Guild Wars 2

I was gong to call this triad [b]“Not another PU triad”[/b/] but the name used is more appropriate.

I am tired and I am guessing am not the only one here that is also tired of see another PU triad on the forum; whether its a build, please nerf, how Over Powered, or what will happen to PU after tomorrow. Even post with new build, please help, or check this out, all still have some kind of PU included, and if not, someone will point them to using PU. This is a bad way of thinking, boring and it is also not helping the class or helping new players interested in the class.

It is that bad that some players refuses to take it and even look down on those that pick and use it, I know I am guilty of this.

I just went through a triad on “Things you hate seeing other Mez do” and majority of the complain is PU PU PU.

If the dev cannot see that this one trait is doing so much harm to the class, I don’t know what to say. Are we saying this trait is the bread and butter of all builds and the class???

With the up coming changes, Do I think this will change anything? will there be more or less triad about PU on the forum? I really don’t know right now, but from what am reading and seeing, I don’t think this will stop. We could even see an increase in PU triad.

If any Dev is reading this, the PU trait needs to be revisited not on it own, but under a build condition to see how powerful it can be or it is.

Like some said, PU is a cancer.

I know some people are saying clone death nerf will push people even more into PU, but I’m guessing we will see less PU because of the nerfs. It will be basically the same it is now, except significantly less tanky and significantly less damaging. So basically it we be even easier to ignore and take even longer to kill someone who doesn’t ignore you, and on top of that you’ll have to work even harder to stay alive. It’s going to be a pretty kittenin horrible build to run, so only the most diehard PUers will. I’ve run it before and I’m not a hater on the trait, but I’m sure not ever gonna bother with it again after the nerfs, it is just going to suck.

Edit: PU condi I mean, I guess PU power will basically still work the same with a nerf to defense, but that isn’t where all the QQ is coming from.

If I were you, just play what you want. Why would you even bother making a thread like this?

First of all if you find PU boring, no one is forcing you to use PU.

The real cancer here is people like you.

StickerHappy.8052:

If I were you, just play what you want. Why would you even bother making a thread like this?

First of all if you find PU boring, no one is forcing you to use PU.

The real cancer here is people like you.

Please read the post again before commenting.

Firstly, I never said PU was boring, more the million and one post about the build is becoming boring. It not helping anyone nor the new players of the class

Secondly, I am making this post so that people and devs alike can see that the trait it self has caused or is causing a lot of problem for the class. And before you say we all know about it, this post is just to enforce it some more.

And who say I don’t play what I want to play?

Saying that I am the cancer for making this post show that you sir/ma don’t really take the time, care to read and understand what people are writing before you reply. If you cannot see that PU trait is a problem than I have no words to say to you.

With the change tomorrow, I believe PU will come into better balance overall and thus QQ will be minimal. Build diversity will skyrocket as people explore new builds with the new PU. In addition, we’ll see fresh build exploration around not only the new PU, but also from the buffs and bug fixes.

That I am much looking forward to, and where I’ll be sowing my energies.

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

StickerHappy.8052:

If I were you, just play what you want. Why would you even bother making a thread like this?

First of all if you find PU boring, no one is forcing you to use PU.

The real cancer here is people like you.

Please read the post again before commenting.

Firstly, I never said PU was boring, more the million and one post about the build is becoming boring. It not helping anyone nor the new players of the class

Secondly, I am making this post so that people and devs alike can see that the trait it self has caused or is causing a lot of problem for the class. And before you say we all know about it, this post is just to enforce it some more.

And who say I don’t play what I want to play?

Saying that I am the cancer for making this post show that you sir/ma don’t really take the time, care to read and understand what people are writing before you reply. If you cannot see that PU trait is a problem than I have no words to say to you.

Don’t you think it’s pretty ironic to make a post complaining about too many posts about PU? I mean you’re literally adding another post about PU to the forum right now lol. The devs did take a look at PU, and they did serious nerf PU condi. If you want more that’s another issue, but when have you seen Anet address something and then do it more because some players didn’t think they went far enough. This ship has sailed, and I think you know you’re going to have to wait a) till after the patch tomorrow to actually see what happens to PU condi builds and b) another six months or so till next balance patch. Probably best to just chill it on the forum posting over PU and actually see what the situation is after the patch. Come back in a month and make this post again if nothing has changed.

Yup PU is like cancer:

-everyone is rolling Mesmer from other classes
-all those Mesmers are traiting PU
-PU is slowly spreading and taking over all game modes

Warriors, Guardians and Elementalists will soon be swallowed by the cancer that is PU due to PU incredible versatility and domination across all game modes.

