has allowed multiple classes to be near god mode since launch.

Typical Patch Notes:
Mesmer: -2% damage on a skill they use occasionally.
Thief: -1% damage on a skill they use occasionally.
Engineer: Powerful trait now useless. Main attack – 30% damage.

Be happy people still care enough about this class to complain about it. A forum full of whining is still infinintly better than the worst alternative, a dead forum that no one cares about.

Mif.3471:

Raijinn.9065:

The engineer has been nerfed into the ground plenty enough times

Which is downright insulting considering their policy of “small nerfs to tune balance”, which has allowed multiple classes to be near god mode since launch.

Typical Patch Notes:
Mesmer: -2% damage on a skill they use occasionally.
Thief: -1% damage on a skill they use occasionally.
Engineer: Powerful trait now useless. Main attack – 30% damage.

The 30% damage nerf to grenade skill 1 was needed and justifyed, still one of the best spamable AoE Damage skills in the game! Also, just because I can remeber it over the top of my head:
Heartseeker: Reduced damage of the 100%-50% threshold by 20%. Damage thresholds changed. Old: 100%-66%, 66%-33%, 33%-0%. New: 100%-50%, 50%-25%, 25%-0%
Dancing Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 50%.

Pistol Whip got nerfed for 25% or 35% damage, If I remeber right?

that ain’t 1% at least

Also Memser haven’t gotten many direct % damage nerfs, but they gotten longer CD’s on some stuff, and nerfs on the utility! But yeah, not been picked that much on, gotten a lot less stuff fixed!

Tbh there is less talk on the forums, but for many reasons. One reason is that they finally fixed Giver’s weapons let allowed the Engineer to build into 50% and 100% duration builds. This was a huge boost even though it wasn’t profession specific. It made HGH build even stronger which was already strong. Another reason is that Engineer who play sPvP weren’t too mad over KR because turrets got a huge buff. Another reason is that Engineers who play WvW were disappointed with turrets – no HP boost or AoE immunity or cooldown reduced on deployment/couldn’t reduce by picking up. Personally I think that we may have gained a bit more Engineers then we lost and tbh I’ve been playing my Engineer a lot more despite the WvW Rankings (gave up from the start). They are playing more then they are posting.

Pretty much ANET stopped the bleeding on the Engineer profession, but we’ll see how much longer the bandage holds. If we want to grow this profession ANET needs to develop a starter build that inexperienced players can get into. Engineer’s that profession that leaves you hanging, but its the fact that you get left hanging that brings you back for more.

Amadeus.5687:

that ain’t 1% at least

It ain’t “to the ground” either….

Since the direct damage output of Grenades is based on Shrapnel and Freeze as well, a 30% nerf to the autos wasn’t as bad as it seemed either. We also got the ability for our kits to proc Sigils that patch, which Grenades can do very well.

Our Grenade nerf most certainly wasn’t a “to the ground” nerf either.

Wow, pointing it out, people ARE really negative. Holy balls. Pipe down. We’re not useless, we still can do many things. Cheer up! I’ll be making a Fungineer video soon just for fun

* looks through comments, reads majority, eats a snickers bar and proceeds typing

It looks like a good majority of the engi forum regulars are present, few absent or tardy. I’ve came to the same conclusion as others have, theres not really much to talk about anymore as everyone has picked their sides on all the old disputes, gotten tired of the old jokes("Only an Engineer" could use some attention...), and everyone knows all the builds. You want to see some activity, find us something new and/or interesting to talk about.

I only pop into this forum once in awhile to see if anyone has posted interesting WvW builds and videos that I hadn’t thought of before, to see if it might perk my interest in playing my Engi again. Otherwise I’ve played my Ele full time since November and haven’t really looked back.

Amadeus.5687:

Mif.3471:

Raijinn.9065:

The engineer has been nerfed into the ground plenty enough times

Which is downright insulting considering their policy of “small nerfs to tune balance”, which has allowed multiple classes to be near god mode since launch.

Typical Patch Notes:
Mesmer: -2% damage on a skill they use occasionally.
Thief: -1% damage on a skill they use occasionally.
Engineer: Powerful trait now useless. Main attack – 30% damage.

