Guild Wars 2

Munkeytoto.8763:

Been following this thread since launch, coming back for Heart of Thorns because the trailer showed a hammer engi with no sack – praying the specialization removes the need for kits as the only viable build!

…..That Engi didn’t have the hobosack on it’s back because it was using the hammer. …..

Take out your weapon (rifle, pistol/pistol, pistol/shield) and you won’t have a hobosack on your back either. The hobosack only appears when we have a kit equipped. Hammer is not a kit.

Wont let this slip in 2nd page. Bumpity bump waitin for dev reply

I like the “attunement icon” idea, but I will add (for pve at least) increase weapon power for rifle/pistols… gib mah weppinz dat not sux!

Another thought, dyable back items in general. Make hobo sacks follow said dye rules and win.

My Engi has more guns than any Arnold movie, more explosions than most Michael Bay films, more gadgets than MacGyver, chemical warfare, a flame thrower, is a drug addict (dem elixers man), a mortar, and more trench coats than the Matrix trilogy… and a hobosack. Needs fixed -.-

Inimicus.7162:

I like the “attunement icon” idea, but I will add (for pve at least) increase weapon power for rifle/pistols… gib mah weppinz dat not sux!

Another thought, dyable back items in general. Make hobo sacks follow said dye rules and win.

My Engi has more guns than any Arnold movie, more explosions than most Michael Bay films, more gadgets than MacGyver, chemical warfare, a flame thrower, is a drug addict (dem elixers man), a mortar, and more trench coats than the Matrix trilogy… and a hobosack. Needs fixed -.-

+1
-1 hobosack

ColinJohanson.2394, April 13th, 23:22, 2013:

It’s something we’re absolutely aware of and want to address in the future, one of my main characters is an engineer so I feel ya on this one. My poor quaggan backpack is visible like 2% of the time I play as I kit swap, never mind my weapon skins.

We’re currently focusing our engineering (programmers, not guys with net guns) resources that could work on solutions to issues like kits/skins on major systems that address issues higher priority and wider reaching like lag in large battles, LFG, custom arenas, spectator mode and so on but this issue is absolutely on our radar.

As always, please post your ideas of what you’d like to see solution wise, we love to see the fun ideas y’all come up with too!

in the future

this issue is absolutely on our radar

2 years ago.
“In the future”. Ha. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Forget about it. Anet needs money, not a bunch of happy players. They can say it’s not like that, but this organisation only wants money. Capitalism, baby! Drop your hope and drop this game if you don’t want to support such egoistic policy.

Yet another reported Quatlity of Life improvement by another game developer that doesn’t have an Expansion coming out but has enough money to make these improvements.

Anet is getting more money to change up the game and improve it because of the expansion and how it works financially. I’d hate to see them getting showed up by another company for not fixing things like hobosacks.

I just want to be able to toggle the massive ugly hobosack that appears on and off my back in seconds as a switch between weapons and kits.
Is there not a hand-held item that could show enemies what kit we’re using? Or the elementalists attunement icons? Or belts? Or maybe customisable bags?
There are so many solutions, one of them HAS to be easy/doable for arenanet to implement…

-burns hobo sacks-

I’m glad this is getting posted in the HOT forums. I don’t know if it will change what they are planning to do or not do, but as far as I’m concerned you can’t have too many threads about this until it gets fixed.

I would buy a skin for gems to replace this so it matched my armor. The Dirtbag is pretty ugly.

Monk Tank.5897:

I would buy a skin for gems to replace this so it matched my armor. The Dirtbag is pretty ugly.

I don’t want to spend anything to be on par with other profs. I just want it refactored to do not be so much invasive

I’m sure something like this has already been done, but…

I’m sure glad that A-net is spending the 20 minutes or so that it would take to remove the hobosack on making more important additions to the game. Like golden pigs for the gem store……

I also stopped playing my engineer because of the sack.

Seamus McPlatofart.7269:

I’m sure glad that A-net is spending the 20 minutes or so that it would take to remove the hobosack on making more important additions to the game. Like golden pigs for the gem store……

^ /15 times this post

bryony.1576:

I also stopped playing my engineer because of the sack.

