Guild Wars 2

With 2200 hours playing Guardian of 3500 my total gameplay

somehow i never met the right build for me yes i know it called “Guardian”
but my viewpoint is a guardian that guarding my friends by killing enemies fast
but sometimes i like to be tanky that’s why i play guard

did i miss the point that anet was saying?
“Everyone, Everyclass can be Everything they want” something like that

please skip this thread, do not reply or read this discussion if u’re just goin to say
“go warrior”

I want to discuss about how we’re not given a viable traits to burst down an enemy while having a survivability to maintain 1vsX next fight, especially in wvw spec not pvp

i dont want to talk about boring AH build with zerk gears its way too mainstream
and it even can’t burst down 1 enemy like thieves or warriors do their combo

the disappointing moment is when i ran my thief with full zerk i can 1vs 4xlv80 enemies , yes my thief can invis while i wait my utility CD

and i ran my warrior i can burst enemy then run around using 3&5gs while recoveries and back again for another fight

when i play a guardian i’ve tried many build and master it yes i can 1vs 4xlv80 in wvw but its never far from 30 honor or 30 virtues with knight or cleric gears, like other tourney build especially boring AH build

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i’ve been using triple meditation build + RHS 10/30/30/0/0 somehow loses critchance while not having SYS’s fury. and lack of mobility cus no swiftness at all..

also u cannot burst someone simply using auto attack of sword, i found that i “nearly” burst down people effectively by JI(judge’s intervent) + whirling wrath of GS (i like GS better even i traited 30 radi) and if he doesnt die they ran away and this build is no way of chasing people with 32s JI or 12s leap or skill 2 sword is impossible , well to make things worse this case if u’re luckily not being bursted down by 2nd opponent and if ure alive what r u gonna do to recoveries and fight the 2nd battle? can u invis like a thieves? or high mobility like a wars?

with no honor line +full zerk i feel like 12-13k HP is totally same as paper as thief but thief has invis + shadow rejuv

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and then i retraited to 0/30/30/10/0 for double meditation + SYS and made me horribly died by conditions and again still can be easily bursted by 1 backstab thief

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a huge different while i use my daily build wvw build 0/0/20/30/20 (why 20 valor? bcs i use shield cd trait and simply AH is mainstream and i hate mainstream + i figures absolte resolution is way more usefull vs condi and heals more than AH+EM while we’re out of attack range)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR5elUgiDnFyvDf4ESmiVCBxegRZUHdpAikIA-jUyAYLAMWkJMw0nAlALiGbltIas6aMlrQkGO1CBUeBA-w

yes i’m nearly immortal with this build but more and more day i felt like boxing bag

i manage to survive 2 backstab thieves or 2 warrior burst/condi but they simply ran away if they figures they cant kill me, im not talking about weekend warriors who kept attacking me while my reta 100% up

TLDR :
there is no way we can fight 1vsX with a radiance + zerk set with a guard
or simply bursting down 1 people in very flash moment with ability to recover for next fight
or there is a way to do so?

Thanks a lot, i expect a great discussion in this thread and i really appreciate who is reading from top to bottom

sorry for the grammar my main language isn’t english

1.5k hours of Guardian here with close to 1.5k pvp games aswell. Most of those were trying to find a real viable burst build on the Guardian. I have made a couple good ones, one for pvp and one for wvw. The one that i build for tPvP got severely nerfed when Arenanet made spirit weapons hitteable, since it relied heavily on spirit hammer. The damage they dealt to it wasn’t a big deal, but the blinds were. As for WvW, it’s a bit more complicated. I’m not sure how it is on lower tiers, but on JQ people seem to be adapting to more tanky specs with PVT gear.

What i used to do was Sigil of Rage. I figured since i don’t have any ways to CC my target unless i give up sword, which i refuse to, I should try to burst them asap. That used to work wonderfully, i have a few clips of it on a video on youtube, but saddly, quickness got nerfed. Then i moved to Hydromancy Sigils. Figured the problem wasn’t lack of damage at all, but that people could AVOID my damage. It worked until the new ’’PVT’’ meta started to kick in and then i started to have trouble killing people on outnumbered fights. Didn’t have much CC and they were tanky, so they would just get away.

