Guild Wars 2

Err.. I could be wrong but is mesmer the only profession that has 0 traits related to their elites? :<
Warrior got signet
Elementalists got conjure weapons
Rangers got spirit & entangled
Necro got Flesh golem
Guardian got renewed focus
Thief got basilisks venom
Engi got turret and elixer
Mesmer got…. nada?

Discuss!

our elites r all good and dont need smth to get it buffed tbh, my own opinion at least

Mesmer gets PU.

…yeah.

Wyrden is right, our elites are fine the way they are.

Eff that. Timewarp should be a Manipulation or Glamour.

How do you nerf it by 50% and yet retain the cast time?!

Mesmers have 1 direct tie in through PU and MI.

we also have some pretty crappy elites in the grand scheme of things so it’s probably better that they aren’t tied into traits like other professions are.

If i had to classify them

Both MI and TW would fall under Glamor, which they could then easily become basic utility skills. Maybe not TW without some nerfs but its not really worthy of an Elite Slot when you add up the things it does.

MI – makes up to 6 people invisible for a few seconds, on the same CD timer as Veil which is a line on the ground that makes a LOT more people invisible for half the time.
Why this is an “Elite” skill is beyond me but if I really had to guess, it would be that Anet ran out of ideas and had to push out a 3rd elite for us before they started testing beta builds. they then never returned to replace it with something better.

TW applies Quickness to 5 people inside of it and acts as an ethereal field for a handful of seconds, it causes no harm or inverse effects on foes inside of the bubble (you’d think that it would at least cause chill to slow the bad guys down)

Moa is probably our best elite skill mostly because its the only elite that is capable of completely stripping its target of any passive defense or active defense as well as any passive offense. It’s the only real game changer Elite skill Mesmer gets (outside of TW letting you kill that Dungeon boss 3 seconds sooner).

If I had to classify it, i’d put moa under Manipulations but I think the entire non Mesmer 90% majority of Gw2 would flip their kitten if we could Moa from 1500 range and it was on a lower CD.

While this might be true, I don’t see the issue. Mesmers have pretty decent Elites as they are.

I could just as easily argue it’s pretty unfair that Mesmers have multiple CD reduction traits able effective the same weapon skill. It’s just one of those things which makes the classes different, but unless it’s causing Mesmers to be UP or OP in some way I see no reason to “fix” it.

Cufufalating.8479:

While this might be true, I don’t see the issue. Mesmers have pretty decent Elites as they are.

I could just as easily argue it’s pretty unfair that Mesmers have multiple CD reduction traits able effective the same weapon skill.

I could easily argue back that because Mesmer can have multiple CD reduction, our CD’s at base are stupidly long on all of those skills.

Specially when you compare them to classes that get no CD reductions or only 1.

You could, though I’m not sure it’s a valid argument. Regardless though, my point was just because something is different doesn’t mean it should be fixed unless the difference is causing a problem.

Forget the elites. I just want Chaos Storm to count as a glamour, and I’d be eternally happy.

MailMail.6534:

Forget the elites. I just want Chaos Storm to count as a glamour, and I’d be eternally happy.

That would sorta be breaking the standard among all classes that weapon skills do not ever count as one of the utility types that traits affect.

Fay.2357:

MailMail.6534:

Forget the elites. I just want Chaos Storm to count as a glamour, and I’d be eternally happy.

That would sorta be breaking the standard among all classes that weapon skills do not ever count as one of the utility types that traits affect.

Ahh I didn’t know that. I only play Mesmer and haven’t ever taken the time to study other profession traits. I need to get my study on!! That is a good standard to have though.

Yeah, might like glamour on Time Warp. Mass blind, extra 2 seconds, reduced CD from the ridiculous 210 seconds. Might be worth it. On another note, maybe we all might want to start a petition thread in the Profession Balance Forums for a reduced CD or Glamour on Time Warp? Make it a thing, y’know?

Time warp should be glamour

Fay.2357:

That would sorta be breaking the standard among all classes that weapon skills do not ever count as one of the utility types that traits affect.

Hrm, not too strict a standard though. We have IC, which affects both weapon-clone skills and utility-clone skills.
There’s also Guardian traits for Symbols.

Carighan.6758:

Fay.2357:

That would sorta be breaking the standard among all classes that weapon skills do not ever count as one of the utility types that traits affect.

Hrm, not too strict a standard though. We have IC, which affects both weapon-clone skills and utility-clone skills.
There’s also Guardian traits for Symbols.

You need to look at the skills in your utility area – they are designated “Manipulation”, “Glamour”, “Signet”, “Mantra” and “Summon”. The other classes have similar stuff “Meditation”, “Glyph” etc.

Each class has a set of traits which work specifically with these types of skills hence the Med Guard spec, Mesmers seem to be the only one with a slight smudge with Summon CD. The rest of the Utility traits don’t effect weapon skills.

There are no Guardian Symbol Utilities.

Fay.2357:

Mesmer gets PU.

…yeah.

Oh lel, forgot. PU solves everything.

Though, the trait isn’t especially directed to a special type of skills, unless they rename all stealth skills to ’’Stealth’’ like with glamour and manipulation etc.

I just want portal to be an elite, i would take it over mass invis every day of the week. Even more so if it got a slight buff.