All I see in chat these days “lfg PU Mesmer speed run!” and “PU Mesmers take the Vanguard, we are going to push through the zerg! More Ethereal fields!” and “Leave a PU Mesmer to hold all 3 points! Easy win!”

/sarcasm

I swear mesmer’s are straight masochists.. stop asking for nerfs to your own class, geez. You’re supposed to be QQing about thieves and warriors like the rest of the community.

StickerHappy.8052:

If I were you, just play what you want. Why would you even bother making a thread like this?

First of all if you find PU boring, no one is forcing you to use PU.

The real cancer here is people like you.

Wonderfully worded.

These posts are a cancer on this forum. Non-stop complaining about a particular trait and playstyle? People need to learn to just suck it up and play better, learn to counter, learn to avoid, and quit moaning about it all the time. We’d all be better off for it.

Personally I am all for the PU trait change itself, however the scepter change is the real cancer and combined with the fact staff will have double its condi output after patch will just be too much.

Fay.2357:

People need to learn to just suck it up and play better, learn to counter, learn to avoid, and quit moaning about it all the time. We’d all be better off for it.

Never happening, dude. Kinda goes with ANet’s referring to their own game as “casual.”
The term itself effectively defaults the entire setup to being continually retconned for the benefit of the “Lowest Common Denominator.”

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

If the dev cannot see that this one trait is doing so much harm to the class, I don’t know what to say. Are we saying this trait is the bread and butter of all builds and the class???

Please explain what harm is being done to the class, or offer any argument of any kind as to why you think PU is “bad” or “a problem” at all. Because right now your post contains nothing but tears and hyperbole, only there’s no justification as to why. Saying PU is a cancer doesn’t help either.

I’m just going to apply this-

Fay.2357:

StickerHappy.8052:

If I were you, just play what you want. Why would you even bother making a thread like this?

First of all if you find PU boring, no one is forcing you to use PU.

The real cancer here is people like you.

Wonderfully worded.

These posts are a cancer on this forum. Non-stop complaining about a particular trait and playstyle? People need to learn to just suck it up and play better, learn to counter, learn to avoid, and quit moaning about it all the time. We’d all be better off for it.

To this also-

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Personally I am all for the PU trait change itself, however the scepter change is the real cancer and combined with the fact staff will have double its condi output after patch will just be too much.

Same stuff, different trait/aspect/whatever.

From this point on i would recommend every mesmer never to post their good build on this forum ever again. for simple reasons: when it become main stream every one want to nerf it, especially mesmer forum, even thou it feel exactly like fighting with a stealth blind thief, tanky staff ele, worst yet it’s not even effective on holding points or wvw.
And lastly Anet not only going to nerf this build but they also nerf every build just because of PU build

My opinion on PU as a trait is that its OP when using a condition build combined with clone death traits which allows you to play passive and add constant pressure with clones and death clones, and at the same time you gain all that defensive boons.

For a power build i think it is good trait, but not OP, IMO the only reliable defensive trait available for power builds. Furthermore, in a power build while u stealth u cannot add pressure to enemys, which is a big difference with condition PU build.

Debuti.6017:

My opinion on PU as a trait is that its OP when using a condition build combined with clone death traits which allows you to play passive and add constant pressure with clones and death clones, and at the same time you gain all that defensive boons.

For a power build i think it is good trait, but not OP, IMO the only reliable defensive trait available for power builds. Furthermore, in a power build while u stealth u cannot add pressure to enemys, which is a big difference with condition PU build.

Your opinion based on what evidence? That you personally do well with the build, consistently die to it or simply do not like the play style does not make it OP. So what exactly is condi PU too good at that leads you to form this opinion? Zerging? sPvP? Dungeons? It seems like the new definition of OP is “OMG I can’t kill this right away, and occasionally I blow all my CD’s and die to it OP!”

Feaduin.7603:

Debuti.6017:

My opinion on PU as a trait is that its OP when using a condition build combined with clone death traits which allows you to play passive and add constant pressure with clones and death clones, and at the same time you gain all that defensive boons.

For a power build i think it is good trait, but not OP, IMO the only reliable defensive trait available for power builds. Furthermore, in a power build while u stealth u cannot add pressure to enemys, which is a big difference with condition PU build.

Your opinion based on what evidence? That you personally do well with the build, consistently die to it or simply do not like the play style does not make it OP. So what exactly is condi PU too good at that leads you to form this opinion? Zerging? sPvP? Dungeons? It seems like the new definition of OP is “OMG I can’t kill this right away, and occasionally I blow all my CD’s and die to it OP!”

well I think we all know that it is OP as a roamer build and 1 vs 1 situations . I don’t blame for people using it, I played that build for months, and I occasionally do (now I use a power build), so I can say that it is OP when using PU condition build. That said, it is obvious that 1 vs 1 roamer duels does not affect WvW outcome….
For the record, and I am totally against this PU nerf. Clone death nerf was enough for me.