The builds that i usually run are spec’d for 30 on valor. I don’t really go for AH though. I’m a big fan of meditations so i usually pick Monk’s Focus. Here’s my old build that i used to run with Quickness if you might think you wanna take a look at it and tweak to your like. There’s a video at the bottom of the post.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Furious-Knight-Built-WvW-Solo-Burst

And here’s the one that i have been testing lately

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR8dlYg67GHSNEfIFRugqCxDnhGz41DI6wGC-jEzAYLBZCUgoCwJwioxWFLiGreBTdmUlbkVxA2cBZvRS9HYCBYeMA-w

Best of luck

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQRAse7dlUgSDHHSIEm4Eh1DAeQ/VVAfXPgYEbIA-jEyA4uioRTdCNVYIaJvioxW1KiGraBTdSEV7PKiWtUARMGA-w

here is something that might help ya,,, been using this build for about 9 months now. have had a lot of success with it. This is with exotics and consumables up mind you. I never wvw without them ^^.

pros:
3300 power
66% crit with trait
3150 armor
lots of crit damage
Meditations heal and are instant (meaning they can be used while using other skills)
With Flashing Blade, Judge Inter, Bane and Chains,, we can stay on top of enemy
Scepter skills hit quite hard so we don’t always need to be in melee

cons:
low hp – 11400
No condition removal except Smite Condition

small rotation i use to burst is: chains of light, smite, flashing blade, zealot’s defense
works well on moderate health and lower classes.
feel free to tweak and make your own.

Sorem.9157:

1.5k hours of Guardian here with close to 1.5k pvp games aswell. Most of those were trying to find a real viable burst build on the Guardian. I have made a couple good ones, one for pvp and one for wvw. The one that i build for tPvP got severely nerfed when Arenanet made spirit weapons hitteable, since it relied heavily on spirit hammer. The damage they dealt to it wasn’t a big deal, but the blinds were. As for WvW, it’s a bit more complicated. I’m not sure how it is on lower tiers, but on JQ people seem to be adapting to more tanky specs with PVT gear.

What i used to do was Sigil of Rage. I figured since i don’t have any ways to CC my target unless i give up sword, which i refuse to, I should try to burst them asap. That used to work wonderfully, i have a few clips of it on a video on youtube, but saddly, quickness got nerfed. Then i moved to Hydromancy Sigils. Figured the problem wasn’t lack of damage at all, but that people could AVOID my damage. It worked until the new ’’PVT’’ meta started to kick in and then i started to have trouble killing people on outnumbered fights. Didn’t have much CC and they were tanky, so they would just get away.

The builds that i usually run are spec’d for 30 on valor. I don’t really go for AH though. I’m a big fan of meditations so i usually pick Monk’s Focus. Here’s my old build that i used to run with Quickness if you might think you wanna take a look at it and tweak to your like. There’s a video at the bottom of the post.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Furious-Knight-Built-WvW-Solo-Burst

And here’s the one that i have been testing lately

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR8dlYg67GHSNEfIFRugqCxDnhGz41DI6wGC-jEzAYLBZCUgoCwJwioxWFLiGreBTdmUlbkVxA2cBZvRS9HYCBYeMA-w

Best of luck

i like ur build ive been using similar to that before the different is only at honor i switch 5 points to virtues so i got unscathed contender/vengeful.. but back again it is the problem if im running this build just like what u’ve said in ur thread i have a big problem with healing build especially bunker.condi necros/engi/ranger
and 1vsX a not pro skilled players but at least know how to play
because we can be bursted down after our meditation on cd after taking damage from the 1st enemy and we have no other survivabillity for 2nd fight

yes lower tier like darkhaven is not much different we’re focus on bunker spec too
like i do as shown in my daily build above
thats why i really-really curious why we guardian can’t , while i use my zerk thief/warr i can take down a bunker specd player

now u’re talking does spirit weapon blind?

Kamui.5726:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQRAse7dlUgSDHHSIEm4Eh1DAeQ/VVAfXPgYEbIA-jEyA4uioRTdCNVYIaJvioxW1KiGraBTdSEV7PKiWtUARMGA-w

here is something that might help ya,,, been using this build for about 9 months now. have had a lot of success with it. This is with exotics and consumables up mind you. I never wvw without them ^^.

pros:
3300 power
66% crit with trait
3150 armor
lots of crit damage
Meditations heal and are instant (meaning they can be used while using other skills)
With Flashing Blade, Judge Inter, Bane and Chains,, we can stay on top of enemy
Scepter skills hit quite hard so we don’t always need to be in melee

cons:
low hp – 11400
No condition removal except Smite Condition

small rotation i use to burst is: chains of light, smite, flashing blade, zealot’s defense
works well on moderate health and lower classes.
feel free to tweak and make your own.

yes as shown at my story above ive already running this build and having tough time with swiftness and mobility if our burst fail to make them downed and ur JI is at cd
+having difficult to make bunker classes down like u’ve said too
but i have no problem running glass cannon like this with thief or war
im so curious did i miss the point of recoveries that guardians do like invis of thief or mobility of war

thanks for reply tho

The tip that i could give you is pop your Sword #2 instead of JI at the beggining. Cuts the animation but saves you a heal and it has low cd so it should be back up soon and you can save JI for bigger leaps. Timing your JI with weapon swap can be powerful for chasing too.