The 30% damage nerf to grenade skill 1 was needed and justifyed, still one of the best spamable AoE Damage skills in the game! Also, just because I can remeber it over the top of my head:
Heartseeker: Reduced damage of the 100%-50% threshold by 20%. Damage thresholds changed. Old: 100%-66%, 66%-33%, 33%-0%. New: 100%-50%, 50%-25%, 25%-0%
Dancing Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 50%.

Pistol Whip got nerfed for 25% or 35% damage, If I remeber right?

that ain’t 1% at least

Also Memser haven’t gotten many direct % damage nerfs, but they gotten longer CD’s on some stuff, and nerfs on the utility! But yeah, not been picked that much on, gotten a lot less stuff fixed!

This is PvP only mostly. In WvW thieves still have non-nerfed backstab and dancing dagger (and a couple of other things).

I copyed that from the patch notes (Beside Pistol Whip, which was both places), didn’t say anything about sPvP only there! So I highly doubt it, and Thieves in WvW is a joke anyway!

I have to agree with some opinions about the negativity and pessimism; they are right and it’s infectious, like a niggling doubt in the back of your mind.

For instance I never played Power grenades, I was experimenting with condition grenades before they were mentioned on the forum at all (and I trust many were doing just the same). Similarly now I’ve been trying my darndest to experiment with a turret-based build. I have – I think – four different incarnations of the same build and the work is excruciating given I can rarely test in tPvP, and most often only in hotjoin (the quality of which, to me at least, is oftentimes downright rage-inducing).

I really tip my hat to the regular contributors for their ideas and motivation through discussion and videos: Thanks guys Early times in MMOs are always trying especially since the vast majority of PvP players in particular don’t want a challenge but a win-button.

Right now though I’m enjoying reading about the odd idea here and there and taking a few days off to avoid getting burned out. Work has been a hassle too, but I delight in the fact that I’m very near to completing the turret build. Rangers and some Confusion bomber Mesmers still give me a run for my money, but I absolutely thrash melees and other engineers. Turrets can be extremely potent it seems, or perhaps I just like a challenge and the practise is paying off.

Who knows.

EDIT: I think work exhaustion is getting the better of me. I can’t even write coherently anymore. I do want to add that the only time I get really mad is when I have to repeatedly fight 1v3 or 1v4 and people badmouth me because I try different things.

Also a lot depends on what WvW server your on as well. When I was in a lower tier I really enjoyed my Engineer for its soloing capabilities, but now since I’ve been in tier one for months and things are a bit crowded other professions shine. Tbh if Grenade #1 was auto cast or had a toggle that would be awesome. The lag is so bad now its hard to really justify using grenades. Staff #1 for Guardian & Mesmer just do a better job in that situation.

T1 mostly fighting in EB. The skill lag is so bad, I have to give up on HGH builds sometimes. No point trying to manage elixirs when utilities are impossible to activate and toolbelt skills are double impossible.

Ironically the lag does actually encourage a bit more variety when HGH is impossible.

Lag is the sole reason I’m in the Borderland maps 90% of the time.

That and there’s enough randoms that queue up for EB only that when we attack a Borderland as a guild, we’re often the only people there.

I’ve moved to my warrior\guardian\thief alts. The only use for my engi is farming cs with FT.
I wonder, will there ever be some fix. We can all thank the “Engi is fine” crowd for making engi even worse.

I just got my engineer to 80 and i love it

Isslair.4908:

We can all thank the “Engi is fine” crowd for making engi even worse.

you are most welcome. you are also most welcome to go and play something else if you really do not like what is going on.

but i think that this thread is pointed evidence that there is a large community of engi who think things are fine (and let us return to our roots of comic collecting momentarily to recall that “fine” does not mean “mint”), and that is why they stay.

All mmo classes have ups and downs. despite some changes in mechanics to a few skills that broke some niche builds, the main functionality and versatility of the engi remains.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve meant.

Even if anet will destroy every single viable build for engi there will be still stubborn people who’ll just say “Engi is fine”, “I’m proud to be the minority”, “Mainstream sucks, nerf us more”, “Versatility!!11one”.

That’s why I’ve stopped reading this forums.

