Guild Wars 2

mischwoof.9785:

I’ve just posted my first pvp video! :> Just a fair warning: it’s more silliness than a build showcase, but I still think it shows a couple things well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfO5s9pi0c

That… video… was… the… GREATEST VIDEO OF ALL TIME! You… are amazing.

Dude, awesome video. I just made my engineer and was thinking of going with a tank build so I’m totally going to use this build. Charr engineers are awesome! Mine is called Nascharr =)

OMG. That video was awesome. Favorite part …

TINY D … ohhh

You’re one funny cat.

I kept waiting for a GIANT dunk with the buff from toss elixir s :P. I enjoyed the video quite a bit, a lot of fun!

Out of curiosity, does anyone know (I’m assuming there is one) what the recharge time on hidden flask is? Or does it just happen every single time you drop below 75% ?

Excellent vid. I was greatly amused.

With all the blocking that you do, do you think that 6 runes of the guardian would give you a second retaliation-like ability?

Thanks for all of the kind words guys :> More soon to come! Already got some good clips today.

Manticore Five.9867:

With all the blocking that you do, do you think that 6 runes of the guardian would give you a second retaliation-like ability?

I’ve been eyeing this rune for a bit; It’s something i’m definitely interested in trying. Unfortunately they’re 2.5 gold each on the TP, and Medicat is a coupon clipping cheapskate. I do think i’ll give this a try in sPvP sometime though!

Let us know how it works out! =)

Misch you are hilarious. Thanks for this awesome build. I’ve incorporated it into some sPVP and tPVP builds (great for point holding/denial), but after seeing your video, I think I’ll be trying out some WvW!

What modifications would you make to this build to make it more pve friendly?

tigirius.9014:

What modifications would you make to this build to make it more pve friendly?

Hmmmmm. This is a tough one. Since this is a more pvp-focused build, and since survivability is a bit moot in levelling, i think it’d be more beneficial to pick up a grenade/rifle or bomb spec.

I personally respec to lightning burst grenade build for dungeon runs and other pve stuff.

If you really want it adapted for PvE though, I would try maybe replacing Elixir B with Elixir U, and Elixir S with Bomb kit. After that i think i’d drop some points into explosives for Steel-Packed powder, and go to town dropping bombs. You could magnetic shield in fire bomb for some might stacks, and you’d still be pretty tanky with your two blocks and Self-Regulating Defenses.

I suppose this isn’t a dungeon – run type of build?

tigirius.9014:

What modifications would you make to this build to make it more pve friendly?

Funny you should ask that. I’ve been fiddling around with it for this very reason. The latest iteration is:

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/pve-wvw-toolkit-tank-tank-wvw-pve-9032.html

As stated above, you do not normally want survivability over damage in PvE. I exchanged some of the defensive traits for offensive traits, and you’d be surprised how hard Toolkit 1(#3) and Toolkit 3 hit. It’s not the sort of build I’d take to dungeons or fractal instances (I tried and felt extremely unhelpful to my group). However! It’s GREAT if you want to do a tour of Southsun Cove to gather resources or farm for mats. Those karka hit like trucks, but you can reflect their Evil Spines of Death right back at them with shield 4 and block some of the rest of their big hits.

Ah. Pity. I suppose I’ll just stick to my guardian.
But you do seem to have the right idea on Retaliation Tanking.
It makes me re-evaluate the Guardian World v World gameplay.

This isn’t a dungeon build, no but the same trait-point allocation (0/0/20/30/20) also makes a very useful and flexible dungeon support/control build.

The downside of such a build is that you’ll usually be slotting 1 or 2 subpar traits when you want to focus on one task (control, condition removal, general healing, survivability). The upside is that you can create a strong setup for any of those tasks or generalized support.