And yeah i believe they do get blinded

I’ve seen guardians that could either hit very hard, or else tank very well, but trying to do both means you’re only mediocre at both. I haven’t found a good balance between the two, and I’m interested to see what other people can come up with.

you’re forgetting the most efficient build

0/15/30/20/5

Sorem.9157:

The tip that i could give you is pop your Sword #2 instead of JI at the beggining. Cuts the animation but saves you a heal and it has low cd so it should be back up soon and you can save JI for bigger leaps. Timing your JI with weapon swap can be powerful for chasing too.

And yeah i believe they do get blinded

eh? i never knew spirit weapons blinds
is it traited? i only knew there was only burn

Opc.4718:

I’ve seen guardians that could either hit very hard, or else tank very well, but trying to do both means you’re only mediocre at both. I haven’t found a good balance between the two, and I’m interested to see what other people can come up with.

it is! if u’re at the one which hit very hard u can’t survive a long battle, unlike thieves and wars i’ve described above

Charak.9761:

you’re forgetting the most efficient build

0/15/30/20/5

its not dps focused, and its just like what i’ve said we cant survive without honorline
and this build still cant burst people in a single combo cus lack of precision with only 15 radi line

Clarzk.7312:

Sorem.9157:

And yeah i believe they do get blinded

eh? i never knew spirit weapons blinds
is it traited? i only knew there was only burn

I think he means that since they were made vulnerable to attack, they are also vulnerable to conditions. In otherwords the reliable CC you used to get from hammer can now miss entirely because the spirit weapon gets blinded.

I used to run a burst spec with spirit hammer/gs. Those were the days, I could 1vX people with consistency. 1v1 it was a train wreck if the other player didn’t see it coming though (probably partially why it got nerfed). They could take the damage increase away and make them not attack-able again! I ran gs and sc/torch and people didn’t know what hit them. Ever since that change though I have yet to find a really fun burst build =/ always looking though.

Tarsius.3170:

Clarzk.7312:

Sorem.9157:

And yeah i believe they do get blinded

eh? i never knew spirit weapons blinds
is it traited? i only knew there was only burn

I think he means that since they were made vulnerable to attack, they are also vulnerable to conditions. In otherwords the reliable CC you used to get from hammer can now miss entirely because the spirit weapon gets blinded.

ahh… sry i misread it.. i thought when he said “they” meant to = spirit weapons

“The damage they dealt to it wasn’t a big deal, but the blinds were”

i do know spirit weapon r vulnerable now, thank you for clarifying

Reymis.2158:

I used to run a burst spec with spirit hammer/gs. Those were the days, I could 1vX people with consistency. 1v1 it was a train wreck if the other player didn’t see it coming though (probably partially why it got nerfed). They could take the damage increase away and make them not attack-able again! I ran gs and sc/torch and people didn’t know what hit them. Ever since that change though I have yet to find a really fun burst build =/ always looking though.

haven’t tried partially spirit weapon builds bcs personally i cant live to give away either judges, Smite, or SYS when runnin meditation burts ,they give quite dps
also i used to think it takes time to cast out spirit weapon our enemy might ran away already before the hammer hit him.
Its surely a train wreck if u precast it tho..

well after u say so im having second thought
i might give it a try.. if this suits me.. also want to find out how to cover up the change that been made to spirit weps

Guardian is the King of AOE DPS. The way of Guardian is to be unstoppable, to never retreat in a fight, forever pursue your opponent even if you are healing (Shelter) or Renewed Focus. If ya wanna retreat like your Warrior and Thief, sorry, this class is not for you.

My Burst Build
20/0/30/20/0

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJARSlUgKDHHyKEf4ERli4dPMFYMjXPgYEbIA-ToAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNAZxB

Start off your fight with Hammer first. Best if vs classes with pets, non stop do your AOE Reta. Once their HP is at 70%, do this combo.

Combo:
Hammer(5) + Judge Intervention, now that if they are trap in the Ring of Ward, (tap Stand Your Ground to avoid interrupted) instantly Swap GS(4)(2)(5), Purge Condition for extra damage IF you got condition. Auto-attack and non-stop chasing. Pull them back when they are about to heal(i got a habit of pulling them too soon and burst my Purge Condition cause it looks so cool xD), in most cases if this pull off perfectly, thief and mesmer will die.

This combo can also be performed when you are being chased, the chaser will 100% got knocked down from the ward. I owned a Mesmer 80% hp when im at 10% hp with this troll method.

