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Posted by: Flufferz.8907

Flufferz.8907

Okay. So, we clearly need some extra stuff to talk about on the forums atm. So………

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsdRlknpGtlpxRNcrNCvxY6FKohTmyHlMgbB-TJBFwA12fYxRAoaZAAPCAA

Its a 0/4/6/4 build; obvious variant of the classic 4/4/6 CI build. Essentially switching some damage and boon removal for survivability and reflects. I won’t go into utilities or weapons in detail since its the classic GS + sw/f, with Feast, MoD, Blink, Decoy, *elite

Dueling:
Blade Training: Shorter CD on your blurred frenzy, and iLeap? Can’t say no to that! Especially when your warden is insane damage, a good iLeap never hurts.

Deceptive Evasion: Sadly the build relies on shatters for some damage. The key is to realize when to shatter and when to keep your phants/clones. Only Diversion/Distort when you know you can interrupt or need to survive, otherwise MW is the go to of course, and better clone death traits kick in than CoF most of the time.

Chaos:
Debilitating dissipation: Good trait. Nuff said.

Boutiful Interruption: Again, good trait. Note that without halting strike that temptation to throw a random daze for damage is gone (at least I’ve always had the temptation). Interrupts = might+iWarden = kills.

Chaotic Interruption: Gotta love it.

Inspiration:
Mender’s Purity: Condi cleanse instead of boon removal. Tradeoff some damage for some survivability. Combined w/ reflects, interrupts, and positioning, condis should almost never stay on you.

Warden’s Feedback: Key point of this build — otherwise you go into 4/4/6 again. Reflects are by far one of my favorite mechanics; Guards can’t spin to win, Rangers can no longer press 2, Power Necros (nuff said), etc. If you thought temporal curtain was good before (though few of us I think?), reflects make the world go round.
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Before you (yes you) dismiss the build for lack of halting strike and shattered concentration for a couple of utilities here are a few reasons why I’ve tried this and enjoyed it

1) Condi cleanse: Yes, we can dodge a lot of condis, but against condi builds those two extra cleanses and an iWarden on a temporal curtain (light) field can help out a bunch. (Not to mention many condi builds use projectiles)

2) No Halting Strike: Admittedly, during my initial trials I was annoyed at no halting damage, but after a while its nice. Relying on halting damage seemed to cause me to be less patient in my interrupts to get burst to finish off an enemy. Yes, the 700ish damage is nice (and crits even better), but I don’t run interrupts to burst, but to stop others from getting theirs or healing and set up my burst. 5 extra stacks of might and an immob are more than enough for me to kill an enemy, and I save my charges better to boot!

3) Reflects: This build started oddly enough because I wanted to use the focus for reflects and land iWarden consistently. Reflects in PvP are not just for reflecting, but add a mental game as well. (What goes through ur mind when projectiles bounce back to you?) Most of the time I can set up a curtain and watch my enemy get hit back or, if they know its a reflect, try to engage which sets up for a nice Pull>iWarden>iLeap combo. If they want to back away, then the GS can punish them.

4) Deceptive Evasion: I did some rough DPS calculations early on to decide whether to go 4/0/6/4/0, 2/2/6/4/0, or 0/4/6/4/0. The results showed that my traits didn’t matter largely for illusion damage (accounting for a few interrupts, crit dmg/% and bleeds). If around 50% of iWarden hits landed, then bleed damage was better, if not halting damage would win out. Also, it didn’t account for shatter damage and survivability, which DE adds a lot of. The missing boon removal is still sad, but the GS can remove stability when I see it pop up, this is probably the only real problem I find when playing the build.

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Posted by: MailMail.6534

MailMail.6534

This is actually my preferred style of CI when I’m solo-ing in unranked or ranked. Great job here! Except I use Staff+Sword/Focus and switch around sigils.

gj here.

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Posted by: Snakebyte.2804

Snakebyte.2804

Just wanted to point out that the condi version of this can be totally nasty too.

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Posted by: skcamow.3527

skcamow.3527

Just wanted to point out that the condi version of this can be totally nasty too.

Yep, 0/4/6/4/0 is a very versatile trait spread that allows for both power and condition damage options. I believe Chaos’ most current version of his maestro support build also uses this spread, but I believe uses staff vs GS: Chaos Maestro PvP. Here’s the condition version I’ve posted previously: Chaotic Perdition

As for your version here, I like the more interrupt focused spice. Have you tried playing it with Staff?

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Posted by: Snakebyte.2804

Snakebyte.2804

Skcamow (or anyone), do you think Condi CI or Condi shatter is more viable for WvW roaming right now?

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Posted by: Tealots.6095

Tealots.6095

This is a really fun build that I’ve used some in SPvP and it’s actually amazing for WvW. If you look up IrxAllis on YouTube, his latest — or one of his most recent vids — is using this setup.

