Guild Wars 2

My backstab: 10187 —> 25 bloodlust, 5 might, 2999 base power with 256% ferocity
Guardian: 8238 --> 0 bloodlust, 3 might, ?? base power ?? feorcity (his fero around max 230%) i ran CS this time

And master dhs picture here:

but dh eats thieves in roaming.

Open your god kitten chests.

So looking at the stats you say and given you say you had 256% ferocity I make it that you’re running close to full berserkers gear with taking pretty much all the traits to increase ferocity in the CS line. This is your problem you should slot some marauder gear so you have more of a HP buffer and yes many classes are running marauder including DHs.

You and your 5 thief gank group deserve this and the best part the DH was possibly nowhere near there and had dumped a load of traps for you to get oneshot on.

apharma.3741:

So looking at the stats you say and given you say you had 256% ferocity I make it that you’re running close to full berserkers gear with taking pretty much all the traits to increase ferocity in the CS line. This is your problem you should slot some marauder gear so you have more of a HP buffer and yes many classes are running marauder including DHs.

You and your 5 thief gank group deserve this and the best part the DH was possibly nowhere near there and had dumped a load of traps for you to get oneshot on.

It wasnt a thief gank squad anyway and here is my 17.2k hp

apharma.3741:

So looking at the stats you say and given you say you had 256% ferocity I make it that you’re running close to full berserkers gear with taking pretty much all the traits to increase ferocity in the CS line. This is your problem you should slot some marauder gear so you have more of a HP buffer and yes many classes are running marauder including DHs.

You and your 5 thief gank group deserve this and the best part the DH was possibly nowhere near there and had dumped a load of traps for you to get oneshot on.

BTW i love how evryone defends they cancer mechanics, kitten fair and good gameplay just pls dont nerf my class

How did that DH do 8k on a ToF, while having higher than 16k hp??

Menyus.4610:

apharma.3741:

So looking at the stats you say and given you say you had 256% ferocity I make it that you’re running close to full berserkers gear with taking pretty much all the traits to increase ferocity in the CS line. This is your problem you should slot some marauder gear so you have more of a HP buffer and yes many classes are running marauder including DHs.

You and your 5 thief gank group deserve this and the best part the DH was possibly nowhere near there and had dumped a load of traps for you to get oneshot on.

BTW i love how evryone defends they cancer mechanics, kitten fair and good gameplay just pls dont nerf my class

I don’t play DH much at all and the pictures you linked was you running with 4 other thieves, if that isn’t a 5 party stealth gank squad I don’t know what is!

Hmmm that follow up picture shows significantly less than 256 ferocity which certainly skews numbers, still I stand by what I say, all thief gank squads are as kitten as DHs leaving traps everywhere that can kill you.

You have no business attacking DHs without someone to trigger the traps safely for you, this is thief 101 just as I as a power mesmer should generally go in the opposite direction to thieves if I see them.

You also, as a 1k toughness, thief decided to shadowstep out of the dragon’s maw past Test of Faith, not once but TWICE. You deserved to die.

Guard has lots of passive damage absorption and base health pool. So you are going to need to do more to melt a DH with impairing daggers and 1 backstab. DH will destroy any Thief in a 1v1 with the right skills. Like a lot of people in this thread said, “You have no business attacking DHs as a thief.”

Atros.9607:

You also, as a 1k toughness, thief decided to shadowstep out of the dragon’s maw past Test of Faith, not once but TWICE. You deserved to die.

Guard has lots of passive damage absorption and base health pool. So you are going to need to do more to melt a DH with impairing daggers and 1 backstab. DH will destroy any Thief in a 1v1 with the right skills. Like a lot of people in this thread said, “You have no business attacking DHs as a thief.”

Only if the DH has traps.

@OP theres still some DH’s that are runing shouts go farm those guys ^^ u can kill e/o effort since they cant do nothing.

Atros.9607:

You also, as a 1k toughness, thief decided to shadowstep out of the dragon’s maw past Test of Faith, not once but TWICE. You deserved to die.

Guard has lots of passive damage absorption and base health pool.

Wait whut ?

Dawdler.8521:

Open your god kitten chests.

