Engineer
Engineer kits now inherit the bonuses from currently equipped weapon sigils.
“Grenade” skill now does 30% less damage to balance against using sigils.
Grenade kit damage is now equal in PvP and PvE.
Flash grenades and poison grenades now do damage when they explode.
Elixir Gun—Super Elixir: Reverted the pulse healing effect to its previous intended state. Updated skill facts for this skill’s underwater version.
Timed Charge: This skill no longer does bleeding, but applies a three second burn.
Retreating Grapple: This skill now causes three stacks of bleed for six seconds.
Homing Torpedo: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Grappling Line: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Timed Charge: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Net Wall: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Power Shoes: Increased move speed to 25%.
Always Prepared: Now also increases downed damage by 25%.
HGH: Drinking an elixir now grants two stacks of might instead of one.
Sitting Duck: Instead of 5% damage, now applies five stacks of vulnerability for eight seconds.
Shrapnel: Increased bleed chance from 6% to 15%.
There you go everyone! Looking awesome If you ask me! So much going with a HGH Might stack grenade build now!
Heh, I am kinda afraid of them doing that now!
They will probally cut grenade damage by 50% to compensate.
I mean since EVERY sigil there is adds more damage they obviously had to nerf nades to compensate, not like there are utility/health sigils out there.
Are grenades really that powerful!? They’ve been nerfed twice now.
Were our other kits SO weak that they did not also require a damage reduction to compensate for Sigils?
Hey, at least Kit effects scale with gear – as somebody who used to use Turrets just about exclusively, the difference is massive. And now they have Sigils, to make them further more useful than Turrets.
I wish I could be more enthused about this patch, but the best I can manage is an “About time.”
Edit: As for the people commenting on Grenade’s damage being nerfed to balance against kits – Grenade drops multiple attacks at a time, giving it more chances to trigger a Sigil or more attacks that will benefit from said Sigil. Without Grenadier, it still has greater range than an Engineer’s Rifle or Pistol, and with Grenadier, it has the same range as a Mortar traited with Rifled Turret Barrels. I don’t know if that makes the damage reduction necessary, but it’s what I can see as possibly being the explanation.
…Are grenades really that powerful!? They’ve been nerfed twice now.
Were our other kits SO weak that they did not also require a damage reduction to compensate for Sigils?
Yes and yes.
My turret is so much better at this game than I am.
so out of the list i see maybe 1…2, nope 0 things that could make an impact except the very very very noticeable loss in damage for my Wvw set up. this is also my pve set up so..
As quick as the Valkyries ride,
As true as Odin’s spear flies,
There is nowhere to hide.
Power Shoes is useless for a bunker, Speedy Kits is better (a bunker probably is using at least 1 kit).
For a damage dealer with some toughness, I suppose taking Power Shoes could be better instead of taking Infused Precision. A damage-dealer with at least 1 kit is still better served with Speedy Kits.
Engineer
Power Shoes: Increased move speed to 25%.
The speedbuff is very welcome, but the conditional “in combat” makes this pretty useless.
Every other class got the 25% implented way better!
True, but this trait makes our combat speed 285, almost negating combat speed entirely. This means all we need to sacrifice is a trait, rather than use another utility slot.
So for taking a superior sigill which gives +5% damage I loose 30% damage on grenade´s main attack to “balance” things again?
And whooping 2 stacks on HGH which is not in a damage-trait-line and in my opinion a very bad designed (wasting defensive elexirs for an offensive boon) trait anyways?
Look at thieves and warriors: more damage, more combo finishers, . .
Probably better those kittenfaces didn´t add weapon-stats already or we would be in for a bigger nerf.
Unless you’re living in PvE or PvWall’ing, grenades really weren’t that good to begin with, but yes the 30% reduction is overkill, you now do +9% damage than grenades without Grenadier trait before patch. HGH buff is appreciated, sigils finally working as intended, and all the other buffs(yes I know several are bugged) also appreciated.
Although I do feel that most other healing skills should of been brought up to the power of Super Elixer instead of reverting it back, skills like it would make support actually feel like support.