GS takes… finesse in a CI build. Honestly, so does focus and I think I’m only now, after playing CI for months starting to really learn the intricacies of the weapon/trait combination.

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Posted by: Flufferz.8907

Flufferz.8907

@Skcamow

…As for your version here, I like the more interrupt focused spice. Have you tried playing it with Staff?

Not yet, I had thought about it but it seemed like GS may be needed for some extra dps? Now that you mention it though I like the idea of trapping in chaos storm :P I’ll give it a test tonight!

I’ll also give the condi setup a run it looks interesting. Esp with sc/f not giving you a forgiving iLeap if you miss your interrupt > iWarden. It’ll definitely accentuate that survivability though with fair dps. (and who could forget perplexity runes in WvW)

@ Snakebyte As mentioned I’ll have to give it a run. I’ll never complain about more builds to test

@MailMail Thanks! When you use staff does it seem like dps drops noticeably vs gs?

@ Tealots I’ll have to check out the vids. I completely agree on GS needing finesse, but when it works its insanely fun. And I don’t know if anyone can claim to have fully mastered all the intricacies of focus…the skill to just make it effective can be pretty ridiculous! It definitely keeps me interested though to master this weapon set.

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

0/4/6/4/0 is really fun, and hella versatile. You should take Null Field though. For boonstrip, condi removal, AND the ethereal field for more boons.

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Posted by: MailMail.6534

MailMail.6534

Oh definitely there’s a drop in dps darling! lol I mean, nothing beats GS in terms of dps, but Staff makes up for it in team utility and self-sustain.

  • You have Phase Retreat, which is seriously our best “evade”.
  • Do I need to explain why Chaos Storm is so amazing?
  • You lose overall dps, but your iWarlock is a one-trick pony. If that bad boy crits on an enemy with lots of condis, consider him toast… burnt toast that is!
  • Chaos storm is a more reliable AOE interrupt than GS despite the randomness of it. More reliable interrupts = more dps = more lockdown over time.

Overall, it takes a little more patience and practice, but I really prefer Staff over GS.

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

Yeah, Condi CI version of 0/4/6/4/0 is definitely the most fun.

But to the OP – I’m surprised you’re not taking mirror heal for the extra reflect – especially considering you will be getting a lot of regen through phantasms and boon duration through chaos line.

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Posted by: skcamow.3527

skcamow.3527

Skcamow (or anyone), do you think Condi CI or Condi shatter is more viable for WvW roaming right now?

I don’t know about maim as I haven’t played that in WvW, but condi CI does very well.

Yeah, Condi CI version of 0/4/6/4/0 is definitely the most fun.

But to the OP – I’m surprised you’re not taking mirror heal for the extra reflect – especially considering you will be getting a lot of regen through phantasms and boon duration through chaos line.

Pretty sure we’re in the minority when it comes to using mirror. xD

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Posted by: Snakebyte.2804

Snakebyte.2804

This was the CI build I was thinking of using: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNArdWlknpGttpxMNcrNitxY6LiIDUO0RlMghB-T1RHABmo+jRK/yd/BBOFAdoPAgnAQUKBJFAMzBA-w

The idea is keep them in place with the CI and Perplexity procs as staff clones just shred them.

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

This was the CI build I was thinking of using: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNArdWlknpGttpxMNcrNitxY6LiIDUO0RlMghB-T1RHABmo+jRK/yd/BBOFAdoPAgnAQUKBJFAMzBA-w

The idea is keep them in place with the CI and Perplexity procs as staff clones just shred them.

iDisenchanter would do much better than Arcane Thievery there.

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Posted by: Flufferz.8907

Flufferz.8907

@ Chaos I’ve seen the argument and I have to admit I love the boon strip but I always come back to blink/decoy. Blink is amazing for everything, and decoy is great for mind games and setups…not to mention it seems that in mesmer duels that the mesmer with more stealth tends to have an advantage in setting up :/ I’ll run it for a bit though, I do love the extra boon strip and field…

@MailMail I tried it out some and while its good, the loss in dps and more reliance on interrupts makes me learn back towards the ol’ 4/4/6 CI from Chaos’ vids.

@Curunen Yea sorry you’re in the minority on that Mirror is nice but tends to fall short for me. If I was in a 4/4/6 build and still wanted my reflects up that would sound like a good option though.
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As for a follow up on the condi version, I can’t deny it was good although it felt as if iDuelist could be used instead to get more consistent bleed stacks? I also wished for more burst out of it, maybe when Sinister Ammy comes out (though loss of ferocity will hurt)?

Another question though after testing, to balance the dps of GS and the survivability of staff could a sc/x + sw/f set work well instead?