If you are doing your job, your inventory fills up so quick that you need to hold them chests in stasis for later

Sooo,you trying to say,your autoattack from stealth hits for more than DHs utility trap and elite trap on like 50-60sec CD?

Btw you understand that 10.5k BS with one aa,or sigil proc would kill berzerker DH instantly?and that all from stealth….,sounds fair,right?

You took dmg by not dodging ToF and teleporting out, seems fine by me.

Your one braindead backstab skill with no cd vs 24 sec cd trap. Seems like l2p issue.

You should better play that invisible trapper thief.

Evan Lesh.3295:

It’s almost like DH has a low skill floor or something.

Dragon’s Maw gives 10 might.

And you have 2.1k armor. Just about anything is going to do a lot of damage to you.

You should be able to dodge the dragons maw as soon as you see the animation, then you wouldn’t be hit with anything, you should run acrobatics if you’re having issues dodging.

tl;dr It’s okay to burst down someone, and they shouldn’t complain. But if it happens to you….

Dawdler.8521:

Open your god kitten chests.

All them white knights pathetic, i hope you start playing ghost thief too and defened that too
256 fero: u know i said i was running cs i guess u know much about this game so pls never leave forums
1 teleport was a steal, it triggered the traps it can happen, but let me tell you if u see 3-4 enemies coming to you you gonna shadow step away even with a 3-5k hp loss from that cancer trap but u dont expect a 8k hp loss
Also to the guy its okey to burst someone, well i sacrificed evrything for that 10k+ backstab, even if downed him enemies could interrupt me kill me stun me, while our DH probably just put up some zerker gear for damage , such sacrafice much wow

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Evan Lesh.3295:

It’s almost like DH has a low skill floor or something.

Fun thing is that there is 10 times more thieves than DH in wvw and everyone knows why.

Anet nerfed full gank comps so you take more dmg, but it’s worth it for those insta 360 no scope multi backstab montage videos.
Didn’t you get the memo?

Menyus.4610:

Also to the guy its okey to burst someone, well i sacrificed evrything for that 10k+ backstab, even if downed him enemies could interrupt me kill me stun me, while our DH probably just put up some zerker gear for damage , such sacrafice much wow

Let’s see. You’re expecting to take more than one person and when someone else joins in is a class issue? Any class could +1 you when you clearly said you sacrificed everything.

What if it was 2v1 on your end? Would imbalance even come up? Do you make threads about that poor sod?It is only when you die that thus is an issue.

Well at least you didn’t sacrifice your dignity for those numbers by making a thread.

Edit: oh wait you have 17k health lol

5 thief party versus traps, which is more lame? Apparently the lack of dodge is the lamest.

gebrechen.5643:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Evan Lesh.3295:

It’s almost like DH has a low skill floor or something.

Fun thing is that there is 10 times more thieves than DH in wvw and everyone knows why.

Fun thing your number is arbitrary and no proof to back the claim while Guardians are very prevalent in WvW just saying.. claims with zero proof.

Arbitrary is arbitrary is arbitrary

gebrechen.5643:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Evan Lesh.3295:

It’s almost like DH has a low skill floor or something.

Fun thing is that there is 10 times more thieves than DH in wvw and everyone knows why.

Yea exactly. Omagawd nerf that Dh cause I missed my 10k backstab and died teleporting out of trap. Plz anet.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

gebrechen.5643:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Evan Lesh.3295:

It’s almost like DH has a low skill floor or something.

Fun thing is that there is 10 times more thieves than DH in wvw and everyone knows why.

Fun thing your number is arbitrary and no proof to back the claim while Guardians are very prevalent in WvW just saying.. claims with zero proof.

Arbitrary is arbitrary is arbitrary

Arbitary number aside, he is correct, in terms of roaming (which seems to be the aspect of WvW this thread is relevant to) thief has been by far the most numerous class over the course of this game.

And as he says everyone knows why, as a roamer thief is ezmode because you can pick and choose your fights, and if you screw up or get outplayed you aren’t punished for it that often because most of the time you can disengage if you choose to, so basically is broken in terms of risk vs reward.

