Guild Wars 2

So, I understand the change to the skill that stopped armour from applying as your first boon, I mean it isn’t very chaotic when you know what it will do, but what I don’t understand is this;

You fire the skill off, but you get Nothing until they hit you? most people stop attacking for the duration of the skill, so this means we have a skill that does nothing half the time.

But if you do actually have a player hit you, the skill only firsts only every 1 second, the skill doesn’t even last that long so you only get on avg if they are hitting you 3 to 4 procs of anything…

I am new to the Mesmer so please correct me if im wrong.

Welcome to the world of the Mesmer…Ners, nerfs and more nerfs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Chaos-Armor-Pros-and-Cons/first#post2378383

Has a discussion on the goods and bads of the change. But the move is now more like an Elementalist’s Aura.

But the move is now more like an Elementalist’s Aura.

Well, sadly it’s not. Just compare it to all those auras:
- Fire Shield: The might this one procs lasts more than 3times the duration our boons do and is always useful unlike swiftness or protection that barely heals anything.
- Frost Aura: Chill is way better than everything chaos armor can do + it’s a guaranteed 10% damage reduction while it’s up. Also it got 2s longer duration than chaos armor.
- Magnetic Aura: Niche use but at least you know exactly what it does and it’s useful.
- Shocking Aura: We all know that this one is propably the best one. Since last patch it also affects Blurred Frenzy.

So, no…Chaos Armor is way worse than any of those auras.

This is actually reverting it back to the way it used to be when the game started and I am very happy about it. ^^ Except for the internal cool downs that sucks.

Iavra.8510:

But the move is now more like an Elementalist’s Aura.

Well, sadly it’s not. Just compare it to all those auras:
- Fire Shield: The might this one procs lasts more than 3times the duration our boons do and is always useful unlike swiftness or protection that barely heals anything.
- Frost Aura: Chill is way better than everything chaos armor can do + it’s a guaranteed 10% damage reduction while it’s up. Also it got 2s longer duration than chaos armor.
- Magnetic Aura: Niche use but at least you know exactly what it does and it’s useful.
- Shocking Aura: We all know that this one is propably the best one. Since last patch it also affects Blurred Frenzy.

So, no…Chaos Armor is way worse than any of those auras.

The auras have an internal cooldown too.

Fire Shield: Lasts 5 secs, a potential of 5 stacks of might. 40 second cooldown.
-A potential 5 stacks of might is OK. So is burning if you’re a condition build.. But 40 second cooldown? I’d rather the Protection.

Frost Aura: Last 7 secs, 10% damage reduction and chill. 40 second cooldown.
-This would be better if it weren’t so rare. Chaos Armor trumps it by how much more often we can proc it.

Magnetic Aura: Situational? Yeah. Overall? Nah, Chaos Armor plz.

Shocking Aura: Lasts 4 secs, stuns an enemy 1 sec every 2 seconds. 25 sec cooldown.
- Overrated. Its good, but an opponent can only be stunned twice… assuming they dont just kite you for 4 seconds. Chaos Armor again trumps by the sheer amount of times it procs, and all the benefits it offers.

Plus… Staff also comes with Chaos storm, which usually activates alongside Chaos Armor in some form. and If I’m not mistaken Elementalists have no leaps, so Staff Eles can’t combo into themselves.

When you consider how much more often you get Chaos Armor from combos than from that one skill, you see the change ended up being for the better. We have higher protection uptime now in addition to the fixed blinds.

Hexxen.7216:

This is actually reverting it back to the way it used to be when the game started and I am very happy about it. ^^ Except for the internal cool downs that sucks.

Not completely, originally it only procced either Regeneration or Protection. Which was better, especially when Illusionary Membrane had no CD which meant every hit procced Protection.

And people actually complained that Chaos Armour wasn’t armour-like enough, resulting in the buff-that’s-really-a-nerf which has now been reverted (after the people who complained about the original Chaos Armour have forgotten I suppose) to what it was like before except weaker.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Has a discussion on the goods and bads of the change. But the move is now more like an Elementalist’s Aura.