Sad
Well if anet think this would not be enought profitable i can tell for sure many will come back to the profession and spend money on skins if this hoboplague is gone

I don’t care anymore…

but can I, pretty please, very pretty, prettiest please, at least keep my legendary glow and footprints??!
I love playing FT/Elixir gun since ever, but the work I spent on Quip is totally wasted. Not even a flower falls by when using them, and that yummy purple glow is gone too, and my confetti steps? Not there either.
I am a very sad Asura.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but does this on the patch notes mean that MESMER PHANTASMS have taken time and resources to ensure they wear the Mesmer’s current back piece?

Phantasm Skills: These skills now correctly show their back items with the phantasm effect.

I don’t know if this is good news that they’re putting attention into back piece visuals, or bad news because it had nothing to do with us.

Adamantium.3682:

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but does this on the patch notes mean that MESMER PHANTASMS have taken time and resources to ensure they wear the Mesmer’s current back piece?

Phantasm Skills: These skills now correctly show their back items with the phantasm effect.

I don’t know if this is good news that they’re putting attention into back piece visuals, or bad news because it had nothing to do with us.

I cinicly vote for the latter .-.

Ba dum…bump

almost 5k views and not a single dev response. and there are posts with less than 500 views and some devs answer almost inmediatly. hmmmmm. Guess we can loose al our hopes again guys. go home.

Eh, odds are that it means nearly nothing for the resolution of Hobosacks – they can’t hide behind some ludicrous balance argument when trying to explain why Mesmer phantasms don’t show the Mesmer’s back items. In fact, they could maybe manage an argument for why they should, if the purpose of phantasms is to confuse the enemy as to which target is the real one.

Meanwhile, they claim there’s a balance concern that warrants keeping a set of (mostly) nearly identical, brown sacks that’re only visible from behind the user, two of which can only be differentiated (without skill use) based on a tiny, tiny wrench (smaller than any weapon I’ve seen) in one hand. The only two that can be differentiated easily, even from behind, are the two that can be identified from in front, as they give a Rifle-sized indicator in the character’s hands. … but this bit was stale two years ago, so I’m not going to keep ranting about it.

Point is, they can pretend there’s a balance concern to Phantasms not having a back item, just like they pretend it matters from a balance standpoint if Kits give Hobosacks.

There’s a general pattern of ‘if people don’t seem happy in a thread, devs don’t talk in it.’
Devs haven’t responded – as far as I am aware – to any threads about the Thief trait Last Refuge, no devs ever responded to the many Broke Scope threads that initially littered the Engineer boards (until somebody posted one to the sPvP boards, whereupon it had to be demonstrated that just because the script looks fine, doesn’t mean it’s working, as pretty much anybody who’s tried writing code should know)…it’s a pretty clear pattern. They’ll usually try not to get into a conversation in a less-than-hyped thread, and if they do appear in one at all, the responses are usually businesslike and/or noncommittal.
‘We do not have the resources right now, but we would really like to do something about the issue,’ being the response seen re: Hobosacks.

…not that this stopped them from making Mesmer Phantasms show back items properly; whether that’s a bugfix or an addition, it sort of jumps out as a ‘well, obviously Mesmers are viewed as more deserving of the resources’ sort of change. Real nice, that. And I really love that they added many more camera options (complete with UI support); it’ll let us get a really good look at the hideous burlap sack-tumors. Surely, that couldn’t have waited two more weeks (if at all) while they fixed a long-standing QoL issue afflicting an entire profession (which is, of course, balanced around the things that bring the issue to light).

Man, it really is too bad that there isn’t a sarcasm font.

The only way that this will ever happen, is if we all pester A-net about it non-stop in every form of media. Everyone should constantly be commenting on it on their youtube videos, Twitch stream, Twitter, anywhere and everywhere that A-net is. Then they will eventually have to give it attention, even if that attention is them flat out telling us “No, we aren’t going to do that.” I would even accept that. I hate the hobosack like poison, but them giving me a straight answer instead of a vague “were looking into it” from a year and a half ago is completely unacceptable.

Ronin.5038:

…..
as ANet continues to make excuses as to why they can’t fix it.

I believe they would have to agree it’s something that is not working as intended before saying they are trying to “fix” it.

I’d like to see any Anet employee quote you can find that implies the feature is broken and can’t be fixed….

Vote of confidence from me, +1
(but I still kind of want the flamethrower backpack, even just as a regular backpiece skin)

Brother Grimm.5176:

Ronin.5038:

…..
as ANet continues to make excuses as to why they can’t fix it.

