Guild Wars 2

Not sure why they felt the need to buff toolkit even further. It already was one of the top two kits before, if not the best one alltogether.

Improvements to FT and EG are more than welcome, maybe they’ll be useful outside of “I play my way no matter what” gimmick builds now.

Not happy about Med kit stowing, like Engineers need even more key strokes.

It’s a buff to individual kits.

It’s the combinations that have been nerfed.

I’m rather happy with this update, which is rare for me. Loads of buffs and only one nerf, isn’t it normally the other way around?

Plus it means my EG+Toolkit build will be more interesting to use. Never did like grenades anyway and I’ll never use them until they use normal targeting, not ground targeting.

houndmd.4360:

I am now basicaly COMPELLED to jump every time I switch on my MedKit, because refinement skill on it is the most useless skill ever and will only buck up cd for insta Super Elixir. Acid finisher is good though.

The Spiral King.2483:

I never touch the grenade and mine kit nowadays anyway. All I use is FT and EG, so this is basically an all around buff for me. I’m quite happy for once.

Share your build then! No more medkit for me :c

Change to Kit refinement doesn’t affect MedKit

Everything we got was a buff except for kit refinement so I am very happy with this patch. inb4 muh 100nades I never really liked that build and the super elixir buff more than makes up for it (especially since I’m using all my kit refinements on that)

Also flamethrower buffs ^-^

Dirame.8521:

Sylosi.6503:

The kit refinement thing is beyond moronic, 100nades will now work like this, switch to toolkit, pull with magnet, switch to nades – oh 10 sec cooldown, no grenade barrage…

Didn’t they state they didn’t want to break builds? One word ‘clueless’.

You are overreacting. 10 seconds isn’t a long time and I should know, I have a whole build built around a 10 second cooldown.

Apparently you don’t know, so I’ll give you an example, it is fairly common to set up the burst in 100nades by swtiching to toolkit, using the magnet skill to pull your target, then move into your target and use grenade barrage & switch to grenade kit to set off the grenade barrage from that, that takes a lot less than 10 secs, except now with the 10 sc global cooldown on kit refinement, your grenade barrage will not fire, half of your burst is gone.

Nor is jsut 100nade effected, it is a nerf to all multiple kit builds, unless of course you switch to a kit and stay in for 10 secs before switching to the next, in whcih case you are doing it wrong.

It has also made a class, that is already on the ‘clinuky’ side even more clunky.

Killer Rhino.6794:

If whatever this patch ends up actually being (since, ya know, it just came out…) gets players to start running multiple kits more, I’m all for it. I’ve been urging engineers to use 3-kits as much as possible; it’s really where this class shines.

I haven’t tried the new patch yet, but it suggests that my PvE build is going to see a bit of a bump in effectiveness (which it nice, but I already thought it was pretty good to start).

Traits: 5/30/0/25/10
Armor: Zerk
Runes: Sup. of the Engi, x6
Trinkets: Valkyrie, x6, with Emeralds, x6

Elixir Gun, Flamethrower, Toolkit, Supply Crate

This discourages multiple kits…

Hey it’s another blast finisher that fires me out of my teams combo field area.

waka.9826:

Killer Rhino.6794:

If whatever this patch ends up actually being (since, ya know, it just came out…) gets players to start running multiple kits more, I’m all for it. I’ve been urging engineers to use 3-kits as much as possible; it’s really where this class shines.

I haven’t tried the new patch yet, but it suggests that my PvE build is going to see a bit of a bump in effectiveness (which it nice, but I already thought it was pretty good to start).

Traits: 5/30/0/25/10
Armor: Zerk
Runes: Sup. of the Engi, x6
Trinkets: Valkyrie, x6, with Emeralds, x6

Elixir Gun, Flamethrower, Toolkit, Supply Crate

This discourages multiple kits…

Based on what, exactly?

So let me get this straight; engi got yet another nerf, Deployable Turrets still broken, turrets still useless and yet thieves with perma stealth, 2 shotkill backstab/heartseaker spammers don’t get nerfed.

Really Anet, really? -_-

Adamantium.3682:

The shared cooldown is only on Elixir Gun, Grenade Kit, Tool Kit, and Flamethrower. The Med Kit won’t block anything, so you don’t have to abandon it.

I hope they simply didn´t forget Med Kit in the patchnotes, otherwise all builds with speedy kits and on heal-effects on traits and runes would be a no-go with kit refinement now.

Nevertheless, if they wanted to nerf 100nades, this is a lazy fix at best and an unneeded annoyance for every build with kit refinement, including EG´s condition cleanse.

I’m indifferent about the Kit Refinement nerf.

With the FT/EG build, I never cared for the FT’s KR proc. Just going to have to be a little more mindful when I swap to my Med Kit is all.

Why is it that every other class gets tiny adjustments to abilities the devs think are OP, but every time the devs think an Engineer ability is too strong it gets the “to the ground” treatment.

blurps.2340:

Not sure why they felt the need to buff toolkit even further. It already was one of the top two kits before, if not the best one alltogether.