I do think that for clarity, such effects should all be named similar. As in, it should really be called Chaos Aura.

shimmerless.4560:

it’s never really made sense for the boon-portion of the skill to require being hit.

The enemy is punished for attacking you, in the form of boons for us and conditions for them. It’s fits really well into the mesmer theme.

I will still use it for superior outrageous looks! :C

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Iavra.8510:

But the move is now more like an Elementalist’s Aura.

Well, sadly it’s not. Just compare it to all those auras:
- Fire Shield: The might this one procs lasts more than 3times the duration our boons do and is always useful unlike swiftness or protection that barely heals anything.
- Frost Aura: Chill is way better than everything chaos armor can do + it’s a guaranteed 10% damage reduction while it’s up. Also it got 2s longer duration than chaos armor.
- Magnetic Aura: Niche use but at least you know exactly what it does and it’s useful.
- Shocking Aura: We all know that this one is propably the best one. Since last patch it also affects Blurred Frenzy.

So, no…Chaos Armor is way worse than any of those auras.

The auras have an internal cooldown too.

Fire Shield: Lasts 5 secs, a potential of 5 stacks of might. 40 second cooldown.
-A potential 5 stacks of might is OK. So is burning if you’re a condition build.. But 40 second cooldown? I’d rather the Protection.

Frost Aura: Last 7 secs, 10% damage reduction and chill. 40 second cooldown.
-This would be better if it weren’t so rare. Chaos Armor trumps it by how much more often we can proc it.

Magnetic Aura: Situational? Yeah. Overall? Nah, Chaos Armor plz.

Shocking Aura: Lasts 4 secs, stuns an enemy 1 sec every 2 seconds. 25 sec cooldown.
- Overrated. Its good, but an opponent can only be stunned twice… assuming they dont just kite you for 4 seconds. Chaos Armor again trumps by the sheer amount of times it procs, and all the benefits it offers.

Plus… Staff also comes with Chaos storm, which usually activates alongside Chaos Armor in some form. and If I’m not mistaken Elementalists have no leaps, so Staff Eles can’t combo into themselves.

When you consider how much more often you get Chaos Armor from combos than from that one skill, you see the change ended up being for the better. We have higher protection uptime now in addition to the fixed blinds.

You are forgetting something Ele has traits that give some very nice boons when applying Auras, I get swiftness and Fury, i am pretty sure my ele gets a 3rd but i cant remember what.

I dont use the Auras (air being the only one i really use) for the use, i use them for the traited benefits

Direwind.8409:

…You fire the skill off, but you get Nothing until they hit you? most people stop attacking for the duration of the skill,…

This is actually stronger than any defensive boon you could ever get ;-)

kaunt.8275:

Direwind.8409:

…You fire the skill off, but you get Nothing until they hit you? most people stop attacking for the duration of the skill,…

This is actually stronger than any defensive boon you could ever get ;-)

thats a good valid point tbh, despite the fact that i dont like the new changes

Carighan.6758:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Has a discussion on the goods and bads of the change. But the move is now more like an Elementalist’s Aura.

I do think that for clarity, such effects should all be named similar. As in, it should really be called Chaos Aura.

I agree, but then Elementalists have Fire Shield, which shields them from nothing. xD

In fact, Fire Shield is one of the worst skills for an elementalist to have. It’s an underwhelming aura that goes against the way that profession was meant to be played. If its duration was increased from 5s to, say, 7s, it would only be average at most, because elementalists don’t even want to be hit due to their squishiness.

Stun Aura and Frost Armor are great auras, but I wouldn’t say Chaos Storm is any worse. Protection is one of the strongest boons in this game, and even when it doesn’t specs it, Chaos Armor offers conditions on top of its boons. Besides, the cripple + swiftness combo is decent for escaping. Probably not as reliable as frost armor, but it gives a dual purpose to chaos armor.