I believe they would have to agree it’s something that is not working as intended before saying they are trying to “fix” it.

I’d like to see any Anet employee quote you can find that implies the feature is broken and can’t be fixed….

No one is saying that the feature is not working as intended. It’s just that the vast majority of us do not like what was intended.

Anymras.5729:

Eh, odds are that it means nearly nothing for the resolution of Hobosacks – they can’t hide behind some ludicrous balance argument when trying to explain why Mesmer phantasms don’t show the Mesmer’s back items. In fact, they could maybe manage an argument for why they should, if the purpose of phantasms is to confuse the enemy as to which target is the real one.

Meanwhile, they claim there’s a balance concern that warrants keeping a set of (mostly) nearly identical, brown sacks that’re only visible from behind the user, two of which can only be differentiated (without skill use) based on a tiny, tiny wrench (smaller than any weapon I’ve seen) in one hand. The only two that can be differentiated easily, even from behind, are the two that can be identified from in front, as they give a Rifle-sized indicator in the character’s hands. … but this bit was stale two years ago, so I’m not going to keep ranting about it.

Point is, they can pretend there’s a balance concern to Phantasms not having a back item, just like they pretend it matters from a balance standpoint if Kits give Hobosacks.

Except that phantasms are not meant to confuse the enemy, they are meant to do damage. Clones are meant to confuse the enemy.

Nobody is looking at phantasms and thinking it’s a Mesmer.

Yeah, it’s a bad argument. It’s also probably what they’d say if they were asked to justify it.

I just want to reiterate how sad it is that this is at the top of the forums still. Sad engineer is sad. I’ll just keep dreaming of one day being pretty.

never give up brothers, never give up

PlayerTwo.4183:

I just want to reiterate how sad it is that this is at the top of the forums still. Sad engineer is sad. I’ll just keep dreaming of one day being pretty.

Even the oilies and rustiest gear is pretty, when the whole machine works with it!

Ugh, I am angry at myself for being at Rezzed and not asking Gaile about this :/

leviathan.2148:

Ugh, I am angry at myself for being at Rezzed and not asking Gaile about this :/

Holy skritt you were there and didnt ask! Shame on yoi!

Gaaroth.2567:

Holy skritt you were there and didnt ask! Shame on yoi!

I wanted to ask specifically Colin about this, but he wasn’t there, so I didn’t bother :/

periodical bump

Seamus McPlatofart.7269:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Ronin.5038:

…..
as ANet continues to make excuses as to why they can’t fix it.

I believe they would have to agree it’s something that is not working as intended before saying they are trying to “fix” it.

I’d like to see any Anet employee quote you can find that implies the feature is broken and can’t be fixed….

No one is saying that the feature is not working as intended. It’s just that the vast majority of us do not like what was intended.

Use of the term, “fix” implies it’s broken. Again, If Anet Devs have stated this is indeed a “broken” thing in the game, demanding it be fixed “now” is valid. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of players that don’t like the existing theme of a profession (and are asking for it to be changed). I’m all for some option to hide the hideous backpacks, but I also realize I’m asking to change the design of a profession, not fix a game bug.

I’m just asking that the issue be addressed to Devs for what it is, a request for a cosmetic change (or option to change) to a single professions looks. Over-hyping and exaggerating the issue does not make it any more likely to be addressed (it just makes the poster making those claims look kind of silly).

We need to start spamming A-net with the request to get rid of hobosacks on every social media venue. Youtube, twitter, thier twitch stream, everywhere that A-net is. That is the only way we are going to be able to get them to even pay attention to us.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Use of the term, “fix” implies it’s broken. Again, If Anet Devs have stated this is indeed a “broken” thing in the game, demanding it be fixed “now” is valid. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of players that don’t like the existing theme of a profession (and are asking for it to be changed). I’m all for some option to hide the hideous backpacks, but I also realize I’m asking to change the design of a profession, not fix a game bug.

Yes, that is exactly what this is. You are focusing on a few people who misuse the term “fix” in this case. Most of us know that this is a feature that is working as intended. We are just unhappy with what was intended and are asking for it to be changed.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Use of the term, “fix” implies it’s broken…

It is an issue for engineer community that cosmetically handicaps the players that play engi. Hobosacks cover the backpacks and legendary auras. This may be taken as a cosmetic disadvantage for engis. And issues can be FIXED. So the term “fix” is still valid for this situation

No more hobo sacks!