Tried out the build with 4/6 pieces, without retraiting (build is at 30/0/0/30/10), using the same utility skills and rifle with young karkas. Couple of times mistimed the blocking so I still got hit by the needle things, another time forgetting to pop retaliation. Nevertheless, I was close to being downed, but I still managed to survive. Even without full toughness I can still tank things :’D

Damage output is not what I’m used to with me either throwing grenades at range or just running in there dropping bombs and having my arm fall off, but this is definitely going to be great for WvW attempted suicide runs that I tend to do so often haha.

Thanks for this thread and build! I just rerolled an engineer (I’ve rolled 3 previous) and started testing this build in SPvP, and for the first time in a MMO, I’m actually enjoying PvP.

Townopolis.3607:

This isn’t a dungeon build, no but the same trait-point allocation (0/0/20/30/20) also makes a very useful and flexible dungeon support/control build.

The downside of such a build is that you’ll usually be slotting 1 or 2 subpar traits when you want to focus on one task (control, condition removal, general healing, survivability). The upside is that you can create a strong setup for any of those tasks or generalized support.

Would you kindly link your build? I usually run dps, and I’m interested to see what other engineers are using in support roles in dungeon/fractal groups.

Istarien.3147:

Would you kindly link your build? I usually run dps, and I’m interested to see what other engineers are using in support roles in dungeon/fractal groups.

As mentioned, the strength I find in the “build” is that it can be altered mid-dungeon to become a different type of support; it’s very reactionary.

[Edit]: Clicking on the links will give a bad link message. Try copy-pasting them.

If I’m expecting heavy conditions, I might go full condition removal.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQJAqelspqbHwShF17IxIFfuzhUYfDL6Rlp8jB;TsAgzCmoOyck4I7RujkHN24sxsBA

If I want more control against a large group, I might take this setup.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQJAqelIq6Z38ShF17IxIFdmzhUYfDL6RlzvlB;TsAgzCmoOyck4I7RujkHN24sxsBA

I can also Kite one or two mobs (usually unshakable melee) pretty well, if that will be key to a fight.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQFAUl0picnrShF87IxIFdW0hUYfBL6Rl1f+B;TsAgzCmoOyck4I7RujkHN24sxsBA

Finally, I can do pretty well if I’m just looking to, for whatever reason, survive at any cost.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQJAqel0pqbnvShF17IxIFd+zhUgfDL6Rl1f+B;TsAgzCmoOyck4I7RujkHN24sxsBA

[Edit]: You may notice that some of those setups involve a lot of changes from one to the other. I tried to present the most extreme and focused possibilities.The reality is that I’ll often leave my traits configured for the most common or most demanding part of a dungeon and then just adjust my skillbar for the other bits. It’s only when my group gets to a particularly problematic fight that I go all-out.

Great build and outstanding video. I have a few questions about the solo build…

How important is self-regulating defenses? I was thinking fast-acting elixirs might work well there because it will increase your up time on elixir B and Elixir S. Alternatively you could fit backpack regenerator into tier 2, which would synergize incredibly well with your build

How important is the rune set up? have you considered other defensive runes?

Thanks!

I can’t wait to see a group PVP video that includes Elixir U and a few TURBODUNKs. That’s going to happen RIGHT NISHA?

=)

Does anyone else find it odd that this build directly does nothing for condition damage? or are the other professions like this? My thief isn’t like this I use a modified unicorn build for pve and the bleeds are actually enhanced. weird i guess.

Tiny dunk!

I want to see some large dunks!

mischwoof.9785:

I’ve just posted my first pvp video! :> Just a fair warning: it’s more silliness than a build showcase, but I still think it shows a couple things well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfO5s9pi0c

LMSO!!! that was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time! OMG

I loved the Final Fantasy Style interludes LOL!

Hey dood,

very interesting build.
I’ve started an engi some days ago and now trying to hit a PvE / PvP build and this is by far the best build I’ve seen in here. I love being some kind of tanky bruiser who wrecks havoc among the enemies. VERY good build! I wanna post my changes and ask about ur opinions.