There’s also the chance, and more reliably in a 1 versus Many scenario, that protection will spec several times, unlike the previous version. In those situations, this actually makes the new chaos armor stronger, due to how strong protection is.

It’s still aura, which means +protection +swiftness +fury on demand and it can be shared to your allies! And with proper building you’ll have permanent mass protection\swiftness\fury gimmicky signet auramancer. The only problem is, well, you’ll have to trait for it. I wouldn’t mind if they allow us trait for better chaos armor though. Maybe replace that atrocious Chaotic Revival and that abomination of trait – Retaliatory Demise. Seriously, who would pick that.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You are forgetting something Ele has traits that give some very nice boons when applying Auras, I get swiftness and Fury, i am pretty sure my ele gets a 3rd but i cant remember what.

I dont use the Auras (air being the only one i really use) for the use, i use them for the traited benefits

But thats just it. For auras you have to spend 10-20 points to get traits, and even then you’re not using the auras for their stated benefits, you’re trying to proc your traits. Hell, you can even work an Auramancer build. (I have, its fun.)

Chaos Armor has no traits, and is taken for its actual effect. You can’t make a build around it, but its beneficial to any build (and allies who pay attention) that takes a staff. Even Glass Cannon ’Zerker Mantra Mesmer now can offer more team utility with the change.

Well, if chaos armor has to be changed… (And right now a lot of things of the mesmer have to be changed, but anyway)

Chaos Armor

Chaos Armor: 5 s
Protection: 5 s
Regeneration: 3 s
Aegis: 3 s (maybe 2 s?)
Confusion: 3 s
Crippled: 3 s
Blind: 3 s
Torment: 3 s (A buff, would be good to see this in chaos storm too)

Using chaos armor from staff would give Aegis.

They should increase its duration to 7-8 because right now it does nothing… At least give us 10% damage reduction like the frost aura does if it lasts only 5sec…

Chaos Archangel.5071:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You are forgetting something Ele has traits that give some very nice boons when applying Auras, I get swiftness and Fury, i am pretty sure my ele gets a 3rd but i cant remember what.

I dont use the Auras (air being the only one i really use) for the use, i use them for the traited benefits

But thats just it. For auras you have to spend 10-20 points to get traits, and even then you’re not using the auras for their stated benefits, you’re trying to proc your traits. Hell, you can even work an Auramancer build. (I have, its fun.)

Chaos Armor has no traits, and is taken for its actual effect. You can’t make a build around it, but its beneficial to any build (and allies who pay attention) that takes a staff. Even Glass Cannon ’Zerker Mantra Mesmer now can offer more team utility with the change.

I know right? As an Ele it’s hard to imagine people complaining about how bad chaos armor is… I will trade all, every single one of my aura’s for chaos armor.

Please Anet if the mesmers don’t want it… please give it to my ele.

I will trade all, every single one of my aura’s for chaos armor.

ArenaNet, you heard him/her. Please swap ele frost aura with mesmer chaos armor.

Lokki.1092:

I will trade all, every single one of my aura’s for chaos armor.

Deal, your shocking aura(the only thing that stops mesmers from world domination) for our chaos armor.

Iavra.8510:

I will trade all, every single one of my aura’s for chaos armor.

ArenaNet, you heard him/her. Please swap ele frost aura with mesmer chaos armor.

I played an auramancer ele where EVERY aura would give protection, swiftness and fury TO YOUR ENTIRE TEAM at the press of one button and that’s on top of what the auras already did! If you really think chaos armor is better than that, I worry about your sanity.

Chaos armor is now trashcan skill #4.

Enjoy your combat swiftness after eating a 9k backstab. This happens more times then not.

Crossplay.2067:

I played an auramancer ele where EVERY aura would give protection, swiftness and fury TO YOUR ENTIRE TEAM at the press of one button and that’s on top of what the auras already did! If you really think chaos armor is better than that, I worry about your sanity.

