Guild Wars 2

For pve, wvw, or pvp. Looking to roll one of them because I like heavy armor, and greatswords.

Also just stirring the pot lol.

For long term hard to say, but for current state yes.
However Guardian has always been the most balanced/reliable class among all classes since launch and most likely it will be the same in the future.

Guardian is the most balanced class among all classes.
Warrior is the most imbalanced class among all classes.

Guardians hardly ever get buffed, they remain mostly unchanged patch after patch.
Warriors only ever get buffed, they simply become more broken patch after patch.

There are a couple players here who main Guardians but have given the Warrior spin. Maybe they will stop by and give you their feedback but from what I recall one I put in high regard likes the state of the Warrior.

I have to agree with Rabbit and Turtle though in that our class, Guardian, is pretty much balanced. We may not agree or like it, but it is one of the most, if not only, class that is this way. If they spent some time looking at our health pool and condition damage (giving and receiving) it would go a long ways I think. I think we give up the most to go DPS or Support with no middle ground. This is, of course, coming from a WvW perspective.

Solo most classes can reset the fight. Larger groups you get bypassed via the freight train we call assist and they mow down your partners. Lack of mobility or speed to disengage. While I’m not a fan of CC in the game, that is what I feel we need more of or shorter cool downs on what we have (I’ll even trait for it). Deny accessibility is huge or forcing enemy to change directions is key to prevent people from bypassing us. I mean think about it.

Why beat on a brick wall when you can just go around or over and hit the softie…

Guard has always been my main, but I also have two level 80 Warriors and a plethora of tpvp matches played on them. For the most part, yes Warrior is better then Guard in the current meta. Like everyone else said, Guard is the most balanced class by far. Warrior on the other hand is on the other end of the spectrum. Guards do bring much better support though.

Warrior or Guard, they are both viable. Just depends on how you want to play.

Guardians and Warriors are both absolutely awesome in all aspects in the game. Guards are better in PvE and Wars are better in sPvP, but they’re both solid contenders in both PvE and PvP.

In 1v1, Warriors are definitely superior. This is mostly due to Healing Signet + Adrenal healing and the sheer damage output of weapons like LB and Greatsword when run with damage gear. Their ability to CC is also far above ours with certain weapons.

In group play, depending on group sizes, Warriors and Guardians both have something to offer in terms of boons, condition removal, CC (mostly Warriors), and the niches that their Elite skills fill — namely Tome of Courage and Warbanner.

In PvE, Warrior is the obvious winner in the way the PvE meta works. Max DPS. If you had to make a list of pros and cons, Warriors have more pros and probably slightly fewer cons.

Excuse me?
The OP wants a greatsword.
Well, warrior and guardian are both required in PvE content. Both are extremely desired. Warriors may do more damage, but without guardian downed warriors aren’t doing much.
If we are talking about WvW, it really depends. Warrior is probably weaker 1v1(with Greatsword that is), but is generally more mobile and hence is a very good choice for roaming(Guardian is probably stronger in actual combat, but he won’t be able to escape in most cases -.-). In zerg, Guardian should be more beneficial. For soloing camps/bosses/whatever, it’s actually quite easy with both warrior and guardian.
sPvP both classes are awesome… BUUUUT Greatsword Warrior is kind of funny versus skilled opponents, while Greatsword Guardian is actually pretty freaking good.
Oh, and I have both Warrior and a Guardian.

i have two guardians and one elementalist 80 , i will never roll a warrior something drives me to delete them every time i try them.
although they are good choice to troll other warriors at spvp

People expect warriors to be higher dps than Guardians since Guardians have more of a defensive flavor in their boons and utility skills, but their dps is actually about the same when both are running min/maxed builds.

A lot of people also tend to think that warrior dps is higher since Hundred Blades pops up a large number as a result of being a long channeled skill. =P

I have two 80 Guards and two 80 Warriors. The warriors are more fun and easier to play, for sure. Guardian is a little hard to love these days, but I still main it over the warrior. They play very differently, and Guardian scratches an itch Warriors don’t. So meh. Not very helpful, I know.

If you like defensive, reactive play then Guardians are good for you. If you prefer more proactive offensive play then you’ll probably prefer Warrior. The way that Guardians can deal with condition cleansing is more entertaining. The way that Warriors can stack up offensive buffs and beat the tar out of things is more entertaining. Guardian bursts can be hard to set up. Warriors have an actual class mechanic called Burst. Yadda yadda.