Do this in group fight and see others drops like flies.

P.S Be very aggressive, the Guardian way is not to retreat =)

^ is this in PVP or WVW?

yLoon.5289:

Guardian is the King of AOE DPS. The way of Guardian is to be unstoppable, to never retreat in a fight, forever pursue your opponent even if you are healing (Shelter) or Renewed Focus. If ya wanna retreat like your Warrior and Thief, sorry, this class is not for you.

My Burst Build
20/0/30/20/0

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJARSlUgKDHHyKEf4ERli4dPMFYMjXPgYEbIA-ToAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNAZxB

Start off your fight with Hammer first. Best if vs classes with pets, non stop do your AOE Reta. Once their HP is at 70%, do this combo.

Combo:
Hammer(5) + Judge Intervention, now that if they are trap in the Ring of Ward, (tap Stand Your Ground to avoid interrupted) instantly Swap GS(4)(2)(5), Purge Condition for extra damage IF you got condition. Auto-attack and non-stop chasing. Pull them back when they are about to heal(i got a habit of pulling them too soon and burst my Purge Condition cause it looks so cool xD), in most cases if this pull off perfectly, thief and mesmer will die.

This combo can also be performed when you are being chased, the chaser will 100% got knocked down from the ward. I owned a Mesmer 80% hp when im at 10% hp with this troll method.

Do this in group fight and see others drops like flies.

P.S Be very aggressive, the Guardian way is not to retreat =)

yes i clearly know about that, i didn’t say guardian must have a way to retreat i’m just asking about how a DPS guardian recovery for next fight
and ur build once again is not a dps focused (no radiance line lack precision) and like i said in the descriptions we can’t live longer without honorline
didn’t meant to break it, but its kinda waste to take monk focus if ure only bring 1 meditation
i better pick smite condi rather than purging flames

my thief wasn’t running but invis around them with shadowrejuv and im just giving an example how other class do recovery

and i do like yours with my guardian while in bunker-trait, my MAIN heal is attacking
with mace autoattack+omnomberry pies+sigil blood

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR8dlYgKCnESIEfYFSuArHEkBVQVFiHMFEI8dLA-jUyAYMBZ6DAFCmIAlALiGb9sIasqZBZlNm6NpCBUeBA-w

this is what i use for wvw, roaming. Takes some time getting used to it, but once you do.. you should be able to ’’burst’’ pretty much anyone down!

Criticism is always welcome, but if you don’t like it – don’t be too harsh.

Clarzk.7312:

yLoon.5289:

Guardian is the King of AOE DPS. The way of Guardian is to be unstoppable, to never retreat in a fight, forever pursue your opponent even if you are healing (Shelter) or Renewed Focus. If ya wanna retreat like your Warrior and Thief, sorry, this class is not for you.

My Burst Build
20/0/30/20/0

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJARSlUgKDHHyKEf4ERli4dPMFYMjXPgYEbIA-ToAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNAZxB

Start off your fight with Hammer first. Best if vs classes with pets, non stop do your AOE Reta. Once their HP is at 70%, do this combo.

Combo:
Hammer(5) + Judge Intervention, now that if they are trap in the Ring of Ward, (tap Stand Your Ground to avoid interrupted) instantly Swap GS(4)(2)(5), Purge Condition for extra damage IF you got condition. Auto-attack and non-stop chasing. Pull them back when they are about to heal(i got a habit of pulling them too soon and burst my Purge Condition cause it looks so cool xD), in most cases if this pull off perfectly, thief and mesmer will die.

This combo can also be performed when you are being chased, the chaser will 100% got knocked down from the ward. I owned a Mesmer 80% hp when im at 10% hp with this troll method.

Do this in group fight and see others drops like flies.

P.S Be very aggressive, the Guardian way is not to retreat =)

yes i clearly know about that, i didn’t say guardian must have a way to retreat i’m just asking about how a DPS guardian recovery for next fight
and ur build once again is not a dps focused (no radiance line lack precision) and like i said in the descriptions we can’t live longer without honorline
didn’t meant to break it, but its kinda waste to take monk focus if ure only bring 1 meditation
i better pick smite condi rather than purging flames

my thief wasn’t running but invis around them with shadowrejuv and im just giving an example how other class do recovery

and i do like yours with my guardian while in bunker-trait, my MAIN heal is attacking
with mace autoattack+omnomberry pies+sigil blood

No precision = not DPS? hahaha , make me laugh so hard. Clearly such a wrong mindset! Berserk gear perhaps?