Isslair.4908:

We can all thank the “Engi is fine” crowd for making engi even worse.

How do you figure?

Fine does not mean we don’t need changes or fixes. Fine is a relative term. Relative to the other classes we are fine. That does not mean that we nor the rest of the classes need no more changes by any means. We are fine in the terms that this class is fun and is functional in contrast to the rest of the game.

I’m happy to discuss changes that I feel Engineers need. I’m not happy to discuss how awful we are, because that’s simply a pity party and accomplishes nothing. Detailed discussion on changes and problems is helpful and illuminating. If your focus is truly to help the Engineer, that should be what is discussed. Optimism trounces pessimism in terms of anything being constructive on text forums.

I don’t like extremes: we are not broken and we are not fixed.

The question was why the forums are more quiet now, and the state of the engineer will be part of that, despite some saying they are fine no matter what…

Kalan.9705:

T1 mostly fighting in EB. The skill lag is so bad, I have to give up on HGH builds sometimes. No point trying to manage elixirs when utilities are impossible to activate and toolbelt skills are double impossible.

Ironically the lag does actually encourage a bit more variety when HGH is impossible.

Lag this is one of the reasons I really wish Grenade #1 had an auto-cast toggle even if it didn’t have auto target. In those huge laggy fights my grenades become practically useless because I can’t continue to attack. However, I wouldn’t mind if grenades had an auto-cast/target option because in those large fights half the time a person can’t find their cursor to actually throw grenades lol.

I too do not go HGH in T1 in large fights. If I plan on running with a large group it’s Mesmer or Guardian. Flamethrower is really fun, but its depressing seeing half the bag/badges/WvW XP drop compared to on my Mesmer/Guardian.

I took a step away from the forum, not the class. There is a difference for me, between incessant whining and useful criticism. I enjoy the class. it can use improvements but these forums aren’t worth my time when it seems posters are only here to gripe. So I check in every now but won’t comment if it’s a gripe-fest.

Isslair.4908:

Yeah, that’s what I’ve meant.

Even if anet will destroy every single viable build for engi there will be still stubborn people who’ll just say “Engi is fine”, “I’m proud to be the minority”, “Mainstream sucks, nerf us more”, “Versatility!!11one”.

That’s why I’ve stopped reading this forums.

lol look at this guy! he stopped reading forums. He must not be able to respond then right? wait….. wait….. no… he’s just trolling the forums. sadface.

Imo, engie is fine, im proud that we’re the minority, and welcome the nerfs because we are so versatile we can adapt to anything anet throws at us.

But when you say Engineer is fine, what you really mean is Engineer is overpowered.

^ I like the second video hahaaaahah

nakoda.4213:

Phineas Poe.3018:

But when you say Engineer is fine, what you really mean is Engineer is overpowered.

well, it’s a bit more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCqVyROqno

edit: LOL at the “Sun” and “Mirror” headlines.

edit 2: since i’m on point with the videos, here is a take on the new KR…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EGAtLGDU7M

Funny videos

Kalan.9705:

nakoda.4213:

Phineas Poe.3018:

But when you say Engineer is fine, what you really mean is Engineer is overpowered.

well, it’s a bit more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCqVyROqno

edit: LOL at the “Sun” and “Mirror” headlines.

edit 2: since i’m on point with the videos, here is a take on the new KR…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EGAtLGDU7M

Funny videos

This made my day. I couldn’t stop laughing lol.

Will the bronze need tying to sticks?

Yes!

Cracking.

nakoda.4213:

Will the bronze need tying to sticks?

Yes!

Cracking.

Yeah brilliant! Sometimes post-patch can be a bit like:

“Did HGH survive this round?”

“Yes!”

“Oh in that case, everything is fine, learn to play, everything is still fine”

There’s a reason engineer is the least-played class in the game, and it’s NOT because we are “fine”. This class needs serious buffing. Instead, anet nerfs it every single patch.

danbuter.2314:

There’s a reason engineer is the least-played class in the game, and it’s NOT because we are “fine”. This class needs serious buffing. Instead, anet nerfs it every single patch.

We now return you to your regularly pessimistic forums already in progress.