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

At baseline the warrior is a lot better than the Guardian. Traits/weapon combos/player make the Guardian better or even worse. But at baseline, the warrior is better.

I’ve got 1500 hours logged on my main Guardian about about 100 on my Warrior. The main differences is that the Warrior is individual oriented and has little, but strong, offensive support for his group. The Guardian however is team/group oriented and has an enormous amount of (strong) group support at his side.

When fighting solo and without group support, the Warrior outmatches the Guardian. However, when fighting in group the Guardian has almost no equal.

Do you like to simply smash faces in without needing much further thought? Pick a Warrior. Do you like to smash faces in while tossing buffs and setting up reflection walls, choose the Guardian.

1,346hours in guardian, 201hours warrior with a total hours played 2,449.

Guardian stable only better players have bested me when I have pvped. in pve hammer is best sword/sword gs is next for max dps. my hammer build http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJASGlYgrC53hPkCJXQ9h4BThG5RXPoIMkhA-TkAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNKA
third skill can be reflect or Aoe cleanse stats could be celestial for more everything and you can change fiery wrath for binding Jep.
if your getting downed as a guardian your not doing a very good job at playing the game

now for warrior I like condi dmg for pvp bleeding/fire and for pve is standred greatsword and axe/mace. pve dmg is easily obtained with this class and has a large health pool even in full zerker. again right now high pve dmg pvp you don’t see many other then stun lock build just like in gw1.

never fear of dying go guardian your dmg isn’t gonna be great beyond gs spin in high level content some videos on it and everyone loves your buffs.

warrior your a greatsword that deals dmg you’ll probably get downed more times then a guardian.

I’d love to play my alts but anet doesn’t like that. I’d like to play other classes in dungeons but hammer guardian makes dungeons a breeze. if they do a big patch with like new weapon skills/types and traits and utilities i’d probably swap out from being a guardian because one I’ve played it for to long and its boring.

I am new to guardian but not on Warrior but i have other 80’s also. Guardian and Warrior aren’t even close to the same besides heavy armor and can frontline.

IMO they are more different then alike so I can’t really see how to compare them.

I sure hope that build you linked isn’t a PvE build Vella cause that’s pretty horrible. Valor tree is pretty worthless in PvE and AH is even more worthless. Not taking 15 in radiance to spam aoe blinds? And you need at least 10 in virtues for master of consecrations for longer WoR on shorter cooldown which is our bread and butter. 20 in virtues if you need condi cleanse with absolute resolution along with slotting renewed focus gives you the ability to strip 6 condi in a few secs. And why are you running larger symbols over shorter cooldowns on shouts since shouts will make the most use of AH along with prot from hammer obviously.

I personally don’t really use absolute resolution anymore since purging flames is usually enough for me. I run a 25/15/0/20/10 build with either zealous blade for times I run a greatsword or scepter power. This build is my PvE hammer build btw which also works well with GS/scepter.

To each their own I guess but I really wouldn’t advertise that build as a PvE hammer build. It’s not even a good anchor build really either even though anchor builds are pretty outdated now.

And to pretty much answer the OPs question, Warriors are more straightforward simple class to play while guard is more of a reactive play. I main a guard for fractals and dungeons and run my warrior when I want braindead open world stuff since LB is pretty OP on warrior :P Neither is really better than the other, just 2 different play styles.

Sauzo.6821:

I sure hope that build you linked isn’t a PvE build Vella cause that’s pretty horrible. Valor tree is pretty worthless in PvE and AH is even more worthless. Not taking 15 in radiance to spam aoe blinds? And you need at least 10 in virtues for master of consecrations for longer WoR on shorter cooldown which is our bread and butter. 20 in virtues if you need condi cleanse with absolute resolution along with slotting renewed focus gives you the ability to strip 6 condi in a few secs. And why are you running larger symbols over shorter cooldowns on shouts since shouts will make the most use of AH along with prot from hammer obviously.

I personally don’t really use absolute resolution anymore since purging flames is usually enough for me. I run a 25/15/0/20/10 build with either zealous blade for times I run a greatsword or scepter power. This build is my PvE hammer build btw which also works well with GS/scepter.

