Guild Wars 2

Ok so it’s not as bad as I thought it would be. Yes the name still makes no sense….but anyways.

Longbow skills.
I personally think the auto attack needs a buff, looked much weaker then a ranger and without the pet tanking we need a little more damage even though the arrow can pierce one enemy behind.

2 skill looked pretty nice. Good damage. Aoe power shot I can live with.

3 skill shoots an arrow that blocks projectiles and causes blind. Still have our blind which is nice!

4 skill the ground targeting trap? Gives allies vigor and burns foes. I think this will be sort of useless with the new f1 skill, really just gives allies vigor.

The 5 skill. As shown in the preview a barrage that locks up to 5 people in a fence. Looks great but video showed a 60 second cooldown. If that’s the case way to long.

Overall I did like the longbow but I ton it needs some tweaking. Coming from being an open world pver I have nothing good to say about the heal, or the traps, or elite skill.

Heal will be useless unless approaching bosses in melee and dropping it down other traps did nice aoe damage, fast cast times, great stacks of bleeds and vunurability. However will be awful in pve. Amazing in wvw though I think.

What’s your thoughts on what you saw?

are you kidding me? the auto attack is amazing

are you kidding me? the auto attack is 1200 range and does 1.6k on heavy and 1.8k on medium

I am super excited for these changes. so many conditions and cc possibilities.

lighter.2708:

are you kidding me? the auto attack is 1200 range and does 1.6k on heavy and 1.8k on medium

I was seeing 1200 crits? And only 400 to 600 max on non crits?

The trap combos you can do is pretty amazing. The condi damage makes me excited to try it.

Really liked traps seeing them in action. Both some traits and skills definitely are cool with some nice applications in PvP and Dungeons.

Still don’t like the name. When they said they take the role of witch hunters, my immediate thought was Inquisitor so something like that would be much cooler.

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

DarkusRogue.3027:

The trap combos you can do is pretty amazing. The condi damage makes me excited to try it.

Truthfully a condition dragonhunter with traps in pvp……I wouldn’t go near the point they control

Where the people complaining now? LOL

StickerHappy.8052:

Where the people complaining now? LOL

Wait for it. I’m still digesting the live stream. But I’m sure I’ll have something to whine about shortly.

StickerHappy.8052:

Where the people complaining now? LOL

The Name still Sucks, it doesn’t fit, and is bound to confuse outsiders, or new players coming into the game.

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

StickerHappy.8052:

Where the people complaining now? LOL

The class does for sure look cool, I just think people like myself in open world pve may not enjoy the traps other then that though the lb looks to be a solid weapon. Plus the knock backs and new f1 and f2 skills though will work nice paired with lb.

After watching the stream i love the changes and cant wait to play him BUT i still think the name is out of place and that traps should be renamed to wards or something like that to fit the Guardian theme.

Glaurung.1076:

After watching the stream i love the changes and cant wait to play him BUT i still think the name is out of place and that traps should be renamed to wards or something like that to fit the Guardian theme.

After seeing the “traps” I think they are only called traps so they won’t need to make there own runes. Was just a symbol on the ground. Looked like necromancer staff skills

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

All im gonna say are those traps are Nucking Futs and GL trying to decap whatever there holding…

4,3k Burn a Chieftain killed in 3-4s says all

StickerHappy.8052:

Where the people complaining now? LOL

Merged into the “Dragonhunter” name thread, but don’t worry. The name is still terrible.

Ravezaar.4951:

4,3k Burn a Chieftain killed in 3-4s says all

yes finally condi dmg par with direct dmg

Did anyone get the 3rd longbow skill so I can add to op?

Not sure how I missed it

thoughts on livestream…lets see…

RIP LB RANGERS

aoe burning ticking for 4k+ is all we needed in this game…. might as well handle everyone 2 spells, 1 one shots enemy + 1 blocks 1shot from enemy

Full thing is here. http://dulfy.net/2015/05/08/gw2-dragonhunter-ready-up-livestream-notes/

Deflecting shot, 10 second cooldown. 4s blind. range 1200

Cynz.9437:

aoe burning ticking for 4k+ is all we needed in this game…. might as well handle everyone 2 spells, 1 one shots enemy + 1 blocks 1shot from enemy

Well, that’s so grossly OP that I’m sure it’s going to get nerfed. Probably they haven’t settled on the new burning damage yet.

I like how this looks, the only bad thing i got from the stream are the ridiculous visual effects that clutter the screen. The biggest offender is the ray of judgment trap (forgot the actual name, the one that pulses vulnerability in a beam), it just seams unnecessary.

Imagine 3 dragonhunters (i want it renamed to zerghunter for reasons) laying down 3 roj traps and then a bunch of people trigger them all at once.

messiah.1908:

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

Were you the one who said that medi guard will never be viable in serioure tPvP
or like hammer will be useless in tPvP
or even before that Zerker guardian will never be viable in tPvP.

I’m sure you are the ones who do this kind of stuff.