Kill sigils applied a buff to your character, but you needed to kill them with your sigil’d weapon to apply them. It was kind of my go-to sigil for Engineers just because nothing else really… well, worked. I might have to change it now, but maybe not; they’re still friggin’ good.
You where living under a rock if you didn’t see the grenade nerf coming. Seriously. I never got too attached to it because I knew it had “balance me” written all over it as soon as I started clearing entire areas with my auto-attack.
Overall, from an Engineer perspective, I’m quite happy with this update.
I’m actually not that hearth broken about the grenade 30% nerf, and I have allways been using them in WvsW and tbh, they were out of line. That said, with a HGH might stacking build, the new sharpel and probably the sigel with 30% chance for giving bleed on crit (Since there all ways come 3 grenades) I’m quite sure I will still manage to do just fine when I defend a keep with my beloved grenade kit! and I didn’t use grenade skill 1 much beside these situations! it’s still gonna be quite the nasty AoE kit
Tweaking don’t equal nerfing dude, and I have yet to see any reports about “numbers” as you mention? Would you please stop being such a doomsayer, when the only thing as it stands in the patch notes and I have been able to see while toying around in game is what stand in the notes? It’s really typical the Engineer forums that everyone goes nut’s and yell end of the world when a nerf hit us
You where living under a rock if you didn’t see the grenade nerf coming. Seriously. I never got too attached to it because I knew it had “balance me” written all over it as soon as I started clearing entire areas with my auto-attack.
Sorry for expecting them to do the logical thing, which would’ve been nerfing the Grenadier trait, which is so powerful it just makes the idea of balancing the kit stupid. Now grenade kits is pretty much worthless if you’re not traited up to grenadier, yet is arguably still overly powerful in some areas (vulnerability stacking, maybe bleed stacking now too) when you do have Grenadier.
To be honest i don’t really mind the grenade nerf that much, even if I think they did it the completely wrong way. Using them was pretty stressful without any kind of auto-attack. Now they don’t have the damage edge to justify going through the annoyance of using them.
HGH – only works with drinking elixirs, not with the thrown elixirs , do you guys think it is intentional? Notes said “drinking” so it was that specific, but still XD. I understand that getting it to work with all elixirs may be too much, but I was hoping for it anyway.
Edit: As for the people commenting on Grenade’s damage being nerfed to balance against kits – Grenade drops multiple attacks at a time, giving it more chances to trigger a Sigil or more attacks that will benefit from said Sigil. Without Grenadier, it still has greater range than an Engineer’s Rifle or Pistol, and with Grenadier, it has the same range as a Mortar traited with Rifled Turret Barrels. I don’t know if that makes the damage reduction necessary, but it’s what I can see as possibly being the explanation.
The issue with this explanation is that it’s not grenades being too good, it’s everything else being nonsensically bad.
HGH – only works with drinking elixirs, not with the thrown elixirs , do you guys think it is intentional? Notes said “drinking” so it was that specific, but still XD. I understand that getting it to work with all elixirs may be too much, but I was hoping for it anyway.
HGH – only works with drinking elixirs, not with the thrown elixirs , do you guys think it is intentional? Notes said “drinking” so it was that specific, but still XD. I understand that getting it to work with all elixirs may be too much, but I was hoping for it anyway.
No it works with thrown elixirs aswell m8!
he means the x2.
Self use elixirs give x2might. Thrown give 1 stack of might.
(note self use elixir B is 3 stacks now, while thrown elixir B is 1 or 2 based on the random boon)
Tweaking don’t equal nerfing dude, and I have yet to see any reports about “numbers” as you mention? Would you please stop being such a doomsayer, when the only thing as it stands in the patch notes and I have been able to see while toying around in game is what stand in the notes? It’s really typical the Engineer forums that everyone goes nut’s and yell end of the world when a nerf hit us
Engineer Kit Sigils.