To each their own I guess but I really wouldn’t advertise that build as a PvE hammer build. It’s not even a good anchor build really either even though anchor builds are pretty outdated now.

And to pretty much answer the OPs question, Warriors are more straightforward simple class to play while guard is more of a reactive play. I main a guard for fractals and dungeons and run my warrior when I want braindead open world stuff since LB is pretty OP on warrior :P Neither is really better than the other, just 2 different play styles.

Hmm…it says PvP on the top right when you click on the build…

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

changing sets is costy i have two different guardians with different playstyle thats all

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

It means you enjoy the class enough to level it more than once. It’s less about credibility through experience and more about credibility through passion. But if it makes you feel any better I have 1500 hours on my Guardians too.

jihm.2315:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

changing sets is costy i have two different guardians with different playstyle thats all

6s to retrait?
I have 3 20slot boxes of gear for my guardian, I change builds to match my group comp. not sure what you mean by “costy”.
do plz elaborate

LetoII.3782:

jihm.2315:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

changing sets is costy i have two different guardians with different playstyle thats all

6s to retrait?
I have 3 20slot boxes of gear for my guardian, I change builds to match my group comp. not sure what you mean by “costy”.
do plz elaborate

You basically just explained it yourself. Why buy a ton of gear when you can just swap characters to one that is ready to go?

foofad.5162:

LetoII.3782:

jihm.2315:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

changing sets is costy i have two different guardians with different playstyle thats all

6s to retrait?
I have 3 20slot boxes of gear for my guardian, I change builds to match my group comp. not sure what you mean by “costy”.
do plz elaborate

You basically just explained it yourself. Why buy a ton of gear when you can just swap characters to one that is ready to go?

Valid point. But man, I disliked leveling one to 80 I can’t imagine doing 2. Heck, my ranger is parked at 60 something and I’m doing my best to level a Warrior but just can’t I’m horrible I guess.

Easier for me to re-trait or swap around gear has much has it is a pain in the kitten.

If you are more into roaming, warrior is easier because you move faster with GS.

And people might not be happy if the only guardian in their team is dps. Which is not fair (it’s not like you prevented another guardian from joining) but it might happen.

However, most people don’t expect to see a med guardian in a tourney match, while warriors are highly predictable. Said that, with a guardian you have to be more careful, because you have good sustain, but also have low hp, so always keep an eye on your healthbar.

What’s with all this ingame time comparing nonsense. Past a certain point how good you are depends far more on how willing you are to learn rather than how many times you’ve repeated the same mistake. And how good you are has nothing to do with whether your point is valid or not anyway. Only data and logic determine that.

In any case, warriors are better at condi damage, better at direct damage, better at mobility and better at personal survivability. Guardians are better at damage mitigation, better at party support, better at booning and better at battlefield control. You can spec a dps guard but it will mathematically underperform a max spec dps warrior. You can spec a shoutheal warrior but it will mathematically underperform a max spec heal/boon guardian. Pick a class that better suits what you want to do. You can pick the other for the hell of it, but know that you will underperform relative to someone else of equal skill in the other class – at least until some patch changes the relative balance. That’s fine as well if you like how the class plays… just don’t complain about it or go around insisting that your build is better when the numbers show otherwise or you simply cripple yourself, annoy others and make a joke of yourself. There’s a lot of that in the meta, all the sadder for how many people actually listen because they say what people want to hear.

And don’t go kicking dps specced guards just because they cannot outperform dps spec warriors, because a lousy player in a good spec will still underperform a good player in a suboptimal spec, and you’ll never know who’s lousy and who’s good until you see their face planted in the dirt.

foofad.5162:

Why buy a ton of gear when you can just swap characters to one that is ready to go?

So buy the same amount of gear and have it spread across multiple toons instead of simply opening your backpack? If I have a half dozen builds do I love Guardian enough to fill my login screen with them? Underlevels are basically level 80’s with skill slots removed, far more productive to simply disable keybinds <,<

I always say the guardian is a jack of all trades, master of none. Whereas the warrior is a specialist.

The thing is, the warrior keeps getting better, while the guardian is stagnant because “it is the most balanced class”. Even in their videos, the devs always look super bored when they talk about the guardian.

