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Posted by: Bane.6941

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I’m experimenting with a combination of high armor, medium health and somewhat high DPS, any suggestions how I should go forth with this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVMQJARWl0ApVoNDxfH8DRBARlbREh2GAJAWxwVpAA-ThCBwA8Ur4sSQsKz8q0AnqKAeEAtWQIlugq7HE4KAAA-e

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Posted by: Aedrion.6483

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Okay a few tips from my end!

- First off, Force of Will, do not think this trait is bad like so many people say, it’s a beast trait. 300 vitality allows you to sink a LOT more into offensive stats.

- Knights gear, toughness is amazing for a guardian and both foods and Retributive Armour scale with toughness, if you have insane toughness in combat – I have ~ 2.4k you get like 5% crit chance and 100-200 power for free while along being tanky as hell!

- Berserker trinkets, just filling all you trinkers with berserker will give you lots of ferocity and even more crit chance!

- Don’t go into radiance, condition damage is worthless and signets are bad for a guardian.

- Not sure where you’ll run this but Signet of resolve is only good in PvE, use shelter otherwise, less healing yes, but shorter cooldown and completely blocking for 2 full seconds. Allows you to run through a giant fight and heal while doing so

- Don’t go too high in crit chance, 45% is a LOT and more will not really be noticable, I find, either way it’s also not worth going higher, if you have 45% crit chance and 2k power, unbuffed, you’ll hit like a truck.

Bunker dps guard is viable, but you need to use the synergies offered by the class to boost some stats ;-)

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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What game mode is this for? If PvE is among the answers, take full berserker gear and a hammer build from obal’s sticky. VoilĂ , massive DPS and still good tankiness (for the whole group, actually).

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Posted by: Adam Of Awesome.7802

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Posted by: Teckos.1305

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tip: on point fighter with symbol build(mase+X/gs or staff).

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Posted by: Doomdesire.9365

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Go with a meditation build and mix knights/zerker

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Posted by: Lucente.5071

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Try running Celestial gear with a 0/0/6/6/2 setup and exuberance runes. It basically Min/Maxes all the stats a guard needs while being tanky and having great dps.

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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Great DPS? Compared to what? A baby throwing cotton balls?

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Posted by: Lucente.5071

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Great DPS? Compared to what? A baby throwing cotton balls?

If you dont know why its good then you dont know kitten about guardian. The dps vs tanky is about as good as you will get. 21k hp 3k armor 2000 power (no might) 203% crit dam 40% crit chance and 800 healing. Cant ask for more than that. Obv full zerk is better but thats not what the OP asked for..

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Posted by: Gyler.8150

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Full zerker is durable enough, use focus offhand or hammer 1 spam. Shelter, virtues, retreat, elite. Hard to die when using all that.

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Posted by: ArchonWing.9480

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It really depends on what this build is being used for.

In PvE, the points in valor don’t do anything, so move them up to zeal for Fiery Wrath for way more damage. In a dungeon, you’ll need to replace a shout with reflect wall. Ditch the staff for a sword/focus.This is pretty much the entry level dps build, and zerker all is highly recommended.

If you are wvwing, move the points down to honor for dodge rolls and two handed mastery. Dodge rolls are good for group heals and keeping yourself alive. You can also split the 10 points for 3 honor/6 virtues and take indomitable courage for that oh so amazing stability.

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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If you dont know why its good then you dont know kitten about guardian. The dps vs tanky is about as good as you will get. 21k hp 3k armor 2000 power (no might) 203% crit dam 40% crit chance and 800 healing. Cant ask for more than that. Obv full zerk is better but thats not what the OP asked for..

Funny numbers – build or it didn’t happen (especially the power value). But anyway, such a build’s DPS still sucks massively.

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Posted by: SkylightMoon.1980

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If you dont know why its good then you dont know kitten about guardian. The dps vs tanky is about as good as you will get. 21k hp 3k armor 2000 power (no might) 203% crit dam 40% crit chance and 800 healing. Cant ask for more than that. Obv full zerk is better but thats not what the OP asked for..

Funny numbers – build or it didn’t happen (especially the power value). But anyway, such a build’s DPS still sucks massively.

I have a build with those exact stats but the traits are 0/0/30/30/10. The power is 1800 though, not 2k. I don’t know how he’d get 2k power, I spent quite a bit of time rebalancing stats and what not to try to find the perfect balance.