Pardon my mistake , its Purge Condition, not Purging Flame obviously , did you even read other than looking at the link? xD
Why should you recover when you killed the enemy first? Guardian? Recover? This 2 terms never appear together, I’m sure you are aware the mechanism of ALL of the skills, recover? Nah, its either kill or be killed. I chose to kill rather than being a punching bag while waiting for team mate. In fact, i chose to bring more people down with me while doing that, therefore i use GS and Hammer.
Keep that in mind. one handed weapon can never net you double kill or more at instant, therefore contributing less DPS in group fight. Damage of GS4 is like 5 times of your Sword3 , that also not adding on the retaliation yet. Putting maximum points in radiance = dps is a troll i solely believe done by arena.

In my logic, why choose to DPS one opponent when you could damage both or even 5? Ring of Ward and GS4 is a death sentence to most of the class specially necro, also nullify dodge!
With the current fixed on Symbol Radius, this build is too OP. A dodge from the mid now can never escape the radius of GS4!

I do fine with this build against any class, except Engineer. In terms of 1v1, this build needs more skill and experience, not popping up combo instantly. However in group fight, its too OP.

I have a build in another topic. Feel free to check it out:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Burn-MF-Burn-Burst-Build

Stats (with nourishments)
2,427 power
51% critical chance (using sword/torch)
648 condition damage
1,596 toughness
16,505 health

Burst comes from sword/torch and burning, and you can recover by using staff and boons.

I can give you my TsPvP Build.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR8dlUgiDnGyNEf4Eh1j/JQ/VVIeXPgYEbIA-ToAg0EIpQyhkBJJSWkGWssY3B
It’s a berserker build, pure Meditation build.
Whit that build I can kill: warrior, mesmer, ele, thief, other guardians, some engi spec and some ranger spec.
You must learn how to use it because at the begin you die quickly. Then you learn how to use the healing skill to protect you, while use the meditations, etc.
That’s the best DPS build I’ve ever try for pvp, expecially for tournaments.

Whit the GS you’ve some CC skills and mobility, high aoe damage (skill 2) and a signet to do combinations (4+3 and you obtain 4-5 sec of retalation and blind your enemy at distance). Then while you need to fight thief or necro you swap in sword+ocus to block enemy attacks whit 5 and blind them whit 4 and 2, obtain mobility and block proyectiles whit 3, giving them high damage. Whit 4 of focus you blind the enemy and clean conditions from you, it’s a very good skill.

pro:
-very high damage
-heal 1900 hp whit every meditation skill
-high mobility
-good block and blind skills

con:
-low hp
-low defence
-you must be quickly to kill enemy that use conditions or they kill you easy
-no ranged weapons

first of all
Ty for all the entries but its not like i never played all a single build y’all post especially yLOON geezz u’re talking like i’ve never done what u did.. please if u want to troll or being a scumbag feeling superior? not in this thread ,
what im looking to discuss here is not sharing a build neither i ever ask for
“could u share ur build plzzzz? ima noob! i died many times!” (but also i didn’t reject any build link u want to post as long as it match the subject-Radiance) did u even read this phrase?
there is no way we can fight 1vsX with a radiance + zerk set with a guard
or simply bursting down 1 people in very flash moment with ability to recover for next fight
or there is a way to do so? why did u even bother to post no radiance build
with ur build zerk set will only net 40-45% crit chance since guardian is lack of fury 40% is so little i’d better be full knight rather than wasting crit dmg for 40% chance
tell u what im not a huge fan of being punching bag but its just guardian best at currently there’s no chance u can win any bunker guard build with yloon build unless the bunker was noob

man.. i think i don’t need to tell everything bcs i’ll feel sounded like arrogant
but u pushed me ur build used to be my old time build but its way too old school u can see for urself at gw2db.com 2nd highest rate guardian http://www.gw2db.com/skill-builds/guardian there’s even people telling this build is bad, it used to be “stand ur ground” but i’ve changed it to contemplation purity, i’ve never update it again since january

i know every single build u all post and tried build ive been here playing guardian in this game since 3 days before headstarts (just not the spirit weapons)

ive been thru many instant kill dps guard but yet not as i play thief
yLoon said “recover and kill is impossible 2 terms” u got it wrong , maybe cus u never play other classes.

i cud burst down any bunker guard or heavy bunker condi necro or mesmer
with my thief while i can recover from lot conditions easily refresh to full health and start to backstab again or S/Ding without out of combat

thats not happening on guardian dps if u can stand 1vs3 bunker 80 i swear ill give u all my gold if u can do with yloon build i bet even maybe u can’t stand a single bunker condi spirit ranger

First, you don’t ~need~ radiance. Contrary to most people’s belief, Burst does not come from Crit and Crit Dmg…

Burst comes from having enough POWER to make the Crit and Crit Dmg hurt like a mother…

Otherwise, low power / high Crit/Dmg becomes very static… much like a pure Power Build.