Dahkeus.8243:

Guardians and Warriors are both absolutely awesome in all aspects in the game. Guards are better in PvE and Wars are better in sPvP, but they’re both solid contenders in both PvE and PvP.

I dont understand what you mean… guards are played on EVERY high tiered team at the moment in tpvp… warriors are not, and for good reason

Warrior feels lacking,

I always do better on my guardian,

I feel like I have a lot more survivability as a berserker guardian,

I feel like I have a lot more utility as a berserker guardian,

I prefer defensive support over offensive,

Guardian is my #1 class for PvE, I may be a little biased here.

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

Warrior feels lacking,

I always do better on my guardian,

I feel like I have a lot more survivability as a berserker guardian,

I feel like I have a lot more utility as a berserker guardian,

I prefer defensive support over offensive,

Guardian is my #1 class for PvE, I may be a little biased here.

Well, it might be just what normally happens when you grab a new class: at first, you won’t get it.

Warrior is currently above Guardian most of the time (WvW zerg and PvE dungeon’ing being the exceptions) but it hasn’t always been that way and there are some major balance changes to Warriors in the near term that will likely move them well below the fold. If you spend the majority of your time in a WvW zerg or in PvE dungeons, you’ll disagree.

IMO, it’s a playstyle thing whether you like the Warrior over a Guardian but both are extremely easy to play.

foofad.5162:

LetoII.3782:

jihm.2315:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

changing sets is costy i have two different guardians with different playstyle thats all

6s to retrait?
I have 3 20slot boxes of gear for my guardian, I change builds to match my group comp. not sure what you mean by “costy”.
do plz elaborate

You basically just explained it yourself. Why buy a ton of gear when you can just swap characters to one that is ready to go?

lol – what?

You still have to buy the gear.

And the amount of time it takes to level up a character…. vs the 6s to respec…. you could have just (now, i’m not saying this, but..) pve’d to pay for your respecs for a year, inthe same amount of time.

the ONLY reason to make a second guardian (class) is because you don’t like the race.

I have 5 guardians.

I have 1 guardian w/ 5 sets of gear.

lol

@ Redslion, I have around 1000 hours on my warrior, and have played on and off since the beta, I have also pretty much played every spec that has come around since the beta’s,

I still prefer Guardian.

Amins.3710:

foofad.5162:

LetoII.3782:

jihm.2315:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Question: Does having 2 Guardians make you better/more experienced than someone who has 1 Guardian only? If yes, how?

Not targeting anyone in particular here, but I honestly think someone who has clocked 3000 hours into playing Guardian is more experienced at playing one than someone who has clocked in 150 hours on each of their 2 Guardians. This is just my opinion though. I just dont get how having 10 different lvl80 Guardians is a measure of you having more experience than others at playing Guardian.

changing sets is costy i have two different guardians with different playstyle thats all

6s to retrait?
I have 3 20slot boxes of gear for my guardian, I change builds to match my group comp. not sure what you mean by “costy”.
do plz elaborate

You basically just explained it yourself. Why buy a ton of gear when you can just swap characters to one that is ready to go?

lol – what?

You still have to buy the gear.

And the amount of time it takes to level up a character…. vs the 6s to respec…. you could have just (now, i’m not saying this, but..) pve’d to pay for your respecs for a year, inthe same amount of time.

the ONLY reason to make a second guardian (class) is because you don’t like the race.

I have 5 guardians.

I have 1 guardian w/ 5 sets of gear.

lol

The person I was clarifying for has two guardians because swapping sets and specs costs money and time. It makes sense to have a Guardian that you WvW with basically the same spec every time and a Guardian who uses various PvE specs that you might change around from time to time but largely remains the same. It’s a playstyle thing.

^^ Not really, but ok. =]

Amins.3710:

^^ Not really, but ok. =]

I mean, not everyone plays the same way as you. That really is okay.

Which is just as well, because as far as I can tell all you do anymore is be negative on the forums.

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

@ Redslion, I have around 1000 hours on my warrior, and have played on and off since the beta, I have also pretty much played every spec that has come around since the beta’s,

I still prefer Guardian.

Ah, I see.^^

I was just talking from my experience, about a situation where you might leave something thinking you don’t like it, just because you don’t know it. It happened for me at first with guardian. Now I’m starting to like it more than warrior.