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Posted by: oZii.2864

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I have a build with those exact stats but the traits are 0/0/30/30/10. The power is 1800 though, not 2k. I don’t know how he’d get 2k power, I spent quite a bit of time rebalancing stats and what not to try to find the perfect balance.

This is the build they are talking about

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQJARSl0ApcoFCxaIEENR8QVVAgdS8fV61HRQkDA-TBDBwAGVewTdClKxWYCCwTAAnKLq0kkSHBjLBQCzPTUCKb/ByAoPGA-e

The rune of the dolyak gives great defensive stat spread if you don’t mind the terrible 6/6.

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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It obviously isn’t. Let me re-quote what build he claimed was doing the stuff:

Try running Celestial gear with a 0/0/6/6/2 setup and exuberance runes. It basically Min/Maxes all the stats a guard needs while being tanky and having great dps.

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Posted by: oZii.2864

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It obviously isn’t. Let me re-quote what build he claimed was doing the stuff:

Try running Celestial gear with a 0/0/6/6/2 setup and exuberance runes. It basically Min/Maxes all the stats a guard needs while being tanky and having great dps.

Ahh I must have missed that. I thought for sure it was that link the stats are similar just the HP is off thought the spread was pretty good.

This isn’t actually bad if you take that same build change it to celestial runes of exhuberence.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQJARSl0ApcoFCxaIEENR8QVVAgdS8fV61HRQkDA-TBCBABRv/gjKBJV9HAeCAmp8TFNJpojghLBAZA0HDA-e

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Posted by: Lucente.5071

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If you dont know why its good then you dont know kitten about guardian. The dps vs tanky is about as good as you will get. 21k hp 3k armor 2000 power (no might) 203% crit dam 40% crit chance and 800 healing. Cant ask for more than that. Obv full zerk is better but thats not what the OP asked for..

Funny numbers – build or it didn’t happen (especially the power value). But anyway, such a build’s DPS still sucks massively.

I have a build with those exact stats but the traits are 0/0/30/30/10. The power is 1800 though, not 2k. I don’t know how he’d get 2k power, I spent quite a bit of time rebalancing stats and what not to try to find the perfect balance.

Hi guys. Here is my build that I was referring to. You can change the food if you prefer something more offensive. I use this for roaming in WvW, its decent in PvE too but obv zerk is the way to go for that.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQJARGmIhIyaG7vw0rDuOA-TFCEABFv/ggKBxU9HtU+1nOAAeAAPcJA4TTQAgDghHOhHOwzP/8zP/cD/8wD/8wlCYJlRA-w

My guildy Kag and I spent a good amount of time putting this together.

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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So much about 2k power with the celestial junk …

And concerning DPS, the hammer meta will deal about double damage with the same food. No more word on “great dps”.

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Posted by: Lucente.5071

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So much about 2k power with the celestial junk …

And concerning DPS, the hammer meta will deal about double damage with the same food. No more word on “great dps”.

Might want to take another look bud bloodlust puts you at 2k power. I really dont understand the point your trying to make this is about as good as your going to get.

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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Oh yeah, bloodlust. So a real build will sit at 3000 power under the same conditions and still deal double damage. The point is pretty simple: Your build does deal DPS like a baby throwing cotton balls.

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Posted by: Lucente.5071

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K show me your 3k power build and ill pick holes in for days

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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Ok, it’s only 2800 power. Guess I threw in Bane Signet by accident, which would lift it to 3k but is too situational. Still more than enough to do double damage.

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Posted by: zaw.6741

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hm..id say drop valor as its crap in pve, go full zerker gear for more dps (that bit of toughness knights/cavalier got isnt worth it). get shelter, when you get used to it you wont ever go back to signet.
here’s what i use for pugging dungs everyday
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVUQNAR8dlsApVo9CxZI8DRR8Ql7Y8i2+BtQVBAWPBA-TRCBABQcgCqU9nzUCilyPAeIAVt/QKaYyT3QAXBgAAIA38mZz2M4oH9oH9oHtJOxJOxJOxhAgC-e
if you play only pve, get some dps rune for pve (scholar/strength/cheap ruby orbs) if you also play wvw and cant afford 2 sets, just stick with troopers

and for wvw zerg:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVUQJARWlsApVo9CxUI8DNRCRl9+9fBI2fQIkCXFAA-TBDBABap0AiDUQlq/glys0UCCwjAQFNBVt/QKaYY4IAEwFAQPdABAQAc0je0je0j2RP6RP6RnYZAMHDA-e