I stopped playing engi mostly due to the sacks. But here is an idea for those still loyal to the engi. If you want to post something, post a funny video of the A-Net devs doing some presentation standing up. Edit on hobosacks to their backs. Make sure to include swapping kits to a different hobosack when they lift their arms or make noticeable gestures.

If the video is funny enough and gets enough views. People who don’t even play gw2 might be wondering: “What is this video about?”. Those people will then learn that this cool looking back piece is from their game.

Good luck engies, and imagine what the devs would look like with hobosacks.

Da dum…..BUMP

#NOSACKS2015

#NOHOBO

Plz fix hobosacks, ppl are throwing money at my engineer because they think he’s poor but he’s only throwing granades

Even John Lennon sung about ’em

“Imagine there’s no hobos…
It’s easy if you try…
No ugly behind us…
Above us only sky…
Imagine all the engis…
Trowin ’nades in peace… you hu uhuuuuu

You might say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one!
I hope some day you’ll join us,
and the world will live as one!"

Uhm..i think i might copyright that

Gaaroth.2567:

Even John Lennon sung about ’em

“Imagine there’s no hobos…
It’s easy if you try…
No ugly behind us…
Above us only sky…
Imagine all the engis…
Trowin ’nades in peace… you hu uhuuuuu

You might say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one!
I hope some day you’ll join us,
and the world will live as one!"

Uhm..i think i might copyright that

This is amazing, lol.

leviathan.2148:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Use of the term, “fix” implies it’s broken…

It is an issue for engineer community that cosmetically handicaps the players that play engi. Hobosacks cover the backpacks and legendary auras. This may be taken as a cosmetic disadvantage for engis. And issues can be FIXED. So the term “fix” is still valid for this situation

Ok….if you are going to start flinging around terms like “cosmetically handicapped…” you have no hope of anyone ever taking you seriously….some Dev just fell out of his chair laughing…..

I get wanting the ugly things changed, but making up PC terms and acting like it’s akin to beating kittens with a golf club is a bit much….

….
Uhm..i think i might copyright that

Yoko would sue your ’sack off….

Anymras.5729:

Ronin.5038:

Remove the Hobosacks. Replace them with an icon, just like the elementalist.

Truthfully, I’m expecting this to become the new 25+ page is complaints about the Hobosack as ANet continues to make excuses as to why they can’t fix it.

They don’t even bother to actually make excuses, though.
They’ve just gone “We don’t have the resources” every single time they respond. First there was Colin, maybe a few months after release, going “We have to get things like spectator mode and custom arenas done first,” among other things that I can’t recall but am pretty sure have been in the game for quite some time, then there was Bill, a few months later, going “We’d like to do something, but we don’t have the resources. Here’s what we’re thinking, though,” and then the thread got ignored for…pretty sure it was a year or more. Then Gaile comes in and says, of course, “We don’t have the resources, but there’s talk of what they’d do about it if they could.”

So, they want to fix it, is the impression I’m getting, but every time they can, they get told to do something else instead. Not that this stopped them from making a Mail Carrier customization option, complete with new UI elements.

I’m not buying the whole “we dont have resources”.

There is still no weapon for Grenade, bomb or med kit. They release new skins on a fairly regular basis, quite often are new weapon skins released. In 2.5 years they couldn’t have found the time to make a weapon representation for these kits?
I know thats not the main issue, but it sure is something that could and should have been done yet wasn’t.

And how much effort could it really have taken to add an extra checkbox that says “Force Show Backslot”. Where the back you have equiped will always have top display priority and prevents it’s visual from being overwriten aslong as a backslot is shown. That’s all people really asked for.

Mea.5491:

Gaaroth.2567:

Even John Lennon sung about ’em

“Imagine there’s no hobos…
It’s easy if you try…
No ugly behind us…
Above us only sky…
Imagine all the engis…
Trowin ’nades in peace… you hu uhuuuuu

You might say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one!
I hope some day you’ll join us,
and the world will live as one!"

Uhm..i think i might copyright that

This is amazing, lol.

Thanks man. It came from the heart

Brother Grimm.5176:

Yoko would sue your ’sack off….

yoko is always a pain the skritt…