Improvements to FT and EG are more than welcome, maybe they’ll be useful outside of “I play my way no matter what” gimmick builds now.

Not happy about Med kit stowing, like Engineers need even more key strokes.

Do you remember the time Toolkit wasn’t on anybody’s radar? If you don’t, I do. The buff for the kit is not even that great, confusion is one of the weakest conditions in the game and only really affects Thieves and Rangers who like to spam 1 all the time. Also if you think FT and EG were only good for gimmick builds, you’ll be surprised how close to OP they’ve come with what they’ve done with this combo.

omg guys this isn’t even a big nerf everything else in there is a buff, some of them are really good ones too

@Teldo

I don’t think it shut 100nade buiuld that much, as you can still switch to toolkit while jumping to not proc the cooldown.

but I completly agree, they just destroyed so many build.

And I’m happy to have the opinion of one(if not) the best engineer in this game!

And I didn’t think about it. Now in tPvP we will be stuck to use HGH conditions build.s

I think it’s a boring build personaly

Flame Blast detonation skill.

I’m happy. :)

Dirame.8521:

confusion is one of the weakest conditions in the game and only really affects Thieves and Rangers who like to spam 1 all the time.

It destroys grenade engineers too.

Harder to use = punished harder.

Doesn’t seem like great game design to me.

Mif.3471:

Why is it that every other class gets tiny adjustments to abilities the devs think are OP, but every time the devs think an Engineer ability is too strong it gets the “to the ground” treatment.

If I remember correctly, people are still using the grenade kit even after the first nerf to the damage. For a time people stopped using it but it still came back to become the crowd’s favourite again in condition builds and high damage builds.

This nerf does nothing to change that. A 10 second cooldown is NOTHING.

Im happy with the changes, we are finally on the right track it seems, great change to toolkit! Gonna get a damp cloth now to dust off my elixir gun and try it out.

Hum… if one would only focus on eg that would mean that we get an all the time (buffed) super elixier and 50% of the time 2x (buffed) super elixier…. if anyone would do that….
I think I´ll try xD
Didn´t like smelly grenades anyway… sniff ;(

Dirame.8521:

This nerf does nothing to change that. A 10 second cooldown is NOTHING.

Except if you run more than 1 kit, which any decent Engineer does.

Dirame.8521:

Mif.3471:

Why is it that every other class gets tiny adjustments to abilities the devs think are OP, but every time the devs think an Engineer ability is too strong it gets the “to the ground” treatment.

If I remember correctly, people are still using the grenade kit even after the first nerf to the damage. For a time people stopped using it but it still came back to become the crowd’s favourite again in condition builds and high damage builds.

This nerf does nothing to change that. A 10 second cooldown is NOTHING.

In TPvP, 10 second is a lot.

Maybe in PvE it’s okay, but mostly anything is playable in PvE.

It’s not the worse nerf ever, but kitten if it’s not annoying.

Why would you nerf the engineer? Removing a lot of build possibilities?.

“Pry Bar: Increased the number of confusion applications from three to five and increased duration of confusion from 3 to 5 seconds.”

This is the single-most idiotic buff ever.

i’m actully afraid the kit refinement specific skills will still have cooldown combined with the new internal cd..

Individual kit buffs are nice.

But some turret buffs would be nice. I realize kits are a more core Engineer mechanic and all, but turrets exist too. Buffs or fixes please?

Glenn.3417:

So let me get this straight; engi got yet another nerf, Deployable Turrets still broken, turrets still useless and yet thieves with perma stealth, 2 shotkill backstab/heartseaker spammers don’t get nerfed.

Really Anet, really? -_-

Actually Jon Peters in another thread said they were fixed or had work done on them, but it didn’t make it into the notes, among other changes.

Kardiamond.6952:

Why would you nerf the engineer? Removing a lot of build possibilities?.

Because he’s the class that Tyria deserves, but not the one it needs right now…and so we’ll nerf him. Because he can take it…because he’s not a warrior. He’s a silent guardian (no, not THAT one), a watchful protector…an Engineer.

Kardiamond.6952:

Dirame.8521:

Mif.3471:

Why is it that every other class gets tiny adjustments to abilities the devs think are OP, but every time the devs think an Engineer ability is too strong it gets the “to the ground” treatment.

If I remember correctly, people are still using the grenade kit even after the first nerf to the damage. For a time people stopped using it but it still came back to become the crowd’s favourite again in condition builds and high damage builds.

This nerf does nothing to change that. A 10 second cooldown is NOTHING.

In TPvP, 10 second is a lot.

Maybe in PvE it’s okay, but mostly anything is playable in PvE.

It’s not the worse nerf ever, but kitten if it’s not annoying.

Why would you nerf the engineer? Removing a lot of build possibilities?.

When I get in-game I’ll check this out but personally, I don’t see a problem. There are ways around the cooldown and in fact, there are different ways to use the build that would still make it effective.

Intigo.1653:

“Pry Bar: Increased the number of confusion applications from three to five and increased duration of confusion from 3 to 5 seconds.”