I would enjoy it if Time Warp was glamour.

Pwent.2639:

I just want portal to be an elite, i would take it over mass invis every day of the week. Even more so if it got a slight buff.

Then, they could make Time Warp a glamour utility. It’d need to be reworked a lot for people to even use it though. If glamours builds were viable…

make Moa manipulation? literally manipulating them

our best and most used elite is mass invis.. thieves have a small ranger version of this that is instant and also blinds everyone in the area. pretty sure i would trade mass invis for it in most situations.. half the time i use mass invis its just for me personally.. the other half its to help team.. thief one is 10x better if its just for me.

Honestly, ignoring the specific case of our elite integration being too weak, I don’t much like traits affecting elites.

For a specific reason:
Elites should be very powerful. Ideally. Given their often long-ish CDs, they remind me more of ultimate attacks from Final Fantasy et al. But given this idea (the elite skill being so powerful that it’s always a game-changer when used), having trait integration would be bad, because then either you need the trait for it to be truly powerful, or it’d be too powerful with it.

The only type of trait I could see work out would be one which adds functionality to it which is only tangentially related. That is to say, maybe it gives you another situation in which you can fire the same elite for effect, and that’s a new situation which you couldn’t cover before.
One example I could think of would be the Stability-on-Book for Guardians, tough it’s far from perfect. This gives you a use-case where you need long-lasting stability and have no other access to it (like I said, far from perfect), you could use your elite for it.

Timewarp should be a glamorskill.

they r powerful, moa locks out the enemy of his skills for 10s

mass invi can save ppl, or u can kill ppl w it totally turning the tides of the fight

timewarp is awesome in pve (honestly the cd rly is long and i wouldnt mind it beeing changed into a glamour type of skill)

I agree that Time Warp should be a glamor and it should chill enemies inside of it. That would make up for the 50% quickness nerf that it was never compensated for. Mass Invisibility, on the other hand, needs a lot of work as Thief’s Shadow Refuge does the same thing but better. What’s worse, not only is it a normal utility skill but it has a shorter cooldown.

Crossplay.2067:

I agree that Time Warp should be a glamor and it should chill enemies inside of it. That would make up for the 50% quickness nerf that it was never compensated for. Mass Invisibility, on the other hand, needs a lot of work as Thief’s Shadow Refuge does the same thing but better. What’s worse, not only is it a normal utility skill but it has a shorter cooldown.

We should have a grandmaster trait that buffs our glamour skills while we at it.
Look at mantras, they have been getting better and better with 2 gm traits dedicated to them. Meanwhile glamour skills see less and less play and are strictly utilities.

Maybe grandmaster trait: glamour skills inflict 2s of chill at target location. Get rid of that abomination Disrupter’s Sustainment for something like this would be nice.

keenlam.4753:

Crossplay.2067:

I agree that Time Warp should be a glamor and it should chill enemies inside of it. That would make up for the 50% quickness nerf that it was never compensated for. Mass Invisibility, on the other hand, needs a lot of work as Thief’s Shadow Refuge does the same thing but better. What’s worse, not only is it a normal utility skill but it has a shorter cooldown.

We should have a grandmaster trait that buffs our glamour skills while we at it.
Look at mantras, they have been getting better and better with 2 gm traits dedicated to them. Meanwhile glamour skills see less and less play and are strictly utilities.

Maybe grandmaster trait: glamour skills inflict 2s of chill at target location. Get rid of that abomination Disrupter’s Sustainment for something like this would be nice.

How does the phrase go, keenlam?
All of my Yes.

Advent.6193:

keenlam.4753:

Crossplay.2067:

I agree that Time Warp should be a glamor and it should chill enemies inside of it. That would make up for the 50% quickness nerf that it was never compensated for. Mass Invisibility, on the other hand, needs a lot of work as Thief’s Shadow Refuge does the same thing but better. What’s worse, not only is it a normal utility skill but it has a shorter cooldown.

We should have a grandmaster trait that buffs our glamour skills while we at it.
Look at mantras, they have been getting better and better with 2 gm traits dedicated to them. Meanwhile glamour skills see less and less play and are strictly utilities.

Maybe grandmaster trait: glamour skills inflict 2s of chill at target location. Get rid of that abomination Disrupter’s Sustainment for something like this would be nice.

How does the phrase go, keenlam?
All of my Yes.

Nothing sounds more magical than this.

I have been testing Superior Runes of Sunless – which are also called Useless – because when I use mass invisibility, the foes gets fear. I’m using mass invisibility to run away and thought the fear gives 1-2 sec more time to escape and confuse the foes.

I wish for non-interruptible and non-targetable mass invisibility. Sometimes I feel enemy in WvW can follow me.

For example, in WvW, hit ctrl-t on mesmer and you know where the true mesmer is. Are they using the same trick for invisible mesmer?

When mass invisiblity is used, does mini go invisible? A friend mesmer found out last week that thiefs should not use minis

@Advent, MailMail: good to see that others support the idea of buffing glamours.

Glamours should have never been nerfed as bad as they were. Let alone the additional shag-over of Blinding Befuddlement. And TW should have been made a Glamour as soon as they nerfed Quickness across the board and compensated every Quickness-using class besides Mesmers.