My only problem with traps is that they don’t trigger against structures (Tequatal, TT, etc) other than that they were amazing espeially since the guardians only had 3 utilities that dealt direct damage until now.

lighter.2708:

messiah.1908:

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

Were you the one who said that medi guard will never be viable in serioure tPvP
or like hammer will be useless in tPvP
or even before that Zerker guardian will never be viable in tPvP.

I’m sure you are the ones who do this kind of stuff.

i am the one who test builds and went with carrion hybrid in tpvp before you even thought of it in your dreams…

Hammer/LB , gs/lb meta inc. Personally 2 traps are good (aoe vuln and whirl thingy). Elite is also good.
LB autoattack is okish.
2# is good but need to stay in 1 place.
3# is ok, blind plus block.
4# is good symbol dmg.
5# is Good too but too long CD (they could decrease cd but nerf it a little – it is the longest cd out there on weapons)

heal skill is useless. (block is better but wait and see for the beta)

Sylent.3165:

Glaurung.1076:

After watching the stream i love the changes and cant wait to play him BUT i still think the name is out of place and that traps should be renamed to wards or something like that to fit the Guardian theme.

After seeing the “traps” I think they are only called traps so they won’t need to make there own runes. Was just a symbol on the ground. Looked like necromancer staff skills

They could fix that by just changing the runes to apply to “wards” (or whatever they should rename them) too.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/657282112

It’s up for those that missed it

Ragnarox.9601:

Hammer/LB , gs/lb meta inc. Personally 2 traps are good (aoe vuln and whirl thingy). Elite is also good.
LB autoattack is okish.
2# is good but need to stay in 1 place.
3# is ok, blind plus block.
4# is good symbol dmg.
5# is Good too but too long CD (they could decrease cd but nerf it a little – it is the longest cd out there on weapons)

heal skill is useless. (block is better but wait and see for the beta)

Agreed for most part lol. I dunno how the heck this heal is going to work for pve at all.

How am I going to heal during any champion at range?

The “Test of Faith” (the one where the swords spring up and stop you from leaving) seems pretty situational, but could offer some great play where you put all but the healing skill down, but Dragon’s Maw looks like an outright better version of it. They’d have 25 stacks of vulnerability combined with a high damage whirling and unable to leave if you use Dragon’s Maw + Procession of Blades + Light’s Judgement. Highly useful when stacking IMO. The new dungeon meta could be Shelter + WoR + Procession of Blades + Light’s Judgement and Dragon’s Maw.

Sylent.3165:

Ragnarox.9601:

Hammer/LB , gs/lb meta inc. Personally 2 traps are good (aoe vuln and whirl thingy). Elite is also good.
LB autoattack is okish.
2# is good but need to stay in 1 place.
3# is ok, blind plus block.
4# is good symbol dmg.
5# is Good too but too long CD (they could decrease cd but nerf it a little – it is the longest cd out there on weapons)

heal skill is useless. (block is better but wait and see for the beta)

Agreed for most part lol. I dunno how the heck this heal is going to work for pve at all.

How am I going to heal during any champion at range?

I guess just don’t use that heal in pve? it might be a little better if they made that one ground target.

Traps have too long CD and don’t get much traited benefits,actually the elite specialisation traits look basic. The potential is there tough.

Sounds quite amazing for wvw/pvp.
+Really nice aoe burst damage (4.2k burn and 2.4k bleed right?)
+We finally get more cc, even though most of it is point blank aoe.
+Traps should be invisible for enemies finally.
+Anti invisibility trap and snare traps, great for ambushes and tactical preparation.
+Stealth for us.
~Trap heal needs your enemies to walk over it to trigger the 6,4k heal. Initial heal is 1.5k. Quite powerful if it’s triggered, but nigh worthless if they don’t trigger it.
-Tether looks quite bad, as a single movement skill will end it.

For pve though, it’s pretty much useless.
-The bow shines more against a pack of monsters, but most pve content is vs one boss.
-Defiance means most bosses won’t care about our new caging mechanics either.
-Far too lengthy cooldowns on utilities/longbow 5 (45s-60s).
-Condi damage is still in a bad spot for pve due to a lack of damage conditions on weapon skills.
-Heavy light is going to be the pinnacle of open world trolling.
+Fragment of faith, 5x aegis for solo play? along with the burn on block trait? should be very interesting for solo runs.

messiah.1908:

lighter.2708:

messiah.1908:

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

Were you the one who said that medi guard will never be viable in serioure tPvP
or like hammer will be useless in tPvP
or even before that Zerker guardian will never be viable in tPvP.

I’m sure you are the ones who do this kind of stuff.

i am the one who test builds and went with carrion hybrid in tpvp before you even thought of it in your dreams…

arent you the one who gets shet talked by Helseth for being a, and i quote, “complete crap” in PvP. indeed i never thought of it in my dream.

GS on guardian is lacking some real CC, the specialization could really change the PvP scenario and not to mention the extra mobility and also I could see a good condition build arising as well.