I never understood why anyone would take PU when CI is so much more fun!!

Once upon a time, Mesmer was strong enough that traiting in PU was laughed off the forums as being too kitten . How far we’ve fallen.

Don’t remind me, Norseman. Back in those days, we had … dear Gods! … a working Glamour spec.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

If the dev cannot see that this one trait is doing so much harm to the class, I don’t know what to say. Are we saying this trait is the bread and butter of all builds and the class???

Please explain what harm is being done to the class, or offer any argument of any kind as to why you think PU is “bad” or “a problem” at all. Because right now your post contains nothing but tears and hyperbole, only there’s no justification as to why. Saying PU is a cancer doesn’t help either.

Really what is there to write about that has not been written already. Anyway am not going to start writing chapters after chapters why that trait has cause so much ham to the class.

As to the up coming update, I still believe that PU will still be a problem. Yes it may have been nerf, but that doesn’t stop the potent of the trait, and now with the added might to it? Let just wait and see if i have to eat my words.

If am wrong I will make a post and take everything I have said back.

If it’s only 1 stack of Might? That’s worth approximately frack-all. As is, ,even if it’s a few stacks, that’s still nothing to write home about. It’s not like Mesmers can stack Might like -say- Warr/Guard/Ele, or anything.
And that also dilutes the overall PU Boon-pool. Although, tbh, I agree with those who say it should prolly be Vigor instead. Y’know, a defensive Boon.

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

If the dev cannot see that this one trait is doing so much harm to the class, I don’t know what to say. Are we saying this trait is the bread and butter of all builds and the class???

Please explain what harm is being done to the class, or offer any argument of any kind as to why you think PU is “bad” or “a problem” at all. Because right now your post contains nothing but tears and hyperbole, only there’s no justification as to why. Saying PU is a cancer doesn’t help either.

Really what is there to write about that has not been written already. Anyway am not going to start writing chapters after chapters why that trait has cause so much ham to the class.

I haven’t seen much in the way of ‘why’. I’ve seen an awful lot in the way of ‘I got beaten by PU and so I think it’s OP’, or ‘It seems cool to use the word cancer and yell about PU, so I’ll do it too’, or ’I’m going to whine about PU for no specific reason at all, but I feel offended that this trait exists’.

I think this post falls into the….second category with a sprinkling of both the first and the third. Basically, it’s completely useless whining with no backing, no reasoning, no logic, and certainly no substance. Posts like this are the real cancer in this forum, not PU.

Edit: And seriously it’s ‘thread’, not ‘triad’. That’s as bad as those people making the complaints threads about engineer ‘turrents’.

idk what a triad is. :/

I think s/he meant “tirade;” a “triad” is something that is a group of three, whether is is people, items, or similarly related ideas.

Yeah, I know what it means in English. haha I just don’t get the context here and was super confused. He must have meant tirade.

He meant “Thread”.

I do like that he has a PU build in his sig.

DaShi.1368:

I do like that he has a PU build in his sig.

LOL

Fay.2357:

DaShi.1368:

I do like that he has a PU build in his sig.

LOL

^^ the mesmer community always surprises me

All this PU hate. :|

Seriously, the “issues” with PU are small in the grand steaming pile of issues with the Mesmer class overall…

Where is that beaten dead horse gif at…

That’s a very good question, blakdoxa.

Cool you don’t say toxic you say cancer. Kitten kitten kitten kitten!! Meox Mix you kitten tiger panther kitten.

- I never said I hate PU, just saying it a problem, which it still is after the update, even at this early days.
- I don’t mind playing against a PU play, in actual fact, I bet PU in most cases. The problem is that in pvp, and low rank spvp and tpvp, all I come across are PU mez players, which kind of says a lot for the class.
- My sig has always been there for a long time now, don’t feel the need to change it just because PU is a problem.
- English is not my native specking language if you must know, I am playing from Africa.

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

- I never said I hate PU, just saying it a problem, which it still is after the update, even at this early days.
- I don’t mind playing against a PU play, in actual fact, I bet PU in most cases. The problem is that in pvp, and low rank spvp and tpvp, all I come across are PU mez players, which kind of says a lot for the class.
- My sig has always been there for a long time now, don’t feel the need to change it just because PU is a problem.
- English is not my native specking language if you must know, I am playing from Africa.

To be honest, when i solo que, I dnt see any mesmers run PU all that much. 3/10 at the most. but thats just me.