This build is for PvE as well as for PvP (though I’m playing elixir gun only for PvE purpose. Could swap it for elixir s or c).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcIQJAqel0picX3SdF1LJxIFdW0hUYfDDSR9BsoC5H

I like to deal some dmg on my own and that’s why I packed firearms into my build. Dealing DMG while getting swiftness all time will help for escaping and chasing down peeps. I kinda like raising crit chance with firearms, while crit dmg is raised as well by tools anyways, I kinde feel that a mixture of both is a very good way to go.
This build is more aggressive and more viable in PvE in my opinion, it just lacks a little bit of heavy condition removing skills, but I think it’s better to deal more dmg while still soaking up a lot. Precise Sights will increase ur overall dmg as well as for ur team.

What do u guys think of it?

I dunno if Elixir Gun is viable in PvP playing with this build. Or do u really need Elixir S THIS much? Gun does have a lot of supporting abilities…hmmm…

EDIT:

The + 200 added to condition DMG in Firearms also raise confusion dmg.

Just to let you know, some Thief on IoJ last night was complaining about getting owned by a TANKCAT build. I asked if they were Tiny Dunked! but that was a negative. Ah well, can’t have too much awesome at once, apparently.

I’m running a Prybar build on IoJ. Did a ton of WvW last night and stomped a fair number of thieves. I wonder if that was me.

Nah. I’m on IoJ and it was one of our Thiefs complaining. But rock on, good sir. May your prybar always land squarely on your enemy’s face.

Semper Fidelis Pry Bar

Great video!

I’m not sure how much actual impact on a WvW game this build can really have though. It really relies on you being focused. If there was room for the bomb kit, then we could see some real havoc.

KirinDave.6451:

Great video!

I’m not sure how much actual impact on a WvW game this build can really have though. It really relies on you being focused. If there was room for the bomb kit, then we could see some real havoc.

Well, you could conceivably replace Elixir S/U with Bomb kit. Sure there’s a trade off but it could add a fun dynamic to the build. In fact, I may give this a go in a sPvP hot join match this week.

Liquid.9672:

KirinDave.6451:

Great video!

I’m not sure how much actual impact on a WvW game this build can really have though. It really relies on you being focused. If there was room for the bomb kit, then we could see some real havoc.

Well, you could conceivably replace Elixir S/U with Bomb kit. Sure there’s a trade off but it could add a fun dynamic to the build. In fact, I may give this a go in a sPvP hot join match this week.

The sheer awesomeness of having Big Ol’ Bomb, Bomb 4 and Bomb 5 really do beg for someone to try. I’m surprised there are Engineers left in sPvP though!

lol thanks for this build. I tried this in SPvP yesterday, and wow is it tons of fun.

I still need practice on this build, but after a few matches, I found that all of a sudden more and more of the other team started to hunt me down or focus on me. It’s a compliment.

http://www.customink.com/designs/prybar/jpw0-000s-q4wg/hotlink?pc=HL-76684&cm_mmc=hotlink-_-3-_-Body_txt-_-button1

I want to make a design from scratch in Adobe Illustrator, but until then—enjoy this.

Using a modified version of this for pve.

This is the build

I just spent an hour in Orr and hardly anything there can kill me now. Killing vets without blinking and most of the things on land have a terrible time trying to keep me from doing my heals. I wouldn’t suggest going underwater tho there’s an issue with the kits spell effects going off underwater when equipped.

great, but interesting to see u in spvp!)

That is a AMAZING build, I will try this out for sure.

Wouldn’t you be even more tanky-cat if you dropped maybe Cloaking Device for Protective Shield and maybe exchange 409 or Self-regulating defenses for Protection Injection? It seems these traits will trigger more because one is on crit, (20sec cooldown) and the last one, it triggers on whenever you are disabled whenever you are disabled (5sec cooldown).
It would really well synergise with your traits because of 30% boon duration from alchemy tree. Combine this with Superior rune of the Earth (20% Protection duration AND 25% chance to trigger protection for 4sec and gain magnetic aura if below 20% health, which is basically a Shield#4) or Superior rune of the Forge(+20% Protection duration and 10sec protection if 50% health).