In my opinion, there’s too many factors involved to truly ever answer that kind of question. There’s the skills, the traits, the gear, the math, then your individual play style and skill, the things you’re fighting, etc.

I think it really comes down to answering these questions, in no particular order:

1. How much fun are you having playing a particular class?
2. How often do you get smacked down in PvE/PvP?
3. How much fun do others have playing with you?
4. Do you feel you know what you’re doing and that you’re efficient in a given situation, or are you often frustrated?

Basically then, I wouldn’t ask “Is class X better than class Z?” but rather, “Which class is better for me?”

johnIV.3849:

Also just stirring the pot lol.

Pot, Lol. Cambodian revolutionary who led the Khmer Rogue from 1963 until 1997, much feared for his idiosyncratic sense of humor, particularly when under the influence of cannabis sativa.

foofad.5162:

Amins.3710:

^^ Not really, but ok. =]

I mean, not everyone plays the same way as you. That really is okay.

Which is just as well, because as far as I can tell all you do anymore is be negative on the forums.

I wouldn’t say that. You can tell by his videos and builds he has several. My guess is that any class he is rolling with at the moment has multiple. The game sort of forces us all to anyway. It isn’t like we can just park our character in a set of traits and gear and expect it to always work the same. It just doesn’t.

Now, I can see the argument of having another Guardian or whatever class you play to save time. It just isn’t something I’d do but I’m not going to bash someone over it.

Bistouri.6038:

In my opinion, there’s too many factors involved to truly ever answer that kind of question. There’s the skills, the traits, the gear, the math, then your individual play style and skill, the things you’re fighting, etc.

I think it really comes down to answering these questions, in no particular order:

1. How much fun are you having playing a particular class?
2. How often do you get smacked down in PvE/PvP?
3. How much fun do others have playing with you?
4. Do you feel you know what you’re doing and that you’re efficient in a given situation, or are you often frustrated?

Basically then, I wouldn’t ask “Is class X better than class Z?” but rather, “Which class is better for me?”

I’d go one step further. Let us say you play only one meta of the game and that is WvW. Now, both Warrior and Guardian are heavy armor types. Ok, equal ground. Now let us fire up same armor and similar traits (it won’t be apples to apples we al agree). Armor is zerk with some soldier and DPS oriented traits.

Again, traits not being equal but close, which can survive longer and deal out reasonable DPS to kill something without being a liability.

Crapgame.6519:

foofad.5162:

Amins.3710:

^^ Not really, but ok. =]

I mean, not everyone plays the same way as you. That really is okay.

Which is just as well, because as far as I can tell all you do anymore is be negative on the forums.

I wouldn’t say that. You can tell by his videos and builds he has several. My guess is that any class he is rolling with at the moment has multiple. The game sort of forces us all to anyway. It isn’t like we can just park our character in a set of traits and gear and expect it to always work the same. It just doesn’t.

Now, I can see the argument of having another Guardian or whatever class you play to save time. It just isn’t something I’d do but I’m not going to bash someone over it.

Personally I have a character that I experiment on and use for everything, and another that Just Works when it comes to dungeons. When I just need to run a dungeon, I hop on the latter. The former is for funsies.

foofad.5162:

Amins.3710:

^^ Not really, but ok. =]

I mean, not everyone plays the same way as you. That really is okay.

Which is just as well, because as far as I can tell all you do anymore is be negative on the forums.

Your hair smelled good today.

There see, me being positive. =]

Cheers,

foofad.5162:

Amins.3710:

^^ Not really, but ok. =]

I mean, not everyone plays the same way as you. That really is okay.

Which is just as well, because as far as I can tell all you do anymore is be negative on the forums.

His negativity might have something to do with how bad they’ve done wvw, not improved/fixed Guards, stealth mechanics, aoe cap, etc, etc, etc…

When they say they want to have a chat about something, and then don’t respond on our forums for 2 months; its obvious they don’t get a rats kitten about Guardians or think they are just fine…which they aren’t just fine

In PVE the warrior does a lot more raw damage with his GS (especially 100b). So if you like high figures you should use a warrior. The guardian is able to pull 5 foes to him which makes farming/leveling a bit easier.