Finding the Balance in every MMO is the sweet spot for your specific set up (IE, not all skills have the same coefficients).

I know you didn’t want “another build”… But I’ll post what works for me in WvW… I don’t care about PvE… it’s WAY to static of gameplay.

Here’s a variation of my z.defender build from the beginning of the year.

The key is the mobility. Use it to burst yourself out of the situation to give yourself some breathing room.

DPS / Burst play in WvW is much more about ebb and flow then straight up in your face… IE: FaceTanking. That’s your AH / Healway / Zerg Builds (or variations of those builds).

There’s plenty of burst in it and it’s not bound by the weapons, but i would ~highly~ recomend at least 2 mobility’s in the build… one to get in, and one to get out.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR8dlUgiDHEyKEfYFSWhC0WQli45ewFc9IhoIFC-jEyAYLBZCDE9JwJvhsm+iYZsIasKbMtLRUtMAMLA-w

If you feel you need more “tank”, swap out some gear. I would use Precision Stacks… If you feel you need more condi removal, run the Signet.

If you want less toughness and more raw power… hoelbrak runes.

If you feel the last 10 points in Valor is a waste, I’ve used them in Zeal for Focus Recharge (IE, part of our burst component)… or take them to Virtues for Indom. Courage (IE Stability for stomping)

If you’re wanting video’s of the gameplay, check out my sig.

Best wishes.

EDIT: We are not the best “Chasers”, so if someone is running, you need to switch targets because even though we can catch them, we lack the ~snares~ to keep on them until our mobility is back up.

Every other single class in the game has access to cripple/chill on a weapon set.

It is the single biggest failure of the class and it is not deserved.

Not to insult your english, but are you saying you want to make a burst build using zeal or radiance or both? I ask cuz I’m pretty much in your shoes as well (trying out radiance with this)

I’m pretty impressed by the look of those one hander builds. I’m looking at gear on black lion right now to try it out. I’m wondering though, since they’re burst builds, has anyone that tried those builds gone with +20% damage under aegis?

L o L OP you make me relate you as the angry German kids i watch moments ago. Chill man.

See even others agree with me
“Amins.3710
First, you don’t ~need~ radiance. Contrary to most people’s belief, Burst does not come from Crit and Crit Dmg…”

I still hit 2.6k with GS autoattack with this build. Thief is freshmeat for me. They are 90% dead once they are trap in Ring of Warding, except the Bow User which can teleport away.
You got mad cause your concept is such a flaw, more Radiance = More DPS, when i pointed that out, you rage instantly lol. So much for your headstart.

The term recovery doesnt appeal for a GUARD, that’s what i meant. I dont recover, i kill all normaly =) or i die hahaha.

The concept of ‘I want to blow everyone out of the water with amazing DPS yet still survive" is one that’s been floating around for ages and my reply to such a thing is this:

You will die.

However how much carnage and destruction you cause before you die is what defines a DPS Guardian. Back when I ran full DPS I used to port into groups and unleash AOE that dropped most people to a fraction of their HP and in a lot of cases killed them. It was a Kamikaze build and I died a lot but y’know what I was true DPS and I bloody loved every second of it

tanshiniza.8629:

The concept of ‘I want to blow everyone out of the water with amazing DPS yet still survive" is one that’s been floating around for ages and my reply to such a thing is this:

You will die.

However how much carnage and destruction you cause before you die is what defines a DPS Guardian. Back when I ran full DPS I used to port into groups and unleash AOE that dropped most people to a fraction of their HP and in a lot of cases killed them. It was a Kamikaze build and I died a lot but y’know what I was true DPS and I bloody loved every second of it

I don’t know if you’ve played other professions, but my experience is that it’s a lot easier to survive as a burst Guardian, compared to other professions. The Thief is the only profession that has an easier time surviving.

I’ve played all professions and I understand where you are coming from however are we talking pure Burst Guardian or a Hybrid? Because if Hybrid then you are absolutely correct I can do good burst damage while taking a pounding from up to 3 people and not breaking too much of a sweat over it.

Strange, shatter and phantasm mesmers have great burst yet don’t have problems surviving in full glass .. or at least I don’t and I wouldn’t even consider myself a good player.

tanshiniza.8629:

I’ve played all professions and I understand where you are coming from however are we talking pure Burst Guardian or a Hybrid? Because if Hybrid then you are absolutely correct I can do good burst damage while taking a pounding from up to 3 people and not breaking too much of a sweat over it.

