Guild Wars 2

I don’t think i ever won a 1v1 with an image spamming mesmer that somehow tears right thru me as if i am just another beserker build thief.

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

From my experience as a bunker guardian, the better player is the hard counter.
But mesmers and thiefs in general are somewhat annoying too.

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Wait, I have the opposite experience as med: I tear through mesmers and can’t do anything against mm necro.

redslion.9675:

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Wait, I have the opposite experience as med: I tear through mesmers and can’t do anything against mm necro.

It’s dependant on your spec. Without any significant AoE pressure, spirits/mm will outlast you. Medi-Guards don’t have too much AoE to begin with(outside of SC).

From what Iv’e experienced, good mesmer have the upper hand, guardian are slow and rely on gap closer to get closer. Good mesmer will use illusion, and will make you loose target easily which make it hard to use gap closer.

And yes, Bunker Retal guardian is a good counter to mesmer, but not always good enough.

About thief, I think DPS guard is a very nice counter to thieves, it’s the class I have less diffculty killing but, maybe it’s only because there is a lot of bad thieves.

redslion.9675:

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Wait, I have the opposite experience as med: I tear through mesmers and can’t do anything against mm necro.

I run GS/mace + torch meds in spvp, tons of AoE to deal with the pets. Issue with mesmers is that alot of them will sit off point and kill me, where as my build is much better suited for people that fight me on point.

Trice.4598:

From what Iv’e experienced, good mesmer have the upper hand, guardian are slow and rely on gap closer to get closer. Good mesmer will use illusion, and will make you loose target easily which make it hard to use gap closer.

And yes, Bunker Retal guardian is a good counter to mesmer, but not always good enough.

About thief, I think DPS guard is a very nice counter to thieves, it’s the class I have less diffculty killing but, maybe it’s only because there is a lot of bad thieves.

Second the thief thing. I don’t play bunker, like ever, and have not had too many issues with thieves. But, I also roamed ALOT in wvw, which I think really trained me on how to deal with thieves, since it was 90% of what you encountered back in the day. Knowing about the time they will come out of stealth and laying down the right skills right when they do is very key, so that way when they do come out they take a large beating right off the bat. because if they don’t they will just run away again.

Any encounter that the enemy can reset the fight is a loss for the guardian. Now, there are highly skilled guardians and I don’t think it will matter to them. Let us call them the 1%’ers whom I say can play naked and win.

However, the top of the bell curve or guardians who try well still lose more often than not to classes that can just reset and re-engage. Lack of any sustainable CC and Burst does that to a class

Yes. 15 characters.

Really good mesmer will kill you and are very hard to beat, however same level skill level mesmer are easier to handle. It also depends on what type of build the mesmer runs too.

On the plus side, most mesmers are more annoying than threatening. I’ll frequently ignore them as engage them. Just like chasing down Run-a-Way Warriors or wack-a-mole’ing Stealth Thieves you could better spend your time tattooing your own face with a blue ball-point pen for your Norn Cosplay for next years Comic-Con.

What. -pokes sig-

Charak.9761:

What. -pokes sig-

Bad players are bad :P

Yes, I play guardian as main but in pvp I hardly lose to guardian when playing mesmer.

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Hmm, I can sit here, and honestly say, that I don’t think I have ever lost a 1 v 1 to a Guardian on either my MM Necro or (Any Build) Ranger, in sPvP.

redslion.9675:

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Wait, I have the opposite experience as med: I tear through mesmers and can’t do anything against mm necro.

Same. I can’t do all too much against spirit rangers since by the time I get rid of their spirits, my offensive capabilities are far too kitten to go up against their evasion.

Short answer, yes.

It does depend a lot on the build/player too, if they are running a PU-Condition build, and have any idea what to do, you will loose that fight.

Monoman.2068:

redslion.9675:

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Wait, I have the opposite experience as med: I tear through mesmers and can’t do anything against mm necro.

Same. I can’t do all too much against spirit rangers since by the time I get rid of their spirits, my offensive capabilities are far too kitten to go up against their evasion.

I run a very heavy AoE build (gs/ M+T) so generally any minions that they had are gone in a single rotation. So that is why I generally don’t have issues with pet classes.