This is pretty much it. Playing thief has almost no risk of getting killed. You always can pull one of your escape tools.
If your target doesn’t die first try, feel free to try again, he will mostly have used some of his cooldowns and he can’t outrun you.

Hey White Knights, none asked for a nerf, why you mad?
Being in group with your thief friends/randoms aint mean you are in a gank squad, rest was doin 1v1 (or watching it)
Post was meant in WvW forums tho, i accidentally posted it here, my post point was to outpoint problems we have in wvw, DHs arent really a big problem of it tho cos we have ghost thieves(which got buffed) this buff was as stupid as buffing mesmers shatter damage, druid stealthing as many as thieves nowdays, scrappers running with perma boons destroying, stealthing, ressing evrything on sight, power warriors dealing so much damage your calculator get a Math error after reading combat log(a skill on 20 sec cd with 3 sec stun filling your adrelarine bar and doing 6k dmage what what what?), so yeah none asked for a nerf to DH in this thread or atleast i aint i was just pointing out to those who QQ about how DH become useless, also gonna post another one soon to those saying dhs have low mobility and thats why they ****…..

Edit: Burn Guardian is a problem tho

@Menyus.4610, people failed to realize joke trhead i guess, at least is how ic it, has a guardian/Dh i support ghost thief (and i would bet it will become some new expansion stuff they will normalize and force thiefs to play the new stealth gimmick), gw2 is ment for people who never achieved nothing in mmo’s or due being to bad and need a gimmick push gameplay or lack of time to reach it.

So ghost thief is working as intended, and if in the hands of a good players will do much more, same has for all easy gimmicks out there.
Besides ghost thief should be blob meta, i bet it would reduce the figths and lag.
Thiefs only should have issues with dh trapper gimmickers, anything outside meditrapper is dull and cant do much besides tean leech ^^.

Oh… rverythign that stacks burn in a few keyboard bashing is a problem^^, did u ever tryed to “save yourselves” a whole team while being hitted by to aoe burn guards?

Still if Anet reduced the aoe lameness/cleave while on pvp gameplay, game would be much better, that would make some groups stopped being carried but game is about find something to be carried to reach your goal.

gebrechen.5643:

Fun thing is that there is 10 times more thieves than DH in wvw and everyone knows why.

Is it because they’re 10 times harder to play than DH? I’m just going to assume that’s the “why.” We love fighting those uphill battles!

Aeolus.3615:

@Menyus.4610, people failed to realize joke trhead i guess, at least is how ic it, has a guardian/Dh i support ghost thief (and i would bet it will become some new expansion stuff they will normalize and force thiefs to play the new stealth gimmick), gw2 is ment for people who never achieved nothing in mmo’s or due being to bad and need a gimmick push gameplay or lack of time to reach it.

So ghost thief is working as intended, and if in the hands of a good players will do much more, same has for all easy gimmicks out there.
Besides ghost thief should be blob meta, i bet it would reduce the figths and lag.
Thiefs only should have issues with dh trapper gimmickers, anything outside meditrapper is dull and cant do much besides tean leech ^^.

Oh… rverythign that stacks burn in a few keyboard bashing is a problem^^, did u ever tryed to “save yourselves” a whole team while being hitted by to aoe burn guards?

Still if Anet reduced the aoe lameness/cleave while on pvp gameplay, game would be much better, that would make some groups stopped being carried but game is about find something to be carried to reach your goal.

Until the GT blob meets a Mallyx rev blob…lotsa dead teefs then

I admit I tried GT and liked it…for about an hour. Just a gimmick build used by those that doesn’t know how to actually play a teef so they use that and think they are real teefs. Mallyx rev, HGH Scrapper, Condi staff necro all eat them. Ill jump on mine every blue moon for about 10-15 mins but in the end…I feel dirty playing it and swap back to DPS and kill things (also helps I feed off of the revealed de-buff…makes me stronger and hurt more on my DPS build where i need to avoid it otherwise)

Turk.5460:

gebrechen.5643:

Fun thing is that there is 10 times more thieves than DH in wvw and everyone knows why.

Is it because they’re 10 times harder to play than DH? I’m just going to assume that’s the “why.” We love fighting those uphill battles!

MMOrpg players are well known to take hard way.