I don’t know what you mean with “pure”. By burst I simply mean the ability to down a player within two seconds. What makes the Guardian a better survivor is boon generation, virtues, and healing, all wrapped up in heavy armor. Where other professions deal burst damage, and then runs way at low health, the Guardian can deal burst damage and still stay in the fight.

The Guardian rarely is able to down someone with the first 5-10 seconds of a fight like a true Burst style should. We are what you would call sustained DPS as in we can dish it out consistently over an extended period. When I say pure burst I mean those few guardian builds that sacrifice their survivability for that ability to drop someone in a few seconds like might stacking + 10% burn damage etc.

In reality the only classes that can truly ‘burst’ is the thief and warrior as they have the skills that can completely nuke a players health in seconds.

tanshiniza.8629:

The Guardian rarely is able to down someone with the first 5-10 seconds of a fight like a true Burst style should. We are what you would call sustained DPS as in we can dish it out consistently over an extended period. When I say pure burst I mean those few guardian builds that sacrifice their survivability for that ability to drop someone in a few seconds like might stacking + 10% burn damage etc.

In reality the only classes that can truly ‘burst’ is the thief and warrior as they have the skills that can completely nuke a players health in seconds.

I down foes within a couple of seconds all the time on my Guardian, and I still have over 1700 toughness and 16500 health. Feel free to try out my build, if you don’t want to take my word on it; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Burn-MF-Burn-Burst-Build/

Aye you’re running the build that I would define as a proper pure burst guardian that is capable of dropping people in a few seconds. However as I said before hand you’ve given up a lot in the way of survivability but in return you do get some impressive damage.

What is the usual skill rotation you use for this build? and also a lot of what you use is easily counter-able to those who have seen a guardian at work.

I have leveled every class to 80, and the one that has cost me the most money is the guardian. No matter what gear I use, no matter what spec I use, nothing seems to work.

But people keep saying how awesome guardians are, so I keep trying to get it right, but in reality, guardians are a lousy class that isn’t good at anything beyond standing the the middle of a group, and soaking damage with Altruistic Healing.

Sad, truly sad, damage. Sure you can spec for decent damage, but you’ll be squishier than a thief, and you will have no tools for survival, like escapes or stealth, or even a decent run speed, or heaven forbid a blind.

Sure you can spec to tank, but you’ll have no chance to kill anything, and are basically a boon-kitten for your group.

One of the best guardian skills is the aoe flame one for 30 points, but there is no way to get it and Altruistic Healing + Empowering might, so there’s no viable build that uses it, cause you can’t stand in the middle of the fight without AH+EM.

…and it’s a condition damage skill, as the top trait in a line that has nothing to do with conditions.

Stuff like that, has me putting guardians in the same category as rangers; sure they can do everything, but they just aren’t fun, and they always feel lacking.

Of course the big difference between the two is that every zerg/group want it’s boon giving meat-shields, and rangers are bordering on hated.

tanshiniza.8629:

The concept of ‘I want to blow everyone out of the water with amazing DPS yet still survive" is one that’s been floating around for ages and my reply to such a thing is this:

You will die.

However how much carnage and destruction you cause before you die is what defines a DPS Guardian. Back when I ran full DPS I used to port into groups and unleash AOE that dropped most people to a fraction of their HP and in a lot of cases killed them. It was a Kamikaze build and I died a lot but y’know what I was true DPS and I bloody loved every second of it

haha looks like someone having the same brain wave such as i xD High 5! Totally agree , i am like that too xD

Ezeriel.9574:

I have leveled every class to 80, and the one that has cost me the most money is the guardian. No matter what gear I use, no matter what spec I use, nothing seems to work.

But people keep saying how awesome guardians are, so I keep trying to get it right, but in reality, guardians are a lousy class that isn’t good at anything beyond standing the the middle of a group, and soaking damage with Altruistic Healing.

Sad, truly sad, damage. Sure you can spec for decent damage, but you’ll be squishier than a thief, and you will have no tools for survival, like escapes or stealth, or even a decent run speed, or heaven forbid a blind.

Sure you can spec to tank, but you’ll have no chance to kill anything, and are basically a boon-kitten for your group.

One of the best guardian skills is the aoe flame one for 30 points, but there is no way to get it and Altruistic Healing + Empowering might, so there’s no viable build that uses it, cause you can’t stand in the middle of the fight without AH+EM.

…and it’s a condition damage skill, as the top trait in a line that has nothing to do with conditions.

Stuff like that, has me putting guardians in the same category as rangers; sure they can do everything, but they just aren’t fun, and they always feel lacking.

Of course the big difference between the two is that every zerg/group want it’s boon giving meat-shields, and rangers are bordering on hated.

