Guild Wars 2

So I play shatter mesmer during tpvp’s quite a lot.
Alltho I feel I have to back of to warrior way too much.
I’ve been having a lot of troubles with sword/dagger thiefs,
if not thiefs in general. but let’s say sword/dagger thiefs in particular.

It’s a pain in the kitten when you see that all the shatters get avoided by dodges, if not by dodges, they’ll just run from them (as they have like almost perma swiftness with dodges) and then jump back on you.

I feel like if I meet up an experienced sword/dagger thief, there’s not much I can do.
I’m wondering if you guys feel the same pain as I do. Or got anything to counter it. Keep in mind that I’m a shatter mesmer, running tournaments, so I find switching out utility skills quite useless as I want to be usefull for the team.

Suggestions, tricks and hints are welcome

Thief is f’ed up. I tried fighting them with shatter but got the same results as you said. That’s most of the time too. You’re not alone bro.

i would give you some advice but I’m an average mesmer.

I find Mantra of Distraction (bec its instant) really helpful with CI, when they attack you up close, a well timed interrupt roots them into place, dazes them so they can’t use skills and giving you an opportunity to burst them. (this is coming from a lockdown perspective btw.)

But overall it will be a very hard fight. the s/d variant especially.

Yeah.. The mantra of distraction might give me a chance, altho they got tons of stun breakers aswell. Well not tons, but enough to break through the mantra :/

But immo is a condition, so stun breakers wont work.

S/D thieves 500% counter mesmers at the moment. You can beat one! but if you beat an S/D thief then he should uninstall. The build allows them to constantly gap close on us, which is one of our main forms of defence, and in their opening sequence they can drop us to 50% and poison us. That is why it’s hard to fight them, because you cannot predict instant teleports, so you have to engage them first…which is a stupid idea, or predict how they will react.

I have now started raking mirror images just so I can wreck thieves who teleport away with a blink shatter combo, it is my main goal to beat them whenever at the moment. Also just duel top S/D thieves in the duelling servers, because despite what the “pros” tell you on here about which builds counter them! good S/D thieves wont lose to any Mesmer build,

Vindex! Get back on your warrior, kitten.

Ovid! No, I’ll keep on playing mesmer just to annoy the kitten out of you

There is not much you can do with thieves. You need to seriously outplay them to win or get your team to peel for you.
Your job is to put pressure on mid and thieves job is to eliminate that pressure.
You do your job extremely well. Thief does it’s job extremely well.
Thieves are much easier if you have sword + x..

Jurica.1742:

Your job is to put pressure on mid and thieves job is to eliminate that pressure.

What if I told you you should only be at mid to quickly down squishy classes. A Mesmers role in a team fight is boon stripping and spike damage, you shouldn’t be hanging around mid to add pressure. Mesmer and Thief to be honest both have the same role, pressure far and the enemy roamer, which unfortunately will be a thief.

i found that staff is insanely effective against s/d thieves, use 2 when they r about to hit u

if they r gonna do it from range then use shadowstep, u still can see them gliding a bit to side before they teleport, u gotta watch for those, chaos storm is great as well, but note, aegis doesnt protect u from the 2nd chain of their dual skill

i actually had a rly long fight against an experienced s/d thief in obsidian sanctum , i was in nearly full zerker gears, testing the new shatter trait in chaos line , 4/4/6/0/0

i lost anyway tho, we did 5 fights, he won 2 to 3…

give staff a try if u arent using it yet, ofc gs is awesome etc, but staff offers way more defence and possibilitys

playing as a furious interrupting mes its quite easy to kill thieves like wyrden said staff counters thieves great. 2 when they leap to you. you have chaos armor which can proc blinds and then chaos storm your self when they are pressuring you. i guess my build counters thieves lol

Benjamin.8237:

Jurica.1742:

Your job is to put pressure on mid and thieves job is to eliminate that pressure.

What if I told you you should only be at mid to quickly down squishy classes. A Mesmers role in a team fight is boon stripping and spike damage, you shouldn’t be hanging around mid to add pressure. Mesmer and Thief to be honest both have the same role, pressure far and the enemy roamer, which unfortunately will be a thief.

A mesmer’s role in a team fight is aoe spike damage, and that’s why you’re mostly supporting mid. Mesmer is the only class in the game that can rapidly convert multiple lowish opponents into downed opponents in 1 single instant burst that comes preloaded with boon strip. Yes, you also have the responsibility to cover home a bit with portals, but your main role is finishing team fights. The thing is that a thief is far more mobile than mesmer, and can pressure far and the enemy roamer far more effectively than a mesmer can.