With your very high armor and protection which reduce incoming damage by 33% which triggers very often + all your other survivability&utility skills + all shield skills…

I’m of course theorycrafting a little bit :P What do you think?

Tried it in McM, love it.

Prybar faces !

Thx for sharing

I play sPvP.

Changed my engineer to this build to try it out.

The prybar confusion does not seem all that powerful in sPvP for me. I pop Elixir B and have my retaliation and hit with the prybar and wait for them to destroy themselves, as you say. But it does not seem to happen.

I see warriors hitting themselves for 215 points with my confusion. Takes a lot of those to whittle away 28000 hit points.

FOUND THE PROBLEM

From the Guild Wars Wiki:

“Confusion deals different damage in PvE/WvWvW than in sPvP.

In PvE and WvWvW, its damage is given by:

10 + (1.5 * Level) + (0.15 * Condition Damage) per stack per skill use

In sPvP, its damage is half as much, or:

65 + (0.075 * Condition Damage) per stack per skill use"

This build is awesome thank you very much for sharing, it makes playing my engi alot more enjoyable.

Laserbolt.6731:

I play sPvP.

Changed my engineer to this build to try it out.

The prybar confusion does not seem all that powerful in sPvP for me. I pop Elixir B and have my retaliation and hit with the prybar and wait for them to destroy themselves, as you say. But it does not seem to happen.

I see warriors hitting themselves for 215 points with my confusion. Takes a lot of those to whittle away 28000 hit points.

FOUND THE PROBLEM

From the Guild Wars Wiki:

“Confusion deals different damage in PvE/WvWvW than in sPvP.

In PvE and WvWvW, its damage is given by:

10 + (1.5 * Level) + (0.15 * Condition Damage) per stack per skill use

In sPvP, its damage is half as much, or:

65 + (0.075 * Condition Damage) per stack per skill use"

This explains why the build felt pretty lackluster when I played it in sPvP last night, in addition to my being not very good at playing it yet. I bought the Soldiers rares off the TP last night, and I just need to craft a pistol and buy a shield now, in addition to the runes. I think I’m gonna go with Earth. Man runes are so darn expensive!

how do you deal with someone that knows how to get you out of your blocks? [fears/pulls from necros,warriors,other toolkit engis and mesmers]

Hey all! I added a new video for some group wvwvw goodness.

Next video will cover sPvP.

Petezahut.3068:

how do you deal with someone that knows how to get you out of your blocks? [fears/pulls from necros,warriors,other toolkit engis and mesmers]

It’s not too big of an issue. If i’m blocking, it’s because i’m absorbing burst. If they use an interrupt, they either cancelled their burst or I blocked it, so either way it fulfilled it’s purpose. If I mess up and they interrupt my shield AND their burst is still up, i’ll just use my other block. If they’re both down, and the enemy starts using burst skills, I usually panic and start rolling around or Elixir S, if it’s up.

mischwoof.9785:

Hey all! I added a new video for some group wvwvw goodness.

Just FYI, Youtube Germany is blocking the video because “it possibly contains music violating GEMA rights” (a dreaded organization that enforces licensing payments for music in Germany). I guess I need to use my VPN tunnel to watch the vid…

Regarding blocking:

It’s not too big of an issue. If i’m blocking, it’s because i’m absorbing burst.

Dumb question: how do you know WHEN they are going to use their burst skills? Do you pop it when your health starts dropping? It seems I am often wasting my cooldowns too early.

MorningLightMountain.4518:

Dumb question: how do you know WHEN they are going to use their burst skills? Do you pop it when your health starts dropping? It seems I am often wasting my cooldowns too early.