Um… Those are traits…

Chaos armor is an “aura” (at least treated as one especially now).

If you replaced Fire shield, Frost aura, and shocking armor with chaos armor… you would still have the exact same traits that give the exact same bonuses you are talking about.

You are comparing
Fire shield + traits to chaos armor.
Frost aura + traits to chaos armor.
Shocking armor + traits to chaos armor.
Magnetic Aura + traits to chaos armor.

Try comparing
Fire shield to chaos armor.
Frost aura to chaos armor.
Shocking armor to chaos armor.
Magnetic Aura to chaos armor.

The main reason we use half of our aura’s in the first place is for the traits not because the skill is terribly useful. Especially fire… ugh. The only one of our auras that can even be considered equivalent is shocking, but only in very specific situations.

Hands down I would prefer to have chaos armor in place of any current aura.

Lokki, they said they would trade ALL elementalist auras so I’m comparing ALL elementalist auras and their traits to chaos armor and its traits. I fail to see how that’s not a fair comparison except to the determent of chaos armor, which is the point of my original argument.

Crossplay.2067:

Lokki, they said they would trade ALL elementalist auras so I’m comparing ALL elementalist auras and their traits to chaos armor and its traits. I fail to see how that’s not a fair comparison except to the determent of chaos armor, which is the point of my original argument.

Well it’s like comparing a new tires to old tires. The new tires are better but the old tires come with the car so they must be even better… well no. You will just put the new tires on the car when you get them.

Strange analogy perhaps but its the same thing. If you replace one aura with another aura it will still have the same traits as the old aura.

In other words chaos armor would have the same exact traits as any other ele aura. And vice versa (to be fair of course.)

If what you thought I meant was…
I will trade Powerful Aura, Zephyr’s Boon, Elemental Shielding, Arcane Resurrection, Fire shied, Frost aura, Shocking aura, and Magnetic aura for a single instance of chaos armor. Then sorry that is not what I meant at all that would be silly. 4 traits and 4 abilities for 1 ability?

What I did mean was…
I will trade Fire shied for chaos armor.
I will trade Frost aura for chaos armor.
I will trade Shocking aura for chaos armor.
I will trade Magnetic aura for chaos armor.

I will trade Fire shied for chaos armor.
I will trade Frost aura for chaos armor.
I will trade Shocking aura for chaos armor.
I will trade Magnetic aura for chaos armor.

Except for magnetic aura and maybe fire shield i would take any of those over what staff #4 has become.

/edit: Screw it, i would even take magnetic aura seeing that ranged rangers are one of our best counters.

Lokki.1092:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You are forgetting something Ele has traits that give some very nice boons when applying Auras, I get swiftness and Fury, i am pretty sure my ele gets a 3rd but i cant remember what.

I dont use the Auras (air being the only one i really use) for the use, i use them for the traited benefits

But thats just it. For auras you have to spend 10-20 points to get traits, and even then you’re not using the auras for their stated benefits, you’re trying to proc your traits. Hell, you can even work an Auramancer build. (I have, its fun.)

Chaos Armor has no traits, and is taken for its actual effect. You can’t make a build around it, but its beneficial to any build (and allies who pay attention) that takes a staff. Even Glass Cannon ’Zerker Mantra Mesmer now can offer more team utility with the change.

I know right? As an Ele it’s hard to imagine people complaining about how bad chaos armor is… I will trade all, every single one of my aura’s for chaos armor.

Please Anet if the mesmers don’t want it… please give it to my ele.

I wouldnt, my D/D Air ele LOVES the Aura. Using RTL, then the Knockdown and then the Aura getting buffs and stunning them is GREAT.

I have so much time in my Mesmer. Every time i make a new build that i like something gets changed. It really sucks! I have put so much work in to getting all ascended gear for condition and that went to S***. So i started over with a complete different build and now after the last patch my build is not the same. I fell like every patch that comes out my Mesmer gets worked over.