I wonder how they’ll balance these for wvw – some of them look insanely powerful ( especially if the tomes also get the proposed rework ).
Test of faith for instance doing 2×3k of damage to everyone in a zerg as they run through the door of the keep

lighter.2708:

messiah.1908:

lighter.2708:

messiah.1908:

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

Were you the one who said that medi guard will never be viable in serioure tPvP
or like hammer will be useless in tPvP
or even before that Zerker guardian will never be viable in tPvP.

I’m sure you are the ones who do this kind of stuff.

i am the one who test builds and went with carrion hybrid in tpvp before you even thought of it in your dreams…

arent you the one who gets shet talked by Helseth for being a, and i quote, “complete crap” in PvP. indeed i never thought of it in my dream.

yes i am bit famous now thanks to helseth of trying out builds and comparing them to the meta
helseth said it on the condi mesmer build (maybe on my game also. dont care) . so maybe he would think of this condi guard also as crap.

but w8 and see what others will get

have you play condi hybrid guard at all?

Longbow is just flat out amazing. Lower the cooldown on 5 and it’s just amazing-er.

traps in wvw can be great for roaming with traps rune and hybrid dmg

in group you wanna take power zerk and direct dmg abilities

in pvp with all the cc of the ele, engi, hammer warrior, dont know if it would shift to the guardian

but sure i can see now hammer/lb with vulnerability trap for insane cc lockdown for 12 sec with huge dmg. combine with meditation

i expect it to get nerfed since it seems to strong in its current incarnation. they even said its good to start strong and whittle down.

besides that overall the skill functionality looks great. but yeah those numbers will be nerfed no doubt about it.

I personally love the visual effects of the new skills. They may obstruct some view of the Dragonhunter’s character animations but the visual effects of the skills are all VERY unique and easily identifiable.

The name now makes sense after they explain it.
Guardians become some kind of Witch-Hunter, which is fitting for the profession.
However, since there are no Witches in Tyria, they named it Dragon-Hunter instead.
Witches were once considered a source of evil. In Tyria though, Dragons currently hold that position.

This is like asking why there is no “Guild Wars” in Guild Wars. The game was named Guild Wars for a different Lore-related reason.

Sylent.3165:

Ok so it’s not as bad as I thought it would be. Yes the name still makes no sense….but anyways.

Longbow skills.
I personally think the auto attack needs a buff, looked much weaker then a ranger and without the pet tanking we need a little more damage even though the arrow can pierce one enemy behind.

2 skill looked pretty nice. Good damage. Aoe power shot I can live with.

3 skill shoots an arrow that blocks projectiles and causes blind. Still have our blind which is nice!

4 skill the ground targeting trap? Gives allies vigor and burns foes. I think this will be sort of useless with the new f1 skill, really just gives allies vigor.

The 5 skill. As shown in the preview a barrage that locks up to 5 people in a fence. Looks great but video showed a 60 second cooldown. If that’s the case way to long.

Overall I did like the longbow but I ton it needs some tweaking. Coming from being an open world pver I have nothing good to say about the heal, or the traps, or elite skill.

Heal will be useless unless approaching bosses in melee and dropping it down other traps did nice aoe damage, fast cast times, great stacks of bleeds and vunurability. However will be awful in pve. Amazing in wvw though I think.

What’s your thoughts on what you saw?

I must say I am extremely disappointed in the guardian elite spec. Even the best features trait wise and skill wise seem lackluster. This all after they dropped chronometer on us. They did such a great job with that elite spec. traitwise, skillwise, everything (the name included) just made sense and left you eager to play it. Why no love for us guardians =(. I main guardian and was epically saddened by the live stream. This whole concept of traps on a guardian makes no sense. It feels like it was something they were working on for rangers didnt like it and so edited slightly for guardians. They could do much better.

Spear of justice looks nice.

Wings of resolve was kind of disappointing, was really hoping for a reduced CD or increased healing given the nerf to the AOE size on the heal.

Shield of courage looked nice.

Puncture shot looked alright, damage was a little low however.

True shot looked fantastic.

Deflecting shot seemed really niche. Would be nice if they made it block projectiles & count as a block instead of simply destroying projectiles.

Symbol of energy, liked the damage & the burn. But vigor ? I think retaliation would be better.

Hunters ward. Would much prefer an immobilize over a ward (stability makes wards a joke). The CD also seemed excessive for something that could be by & large avoided.

Purification, don’t like relying on an enemy to trigger a heal. It also discourages leaving a point where you set it up.

Fragments of faith, looked nice & could have nice synergy with traits. CD was a bit excessive. (maybe lower number of fragments for lower CD)

Test of Faith, Looked intrusting. Again though CD seemed excessive given that its just a damage & cripple (maybe add in some bleeding at base or lower the CD.)

Procession of Blades, looked quite nice. Again however CD seemed excessive (why are they all so long)

Lights Judgment. Finally one worth the CD.

Dragons Maw. Love most of it but again stability will make it moot. Would be great if it did immobilize instead of a ward/barrier.

Mechanics are fine, I actually liked the entire LB skillset, and the traps look visually appealing.. and they might prove interesting to play, can’t complain that much..

But the spec name is still dreadful and impossible to deal with..