That’s the difficult part, but ussualy they use burst when they get to their distance.

Or another question to u. When do would use your burst while playing other classes? Some bursts used on below 50% health, some depended on the range.

MorningLightMountain.4518:

mischwoof.9785:

Hey all! I added a new video for some group wvwvw goodness.

Just FYI, Youtube Germany is blocking the video because “it possibly contains music violating GEMA rights” (a dreaded organization that enforces licensing payments for music in Germany). I guess I need to use my VPN tunnel to watch the vid…

Regarding blocking:

It’s not too big of an issue. If i’m blocking, it’s because i’m absorbing burst.

Dumb question: how do you know WHEN they are going to use their burst skills? Do you pop it when your health starts dropping? It seems I am often wasting my cooldowns too early.

Oh geez. GEMA is absurd.

For warriors, rangers, and thieves, when I see them pop quickness, that’s the time to reflect/block. A thief that cloaks and daggers me and is going in for the backstab is a good time to block also, as well as daggerstorm. For other classes, and for multiple people on you, it’s best to use your judgement. If you see large crits, a lot of incoming damage, or dozens of spell effects going into your character, that’s the time to block.

Hvaran.6327:

When do would use your burst while playing other classes? Some bursts used on below 50% health, some depended on the range.

Most people tend to blow their burst all at once whenever they initiate, to try and establish a huge advantage in their favor. I call these people sheep, and they are delicious.

Smart players will sit on their cooldowns and blow them when you’ve exhausted your defensive skills/ dodges. This is the kind of player you have to play a mental battle with.

I personally assume that if a player i’m attacking dodges twice, then they’re spent, and it’s a good time to try and land some burst.

So I finally got the gear and runes together to run this in WvW last night, and while it was a fairly major culture shock, I did have some fun with it. Here are my comments and thoughts so far …

So I decided to run a slightly different build, with Bomb Kit instead of Elixir S. My though here was to have more close quarters damage output as well as yet another way to add Confusion stacks via the #3 Concussion Bomb. Here is how I set the build …

(copy and paste into a browser window) http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqel0pSXH5ynF1LJxIFdW0hUgfDLSRlh8nCyF

One of my first encounters was against an Elementalist. The fight went on for awhile, and ended in the Ele running away from me. My second encounter was a Thief (mwhahaha). The player running away from me happened a lot faster this time, but the result was the same. No loot bag, the Thief not as his waypoint and me standing there alone and lonely.

I found this to be common in 1v1 situations. Players running away from me and my having a hard time killing them before they could get away. I guess I need to get better at using my Magnet and Cripple skills. Still, my biggest frustration with the build was the lack of damage output, even with the Bomb kit.

Also, now I know how a Guardian feels during a tower siege. Actually, a Guardian is more useful. I dropped my own Flame Ram just so I could guarantee that I could control it and contribute in some way. I did manage to Magnet a Ranger off the wall though.

I think I need more time with the build and playstyle before I can say if it’s for me or not. But I think the lack of damage unless I’m being focused could be the deal breaker for me. It’s also possible that I’m simply not good enough at PvP to run this build effectively hehe.

Petezahut.3068:

how do you deal with someone that knows how to get you out of your blocks? [fears/pulls from necros,warriors,other toolkit engis and mesmers]

The counter to the solo variant this build is someone who is better than you and is a condition build.

micshwoof is good enough that in WvW he seldom encounters people who are both better and understand what he’s doing in time to counter it. That’s what makes WvW so much fun! Even bad builds can surprise you to an extent that you lose.

Cleaning formula 409 traited (X in Alchemy line), 2 elixirs slotted and two in your tool belt make conditions not that much of an issue. Especially if you also have automated response traited (XII in Alchemy line) your only deaths should come from being completely outnumbered…or death to falling…as we’ve witnessed in Tankcat’s video, far too many good soldiers are lost this way.

I show cased your build in my weekly show, if that’s alright