Guild Wars 2

The trait which cleanses if a shatter skill is used, truly cleanses per shattered illusion, in the current meta that means our mesmer could actually be a decent bunker. Best cleansing in the game?

Im not 100% sure, but il do some testing.

Been working with a 20/20/0/30/0 sword/focus-staff build. (Purifier Maestro in sig) with something like that in mind. The build focuses on nullifying conditions and enemy boons in team fights.

Its a new playstyle and different mindset for me, so it’ll take some practice becore I can say for sure but so far tests look pretty promising.

After trying my Mesmer after the 5 Illusions nerf I also ended up on a 20/20/0/30/0 (Phantasm) spec and chose the Cleanse on Shatter skill. So far I really like it and it’s really helped out because I basically don’t need to worry about Conditions as much.

I think bunker mesmers have to keep 3 illusions up for the illusionary defense, so im not sure if they can shatter. I didnt play a lot of bunker though :P.
For group support the shatteredconditions are amazing, theyre aoe too.

I’m wondering if you get a double proc from illusionary persona?

Ok, this is kinda cool. I´m running berserk shatter with 20 20 0 30 0.
I sacrifice quite some offense, but when with my team vs necros the necros complain about us “hacking” the conditions away…
SOI is good to help with the shatter cooldowns if needed.
Now I have:
Decent damage.
Good healing.
Perm vigor on my team.
Ridiculous AoE cleanse.
Portal.

New meta build for mesmer inc with this trait? There is NO better AoE cleanse then that trait…

Also tried condition/retaliation based weirdo build:
0 10 0 30 30
Celestial amulet.
Scepter/Torch(Or sword, or focus… just make clear you have scepter main hand…)
With Staff.
Tons of confusion, insane teamsupport, permanent retaliation. And i can actually facetank two necromancers for a while O.o.

Quick Mouse.7635:

I’m wondering if you get a double proc from illusionary persona?

I tested just using IP with this trait. They don’t synergize at all.

I’m intrigued to try this 20/20/0/30/0 build… Are you still using zerk ammy? (tPvP)

I´m running zerk. You won´t oneshot stuff anymore, but the teamsupport is just insane.

Full zerk with 0/0/10/30/30 – shatter, is my new build, I planned this a time ago, and today I tried it.

Pros:
1k shatter heal (no clones) -> 8k shatter heal combo (3clone shatter, make 3 more next shatter etc.)
Still good damage.
Survival is good.
Some dmg redux
Heal removes conditions.(1)
Good support.
Can solo camps(WvW) easy.
Survive retal burst while doing sw #3-> #2, Shatter combo.

Cons:
No clone on dodge
Not 60%+ crit chance nor 100%+ crit dmg.
The way I use, still no AoE heal support. (can change traits for that if needed)

The testing (WvW) Enemy guard, and ele. Both tried to take me down, but my shatter and heal combo, slowly drained them both. Ally(ele) comes and helps (he dies, not my problem) The guardian and Ele still struggle to take me down, I down the Guardian. Stomping him, with a stomp-start (staff#2) (Shatter #4) and blink once I almost land the finisher. Kills him, start dueling the ele, and a ally thief comes and forces the ele run away.

Well, this is by fat of topic, for this is about CLEANSE trait and tPvP viability due to necro invasion. Also shatter heal doesn´t work that way. One-clone-shatter heals by 1k. 3 Clone shatter by 1.9k or so. Heal per clone seems to scale down the more clones are shattered, similar to mindwreck.

Well I tested the healing in LA (lost 8k by juming fall damage, and did a 8 clone shatter combo) it got ~8k healing.

Edit. Which Cleansing trait you talking about?

Edit2: Sorry for off topic, but think we may have one of the best heals as well then.

Would this work 30((Some trait) , VII, XI)/0/10 (IV)/30(IV,X , XI)/0.

Mantra setup with Mantra Heal, And atleast one mantra on utility. would this give good ally heal and good condi cleansing on yourself and allies?

Edit3. Is boon stripping also AoE?

UnknownFreak.2805:

Full zerk with 0/0/10/30/30 – shatter, is my new build, I planned this a time ago, and today I tried it.

Pros:
1k shatter heal (no clones) -> 8k shatter heal combo (3clone shatter, make 3 more next shatter etc.)
Still good damage.
Survival is good.
Some dmg redux
Heal removes conditions.(1)
Good support.
Can solo camps(WvW) easy.
Survive retal burst while doing sw #3-> #2, Shatter combo.