This is the single-most idiotic buff ever.

Although i’m an Engi, i kind of agree it might be a little too strong now, but hey i ain’t complaining :P

(They nerfed our kit refinement though, imagine having ur Evasive Arcana on 10sec internal CD)

Oh man, the flamethrower…

Gonna have to go back to kits to test this one out. I see some massive damage potential with the detonating flame blast.

And they still didn’t fix the Flamethrowers missing isuess!! Grrr.

Kardiamond.6952:

In TPvP, 10 second is a lot.

Maybe in PvE it’s okay, but mostly anything is playable in PvE.

It’s not the worse nerf ever, but kitten if it’s not annoying.

Why would you nerf the engineer? Removing a lot of build possibilities?.

Yeah… I see the change as more awkward than inpactful, since we can just jump to cancel the kit refinement from going off. I’m failing to see what the intent of this change is? It neither destroys existing builds nor creates new ones… it merely makes kit refinement more annoying to use.
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I’m a big fan of the FT changes and the Blast finisher on Elix gun. Funny thing though, since I actively try to avoid setting off blast finishers in my light fields in favor of water and fire fields, the change actually makes me want to use Kit Refinement even LESS with Elix gun. Go figure.

Please explain how confusion is one of the weakest conditions in the game?

Do you remember the time Toolkit wasn’t on anybody’s radar? If you don’t, I do. The buff for the kit is not even that great, confusion is one of the weakest conditions in the game and only really affects Thieves and Rangers who like to spam 1 all the time. Also if you think FT and EG were only good for gimmick builds, you’ll be surprised how close to OP they’ve come with what they’ve done with this combo.

Sonofakitten. Super elixir Still does have a 20s cooldown on Kit Refinement.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND kit refinement skills still have their normal CD + internal one
fantastic..

I’m not sure if I want to be sad or happy. I have two exotic sets that are really going to get a boost out of this namely the flamethrower from my berseker set and my shaman set from the super elixir.

As far as my Rabid/Vatlaaw w/100% condition duration isn’t going to see a boost till they fix Giver’s weapons though.

P.S. : is Berserkers or Rampager’s better for flamethrower? Thought Rampager’s was for the condition damage.

o great -.-
Why, o why didn´t I expect something like that to happen?

Daigle.8497:

Sonofakitten. Super elixir Still does have a 20s cooldown on Kit Refinement.

…Which puts all the other refinements on a shared 20 second cooldown. Super.

Vuh.1328:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND kit refinement skills still have their normal CD + internal one
fantastic..

Could they be anymore half arsed?
/facepalm

Daigle.8497:

Sonofakitten. Super elixir Still does have a 20s cooldown on Kit Refinement.

So it really is an additional internal cooldown on top of the individual cooldowns of the effects on every kit.

Can’t say I’m surprised…

Oh Well,

I wasn’t happy when I thought it was only an internal cooldown. Now that I know they have both cooldown..

Oh well lol.

Scrap what i just said, it still works like it used to

They didn’t even bother fixing the traits that DO NOTHING. Pfft.

I can’t wait to get home and leviticize some people. FT buffs! yarp!

Hey all, sry for all the kit refinement users ;(

BUT

The flamethrower is so bloodykitten#8230; ing better right now. I’m sold! Perhaps I_m too tired right now but the last minutes in the lost shore were incredible!

Thank you, thank you for changing FT2 the way so many guys here suggested it! Have to resist to make a threat out of it

GN8 guys

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I’m not sure what’s going on, but I’m only getting a global cooldown between FT and Elixir Gun from what I’ve tried. Tool Kit and Grenade Kit don’t seem to mess with each other.

Well that’s just plain stupid and I take back what I said about not that big of a deal.

Maybe I’ll just take it out of my build and try something else instead. I don’t know if it will be worth slotting when you can only use it at best once per 20s, and that’s if you don’t mess up the Kit swapping you want. I’ll have to see how it works out now.

I keep coming back to flame blast has a secondary detonation ability and all I can care about is that no longer will I have to forlornly watch it roll harmlessly through my enemies and blow up somewhere behind them.

Kit refinement cooldown seems to be shared between all kits—that’ll be annoying to try and manage the secondary effects of the trait on top of the primary effects of the kit since they net you different effects, and I wish they were just each on their own cooldowns—but it looks like they’re bringing kits themselves up so hopefully it won’t be such a pivot point for combat either way.

Edit: Nevermind, missread this. I honestly never noticed Grenade Kit or FT have internal cooldowns on their refinements already, they always set off the moment I switched before. The cooldowns are stacking if you try and use the same kit, but it seems to calculate separately from what’s already there (if you go into FT and wait 10 seconds GB will go off as it should, but if you try and use GB every 10 seconds it won’t work).

They probably should have removed those internal cooldowns if they were gonna add a global one…

(Also Life on Crit stuff was ridiculous on FT but it was never necessary to make it viable. It was nice for needing to bunker down on a certain point but I can’t deny when trying it that if we weren’t having underpower issues it would be too much.)