The Engineer now benefits from the sigils on their weapons when they swap to a kit. So, this means that you will have the ability to get sigil procs on your Flame Thrower, or Grenade Kit, etc. This means we had to tone down some of the kits accordingly, the biggest of which was the Grenade kit.
Does anyone have an example (video, etc) of an over powered grenadier from before the update(s)?
I didn’t make any videos of it but elixer gun/grenadier/elixer r/supply drop was pretty op
With toss elixer r you could self res from downed almost instantly with proper prep (still can), grenadier gave you an edge over thieves and with good use of rifle 2/drop/rifle 4 made cloak silly looking, the proper use of supply drop (as a fast interrupt/stun) gave you some great finishing with low health foes, elixer 4 got you out of a jam (which for some reason is better than rocket boots. vOv) and with kit refinement gave you a condition clear usable while feared/stunned/etc. With elixer 5+f3+kit refinement elixer 5+backpack regenerator you could outtank two non-superior arrow carts with minimal +healing, elixer R’s use is still great for obvious reasons
I’m not really sure what I’ll do now, but for now the same setup works fine, it’s just weaker. I can’t win 1v3’s anymore and thieves aren’t instantly boned when they see me— they definitely have the edge in that matchup now.
I’ve tried other builds but they all seem to still be weaker than this, even post patch, which is a real bummer. I still feel absolutely locked into my setup for lack of options, but I have greatly diminished utility.
Does anyone have an example (video, etc) of an over powered grenadier from before the update(s)?
I’ve tried other builds but they all seem to still be weaker than this, even post patch, which is a real bummer. I still feel absolutely locked into my setup for lack of options, but I have greatly diminished utility.
That’s what gets me if they’d stop trying to pull the bs wool over our eyes with that versatility nonsense and actually play the class, they’d see what most of us go thru. It’s not versatile when you keep taking away the very things that make this class great.
Tweaking don’t equal nerfing dude, and I have yet to see any reports about “numbers” as you mention? Would you please stop being such a doomsayer, when the only thing as it stands in the patch notes and I have been able to see while toying around in game is what stand in the notes? It’s really typical the Engineer forums that everyone goes nut’s and yell end of the world when a nerf hit us
Engineer Kit Sigils.
The Engineer now benefits from the sigils on their weapons when they swap to a kit. So, this means that you will have the ability to get sigil procs on your Flame Thrower, or Grenade Kit, etc. This means we had to tone down some of the kits accordingly, the biggest of which was the Grenade kit.
My tooltip damage fully buffed for “Grenade” went from 462 to 301. Very frustrating……..
That’s annoying. If that’s true, its a 35% decrease not 30%.
462-301 = 161
462*.35 = 161.7
I think what they were hoping for was that the miniscule damage they added to the blind/poison initial hit (which doesn’t do anything near what a similarly equipped necro does btw STILL) would make the difference. It doesn’t I’m still throwing about 30 grenades at level 80 mobs it’s just now two of those sets become CC and cond damage ones.
They seriously need to hire on a prior military munitions officer to help with this class because the people they have working on this class now have no clue what these abilities would do in comparison to the melee weapons of the time. And what specifically I’m speaking about is the diameter of the explosive radius, the blastback affects that ALL bombs should have, the radius of the elixirs explosive area when grenades are set to heal, the damage that a napalm explosion should do initially and then afterword (a secondary nontraited burn affect, chemical burns), the damage chemical weapons such as acid and fumigation gases do. All those things a munitions officer could answer.
Please Powers-that-be Please for the love of Dwayna hire a prior military munitions officer to help with these calculations! to help balance and fix this class!
Yea Ele conjured weapons now benefit from it but dmg is same. But being the King of versatility you get some perks like no dmg nerf for that versatility. Eng is just for fool of the versatility court and gets nerfed.
Why the hell did they change Super Elixir S? Seems pathetic on the pulse heal even with all healing+ gear. I loved my build for dungeon runs in CoF and TA as well as supporting in WvW occasionally, but now it feels worthless. I’ll give it a try or two in a dungeon, but probably will be hopping back onto my mesmer >.>
it’s still gonna be quite the nasty AoE kit