Cons:
No clone on dodge
Not 60%+ crit chance nor 100%+ crit dmg.
The way I use, still no AoE heal support. (can change traits for that if needed)

The testing (WvW) Enemy guard, and ele. Both tried to take me down, but my shatter and heal combo, slowly drained them both. Ally(ele) comes and helps (he dies, not my problem) The guardian and Ele still struggle to take me down, I down the Guardian. Stomping him, with a stomp-start (staff#2) (Shatter #4) and blink once I almost land the finisher. Kills him, start dueling the ele, and a ally thief comes and forces the ele run away.

No DE and no perma Vigor for shatter builds is kinda bad, plus you don’t have boon stripping. Instead of changing builds and make one that is kinda meh when it comes to clone spamming (which is needed for shatter) and damage wise, try to change your current weapon sets (if the main reason you made this build is necro condis). Try GS/Staff (you need to get used to this combo tho cuz most everyone use sword/X+staff or gs all day every day), its MUCH easier to solo necs on double ranged weapons. With three stun breakers, two stealth (mi/decoy) its pretty hard to lose to a nec even with their current condi melting builds.

Build collection up, including my ideas for this trait if anyone wants to read

Nuka Cola.8520:

UnknownFreak.2805:

Full zerk with 0/0/10/30/30 – shatter, is my new build, I planned this a time ago, and today I tried it.

Pros:
1k shatter heal (no clones) -> 8k shatter heal combo (3clone shatter, make 3 more next shatter etc.)
Still good damage.
Survival is good.
Some dmg redux
Heal removes conditions.(1)
Good support.
Can solo camps(WvW) easy.
Survive retal burst while doing sw #3-> #2, Shatter combo.

Cons:
No clone on dodge
Not 60%+ crit chance nor 100%+ crit dmg.
The way I use, still no AoE heal support. (can change traits for that if needed)

The testing (WvW) Enemy guard, and ele. Both tried to take me down, but my shatter and heal combo, slowly drained them both. Ally(ele) comes and helps (he dies, not my problem) The guardian and Ele still struggle to take me down, I down the Guardian. Stomping him, with a stomp-start (staff#2) (Shatter #4) and blink once I almost land the finisher. Kills him, start dueling the ele, and a ally thief comes and forces the ele run away.

No DE and no perma Vigor for shatter builds is kinda bad, plus you don’t have boon stripping. Instead of changing builds and make one that is kinda meh when it comes to clone spamming (which is needed for shatter) and damage wise, try to change your current weapon sets (if the main reason you made this build is necro condis). Try GS/Staff (you need to get used to this combo tho cuz most everyone use sword/X+staff or gs all day every day), its MUCH easier to solo necs on double ranged weapons. With three stun breakers, two stealth (mi/decoy) its pretty hard to lose to a nec even with their current condi melting builds.

Trust me, I know what I did. And necro is not that hard anyways. and it’s not for necro only. it’s a overall healing on shatter, for survival in group play in WvW.

forgot to say I run Sw/sw and staff. I miss vigor on crit and DE but it’s working as excepted.
Utils are MI, and decoy, blink.

Edit: I’m still testing and I know the basics of a shatter build, this is a bit random shatter build not including Vigor and DE traits.

The point is Nuka, that he posted an totally unrelated build he found funny and had 30 points in inspiration aswell. It has nothing to do with necros or the topic “cleanse shatter”

UnknownFreak.2805:

Nuka Cola.8520:

UnknownFreak.2805:

Full zerk with 0/0/10/30/30 – shatter, is my new build, I planned this a time ago, and today I tried it.

Pros:
1k shatter heal (no clones) -> 8k shatter heal combo (3clone shatter, make 3 more next shatter etc.)
Still good damage.
Survival is good.
Some dmg redux
Heal removes conditions.(1)
Good support.
Can solo camps(WvW) easy.
Survive retal burst while doing sw #3-> #2, Shatter combo.

Cons:
No clone on dodge
Not 60%+ crit chance nor 100%+ crit dmg.
The way I use, still no AoE heal support. (can change traits for that if needed)

The testing (WvW) Enemy guard, and ele. Both tried to take me down, but my shatter and heal combo, slowly drained them both. Ally(ele) comes and helps (he dies, not my problem) The guardian and Ele still struggle to take me down, I down the Guardian. Stomping him, with a stomp-start (staff#2) (Shatter #4) and blink once I almost land the finisher. Kills him, start dueling the ele, and a ally thief comes and forces the ele run away.