Magnito.6187:

So I play shatter mesmer during tpvp’s quite a lot.
Alltho I feel I have to back of to warrior way too much.
I’ve been having a lot of troubles with sword/dagger thiefs,
if not thiefs in general. but let’s say sword/dagger thiefs in particular.

It’s a pain in the kitten when you see that all the shatters get avoided by dodges, if not by dodges, they’ll just run from them (as they have like almost perma swiftness with dodges) and then jump back on you.

I feel like if I meet up an experienced sword/dagger thief, there’s not much I can do.
I’m wondering if you guys feel the same pain as I do. Or got anything to counter it. Keep in mind that I’m a shatter mesmer, running tournaments, so I find switching out utility skills quite useless as I want to be usefull for the team.

Suggestions, tricks and hints are welcome

There’s no good way to counter an S/D thief on a shatter mesmer. If you want to counter them, you’re going to have to run either a phantasm build or a defensive condie build, usually PU for the condie build. The inherent defense of the rabid amulet combined with the large amounts of active defense from staff+scepter allow you to duel an S/D thief and beat them without too much trouble.

yes excatly sd thiefs > shatter mesmer..

i cant say much for tpvp,
as Fay said phantasm builds make much more better job, try to proc your phantasms retals is the way.. and if u in wvw dire with, chaos V and vengeful images much more easier..

i had really cool fights kittenter mesmer vs sd thiefs that i choosed for to make a nice video, however deleted by mistake from hardisk, but still have some others maybe can be interested..

http://youtu.be/2U2E6mTsL7E from 13:07, have much mistakes, however i made it to see what do wrong.. if i didint delete other video it had great fights when i won sd thief it was cuz of his mistakes or i did great job pressure him and after he is in cd full bursts.. but sd always win if do 5 to 10 duels.. however in tpvp its all different color..

Benjamin.8237:

S/D thieves 500% counter mesmers at the moment. You can beat one! but if you beat an S/D thief then he should uninstall. The build allows them to constantly gap close on us, which is one of our main forms of defence, and in their opening sequence they can drop us to 50% and poison us. That is why it’s hard to fight them, because you cannot predict instant teleports, so you have to engage them first…which is a stupid idea, or predict how they will react.

I have now started raking mirror images just soI can wreck thieves who teleport away with a blink shatter combo, it is my main goal to beat them whenever at the moment. Also just duel top S/D thieves in the duelling servers, because despite what the “pros” tell you on here about which builds counter them! good S/D thieves wont lose to any Mesmer build,

my experience tells me what this lame , why ? u wasting 2 breakstun (which not always ready) even in melee use mirror images and f1 this is also waste (most of time thief evades , stab evade stab evade ) + low damage if u dont have tonn of might
best option run away/blink away/ portal out of there
but first part about thief is true (btw full SB thief will kill u anyway and u cannot do anything with it, just run or die)

Odik.4587:

Benjamin.8237:

S/D thieves 500% counter mesmers at the moment. You can beat one! but if you beat an S/D thief then he should uninstall. The build allows them to constantly gap close on us, which is one of our main forms of defence, and in their opening sequence they can drop us to 50% and poison us. That is why it’s hard to fight them, because you cannot predict instant teleports, so you have to engage them first…which is a stupid idea, or predict how they will react.

I have now started raking mirror images just soI can wreck thieves who teleport away with a blink shatter combo, it is my main goal to beat them whenever at the moment. Also just duel top S/D thieves in the duelling servers, because despite what the “pros” tell you on here about which builds counter them! good S/D thieves wont lose to any Mesmer build,

my experience tells me what this lame , why ? u wasting 2 breakstun (which not always ready) even in melee use mirror images and f1 this is also waste (most of time thief evades , stab evade stab evade ) + low damage if u dont have tonn of might
best option run away/blink away/ portal out of there
but first part about thief is true (btw full SB thief will kill u anyway and u cannot do anything with it, just run or die)

Full SB thief will not kill me. I don’t initiate with that combo, but I will often end fights with it or a forward phase retreat mirror image combo. In fact this has helped me beat thieves a lot more than any other utility. Portal, Blink and Mirror Images is my current go to setup unless vs a condi heavy team. Mirror Images does work very well vs thieves and your experience cannot be very much, because it has helped me astronomically vs competent and “top” thieves.