Add me up and i will show you what is Hitting everyone like a truck xD

Ezeriel.9574:

I have leveled every class to 80, and the one that has cost me the most money is the guardian. No matter what gear I use, no matter what spec I use, nothing seems to work.

But people keep saying how awesome guardians are, so I keep trying to get it right, but in reality, guardians are a lousy class that isn’t good at anything beyond standing the the middle of a group, and soaking damage with Altruistic Healing.

Sad, truly sad, damage. Sure you can spec for decent damage, but you’ll be squishier than a thief, and you will have no tools for survival, like escapes or stealth, or even a decent run speed, or heaven forbid a blind.

Sure you can spec to tank, but you’ll have no chance to kill anything, and are basically a boon-kitten for your group.

One of the best guardian skills is the aoe flame one for 30 points, but there is no way to get it and Altruistic Healing + Empowering might, so there’s no viable build that uses it, cause you can’t stand in the middle of the fight without AH+EM.

…and it’s a condition damage skill, as the top trait in a line that has nothing to do with conditions.

Stuff like that, has me putting guardians in the same category as rangers; sure they can do everything, but they just aren’t fun, and they always feel lacking.

Of course the big difference between the two is that every zerg/group want it’s boon giving meat-shields, and rangers are bordering on hated.

I usually hate handing out builds cause I’m selfish like that but give this a whirl. http://tinyurl.com/ktshvml

It’s all situational but I’ve tanked 3 people for 2 minutes while holding a point and I dropped 2 of them before the last one killed me

Have you ever seen Amins’ scepter burst videos? Thats the most burst I’ve ever seen from a “unique” guardian build in WvW. There are a few Greatsword burst videos that hit harder but they are on Risen Giants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttQ7bBkA8w

I’ve been playing with a build that I got for Gauntlet Farming that turned out to be pretty funny burst in WvW but it is horrible on survivability in bigger fights. 10/30/10/10/10 Bursty but delicate like paper.

man i’ll suggest you to give a look to this build

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h1|c.1g.h4.d.1g.h1|1g.7c.1g.7c.1c.7c.1g.7c.1p.7c.1g.7c|2s.0.21k.0.2s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0|0.5.u45b.u28b.5|39.1|w.17.19.18.1i|e

this one gives you the possibility to burst do someone and get survivability at the same time; just an example:

Shield of Wrath + VoJ + Save yourselves + leap of faith + whirling wrath
damage dealt: min 8k – max 18k (about) + burning
seconds required: 2sec
other bonuses: every boon + 6+ might stacks

tanshiniza.8629:

Aye you’re running the build that I would define as a proper pure burst guardian that is capable of dropping people in a few seconds. However as I said before hand you’ve given up a lot in the way of survivability but in return you do get some impressive damage.

What is the usual skill rotation you use for this build? and also a lot of what you use is easily counter-able to those who have seen a guardian at work.

No doubt that you have to give up some survivability. But you have to do that in any burst build. The point is, you can have very high damage on a Guardian, yet with more survivability then other professions.

The skill rotations are written under Tactics in the topic. The normal burst I use is Empower>Chains of Light>Smite>Zealot’s Flame (in melee range)>Zealot’s Fire>Cleansing Flame>Smite. Most burst builds are countable, if you’ve played against them enough. That’s why you have to wait for the right target, like a lion waiting for the weak prey, and then strike quickly. If an opponent sees me coming, I usually get right up in their face with Judge’s Intervention, to throw them off balance. I generally try to stay in melee range as much as possible, even though the build is ranged, just to confuse my opponent and force him to make mistakes. If you linger too much and give your opponents room, you will take too much damage, and be forced to use your defensive utilities too early. It’s a lot about timing.

You’re right there I am looking at this from my perspective where I can tell what an enemy Guardian is going to do because I’ve played the class for so long however caught off guard this combo is lethal and really fun. Another way to look at survivability is you can’t be killed if you’re target’s are all already dead.

Guardians can take a beating but so can warriors and other classes just avoid as much damage as they can through illusions or stealth so each have their own way of dealing with keeping the onslaught going.

Silv got me into this build

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-7Bl3d;0RFF30I3NG-90;9;49-T4O1;306B;108-LNV46;1G3G3G3G35BT

It’s the only burst build I’ve run that I feel like I’m applying adequate pressure.

Basically slot JI and Smite, save your 3rd for a precast dmg ability (sy or sprit weapon).
Stack your boons before you goin in:

smite > chains of light > focus 5 > Ray of Judgment -switch to mace- Virtue of Justice
JI > zealots flame > Symbol of Faith > Zealots Fire > Protector’s Strike > Smite Condition

Cleansing Flame (while kiting)