No DE and no perma Vigor for shatter builds is kinda bad, plus you don’t have boon stripping. Instead of changing builds and make one that is kinda meh when it comes to clone spamming (which is needed for shatter) and damage wise, try to change your current weapon sets (if the main reason you made this build is necro condis). Try GS/Staff (you need to get used to this combo tho cuz most everyone use sword/X+staff or gs all day every day), its MUCH easier to solo necs on double ranged weapons. With three stun breakers, two stealth (mi/decoy) its pretty hard to lose to a nec even with their current condi melting builds.

Trust me, I know what I did. And necro is not that hard anyways. and it’s not for necro only. it’s a overall healing on shatter, for survival in group play in WvW.

Well i wouldn’t go as far as saying “necros aren’t that hard” when on this same forum section and spvp section i’ve seen tones of people asking how to deal with a necro as a mesmer and see people suggestion such as “don’t solo them” lol but hey, you do what you want

Nuka Cola.8520:

UnknownFreak.2805:

Nuka Cola.8520:

UnknownFreak.2805:

Full zerk with 0/0/10/30/30 – shatter, is my new build, I planned this a time ago, and today I tried it.

Pros:
1k shatter heal (no clones) -> 8k shatter heal combo (3clone shatter, make 3 more next shatter etc.)
Still good damage.
Survival is good.
Some dmg redux
Heal removes conditions.(1)
Good support.
Can solo camps(WvW) easy.
Survive retal burst while doing sw #3-> #2, Shatter combo.

Cons:
No clone on dodge
Not 60%+ crit chance nor 100%+ crit dmg.
The way I use, still no AoE heal support. (can change traits for that if needed)

The testing (WvW) Enemy guard, and ele. Both tried to take me down, but my shatter and heal combo, slowly drained them both. Ally(ele) comes and helps (he dies, not my problem) The guardian and Ele still struggle to take me down, I down the Guardian. Stomping him, with a stomp-start (staff#2) (Shatter #4) and blink once I almost land the finisher. Kills him, start dueling the ele, and a ally thief comes and forces the ele run away.

No DE and no perma Vigor for shatter builds is kinda bad, plus you don’t have boon stripping. Instead of changing builds and make one that is kinda meh when it comes to clone spamming (which is needed for shatter) and damage wise, try to change your current weapon sets (if the main reason you made this build is necro condis). Try GS/Staff (you need to get used to this combo tho cuz most everyone use sword/X+staff or gs all day every day), its MUCH easier to solo necs on double ranged weapons. With three stun breakers, two stealth (mi/decoy) its pretty hard to lose to a nec even with their current condi melting builds.

Trust me, I know what I did. And necro is not that hard anyways. and it’s not for necro only. it’s a overall healing on shatter, for survival in group play in WvW.

Well i wouldn’t go as far as saying “necros aren’t that hard” when on this same forum section and spvp section i’ve seen tones of people asking how to deal with a necro as a mesmer and see people suggestion such as “don’t solo them” lol but hey, you do what you want

I’m sorry for saying that they are easy, it’s different in WvW and pvp, I know how to deal with most necro, sometimes I fail against them, but usually not a big deal., it’s more of a “WvW hold of a few enemies until help arrives build.” But I get your point.

Sorry for posting here in the first place then.

“Most necros” are bad any way. You should try and fight a necro that actually knows how to play his class. You will need extreme amounts of kiting and even then it’s very hard if not impossible.

In addition to the team cleanse you have a very accessible means of cleansing a fear or torment off of you should the need arise. This probably works with immob too but have not had an opportunity to verify.

It works with immob So awesome if you are feared, invul with f4 and remove all conditions and the fear with it

tried to run it instead of 30 in illusions (20/20/0/30/0) just for fun in pvp and sweet jesus, never again…….. Illusions take half a century to recharge (sucks for decoy/mirror images), shatter CD soooo slow without dat 30%, no shattered strength, illusionary retribution, way less damage without IP and less daze/distortion when needed and instead get crappy traits from inspiration which suck for shatter builds (other than cleanse shatter) lol never again. Unless we had 80 points to distribute, then i’d run 0/20/0/30/30 and that would own for sure (would miss boon stripping tho)

I did not have the same experience. I find illusion generation to be just fine.