In general the guardian relates to defensive boons while the warrior has access to the offensive. The guardian is easier to play if played aggressive. You can trait him to blind foes on death via F1 which makes him OP if you kill at least one foe fast enough so your F1 reloads. Shouts are a great support if you are in trouble. Aegis is also a great thing. Lets say you want to do a skill challenge and while you are channeling you are under attack so with aegis you can avoid it as a warrior you have to kill that foe while as a guardian you can ignore it.

raubvogel.5071:

In PVE the warrior does a lot more raw damage with his GS (especially 100b). So if you like high figures you should use a warrior. The guardian is able to pull 5 foes to him which makes farming/leveling a bit easier.

There’s really very little difference in damage between war and guard and depending on the fight, a guard can come out ahead in dps.

Hundred blades stacks up a big number because it’s a channeled skill, so yea, while it does good dps, it’s not as uber awesome as people think it is.

Dahkeus.8243:

raubvogel.5071:

In PVE the warrior does a lot more raw damage with his GS (especially 100b). So if you like high figures you should use a warrior. The guardian is able to pull 5 foes to him which makes farming/leveling a bit easier.

There’s really very little difference in damage between war and guard and depending on the fight, a guard can come out ahead in dps.

Hundred blades stacks up a big number because it’s a channeled skill, so yea, while it does good dps, it’s not as uber awesome as people think it is.

Not everyone plays PvE.

Everyone, most anyway, run full DPS builds and gear. Thus the pending change.

Structured PvP meta, it may be a moot point.

WvW on the other hand may be another story.

Even though I “officially” have 1200 hours on my Guardian since pre-release, and 2200+ hours total across all toons, I count a lot of those hours on my Guardian still. I say this because I’ve tried to learn how other classes and builds play, how to deal with Guardians so I can get better myself, and in general. My warrior is ~600 hours I’d say. Really fun to level, very VERY boring to me. There’s so much forgiveness it’s mind numbing. Warriors are NOT bad, not in the slightest. Their playstyles, base stats, and traits make them amazingly versatile, and it feels like almost every build, even a 30/30/10/0/0 build is tanky as hell. So why do I love my Guardian more, and find it so exciting vs my warrior?
1. My Guardian is Asura. Master Race for the Master Class.
2. Guardians thematic colors are blue. My favorite color is blue. Win.
3. Guardians use heavy armor, a kitten tone of blocks and heals, and kitten ton more of heals, and then a few thousand other blocks.
4. Unless you’re going ham in PvE, most likely, you won’t be in a 100% zerker setup. So the challenge is to do damage while playing in trait lines that focus on the bottom 3 trait lines (Honor, Valor, Virtues).
5. Combine magic with a soldier, and you get some dam cool spells and effects. Consecrations, Meditations, the Staff….
6. Guardians get a staff.
7. Guardians staff is amazing.
8. Guardian staff is the best staff in the game, IDC what anyone says, try tossing on 100% zerker gear with a zerker staff, run around spamming 1 on everything LOOOOOL
9. Guardians aren’t as clunky as warriors. You actually need to think really hard before running into mobs, you don’t get 25K+ HP to toss around. In Sentinels Wet Noodle Armor, I have 21K health on my Guard. My damage in this gear is next to nothing, hitting 1K normals and 2.5K crits lol. I don’t die, but I don’t kill either.
10. Guardians aren’t always about the slow killing. I play bunker in spvp. It’s something you have to think about. The constant thief dazes, fighting those condi tank warriors with healing signet, Necros, really good, actually played their mesmer Mesmers… These things cause problems on my bunker. Switch to triple Meditation GS/Sw/Fc and all of a sudden, nothing seems to matter. You can’t hold a point, but you won’t die either lol.
11. Guardians kitten rule. The best players are Guardians. (dunno, but I consider myself pretty kitten good, so there you go.)
12. Did I mention the Guardians staff? I did? Ok, just making sure you know about all the boons and stuff Guardians deal with that are game changing. The might stacks, man, them empowered might stacks.

Jokes aside, the Warrior and Guardian are just classes you gotta try for yourself. I promise you this, if you roll either, you will ALWAYS have a dungeon party, you will ALWAYS be loved (unless you really are terribad), WvW groups will love you, zergs will love you, Fractal groups will love you, tpvp pugs will love you, the soldiers rule. Just don’t be a baddie.