EDIT: You don’t use it during their evade frames, and you can easily out kite shortbow with Greatsword 1 and 5.

i was with prince ben yday in a spvp match, he is doing pretty well (he is the asura mesmer i think? i am ghhardiem, the lockdown mesmer who was all yelling ‘lockdown op’ on enemy corpses)

Odik.4587:

U imaginate ’’top’’ thieves and how u beat them in ur head or may be 1-20 rank thieves are top in ur opinion?
another great thieves bane sigh
prove of my theory > (Prince Ben aka 11th best mesmer universe.)
you are trying to be a copy of helseth ? but at least he playing very well
how that could happen? helseth turn around and run away when see thief, when great benjamin killing them? may be u much better than him ? :o
btw we are playing in same game ?

I know who you are, and I’ve seen you play “Tricking Trix” (something like that) and all you ever do is QQ and then proceed to ignore any comment whereby someone attempts to help you. If I get ganked, I will run away, obviously. But in a fair 1v1, as you frequently do in Angz server, I will take Mirror Images and when I play well I beat them. Nothing else to it. I also happen to know that Chozen, Red, Atrastea, Sizer, Sensotix and Uni theory don’t suck and aren’t rank 1. I don’t regularly beat them as S/D does counter mesmer, but I have beaten each one of them, and each time due to a mirror burst. Take advice or leave it, I don’t really care as I know I’m not the best Mesmer, hence the joke in my signature, but you failed to realise that also. Play PU condi if you are so contempt on beating thieves buddy.

Wyrden.4713:

i was with prince ben yday in a spvp match, he is doing pretty well (he is the asura mesmer i think? i am ghhardiem, the lockdown mesmer who was all yelling ‘lockdown op’ on enemy corpses)

I absolutely hated you that game, you and that other mes constantly dropping chaos storms on me or something hahah.

@Wyrden

I have no experience with lockdown mesmers so far. Only been nolifing shatter so far.
Altho I’d like to have a closer look to the lockdown mesmers, builds/hints/tips are welcome

The reason I created this topic was to have a bigger view upon mesmers and it’s ability’s against good thieves. Not to start a fight. So please, shut it.

Magnito.6187:

@Wyrden

I have no experience with lockdown mesmers so far. Only been nolifing shatter so far.
Altho I’d like to have a closer look to the lockdown mesmers, builds/hints/tips are welcome

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW8clknpMt1oxRNcrNipxYaFlDJDohSacA-TZBFwACuAALeCAVLDA4gA4b/BA

thats pretty much the build i am using

i mostly try to combo chaos storm with iLeap to keep enemy on chaos storm, it does nice amount of dmg, mostly procs 2 times daze so enemys cant cast stuff on it

i play it in shatter style, so right after ur phantasm atks i shatter with mindwrack if rdy

aklthough it needs ur enemy to use skills to get the most dmg (halting strike deals an insane amount of dmg)

i dont always shatter tho, it depends if enemy is glassy or not , if he is bunker and low on hp, i shatter to get him down asap anyway

the sword 4 daze i use when i see the enemy casting smth long , the mantra daze is always saved up for healskills , or in warrior case, his hammer burst skill

i just recently started using lockdown in pvp tho, chaos archangel might be more of a help ~

ah and, bunker guards r easy to kill if got someone w u, u can lock them pretty much down on all their skills, make sure to interrupt their empower(or if they r alone, just spam all interrupts till he is dead:p) )

~

The bad news is.. skilled meta Thieves will counter shatter Mesmer pretty hard. The good news is.. PU and Lockdown builds have a bit of a better time against them (granted Lockdown still has plenty of difficulty). Unfortunately I don’t have time to write much but most of what I’d say would be explained here:

• “Meta” Lockdown Thread
• General Lockdown Mesmer Thread
• Lockdown gear/utilities overview

Seems like worth trying!

Altho we’ve done some work with our tpvp team, that protected me against thief, just jumping on the thief before he was able to jump on me, I was happy to see them melt

It gave us a pretty squiqshy team set up, but honestly awesome to play with
(we ran with Fresh air ele, shatter mesmer (me), venom sharing thief, warrior and guard) which was much fun

Magnito.6187:

(we ran with Fresh air ele, shatter mesmer (me), venom sharing thief, warrior and guard) which was much fun

Well our thief sucks pretty much, but we carry him because he sings so nice.

Want to fight, Eyia?

do it, record it, post link to the uploaded vid here~

rl fight, gw2 fight, all is fine , just post smth entertaining:0