Guild Wars 2

I woulda sent this as a PM but I figured the info provided could be beneficial to others, or maybe others would be able to chime in.

Nonetheless, a few math questions:

• How many conditions does it take for iWarlock to compete with iZerker?

• How much of a DPS loss is a full clone shatter without iPersona?

• If including bleed potential, does iDuelist outdamage iSwordsman?

• How far behind does staff autoattack lag behind the others? Which is the second worse autoattack for damage?

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• How many conditions does it take for iWarlock to compete with iZerker?

Burst

• 2 condi (zerk hits x3)
• 5 condi (zerk hits x4)

Sustain

• 1 condi (zerk hits x3)
• 4 condi (zerk hits x4)

^ ignoring bleeds from Sharper Images

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• How much of a DPS loss is a full clone shatter without iPersona?

• 25% (no CP)
• 30% (with CP)

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• If including bleed potential, does iDuelist outdamage iSwordsman?

Yes, but under very specific conditions. Otherwise Swordsman has higher sustain DPS.

Zerk Scholar / No Buffs

• 6/6/0/0/2 – Swordsman is 14.1% better
• 6/4/0/0/4 – Swordsman is 7.5% better

Zerk Scholar / All Buffs

• 6/6/0/0/2 – Swordsman is 8.2% better
• 6/4/0/0/4 – Swordsman is 3.0% better

Assassins Ranger / No Buffs

• 6/6/0/0/2 – Swordsman is 7.6% better
• 6/4/0/0/4 – Swordsman is 0.8% better

Assassins Ranger / All Buffs

• 6/6/0/0/2 – Swordsman is 3.0% better
• 6/4/0/0/4 – Swordsman is 2.4% worse <—-

And for times where phantasm will be shattered or killed after only 1 unload, Duelist will consistently hit 53% – 69% harder than a Swordsman.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• How far behind does staff autoattack lag behind the others? Which is the second worse autoattack for damage?

Staff and Sword/GS are apples and oranges. One is condi and others are power so it would be unwise to compare them. However, common sense is a super power than I do not have. Comparison of direct dps only:

Stafkitten

• S at min range is 69% better
• GS at max range is 196% better
• Sword is 267% better

Staff AA (IE for 2x dmg)

• GS at min range is 15% worse
• GS at max range is 48% better
• Sword is 83% better

I didn’t bother comparing Staff to Scepter because my condi calc doesn’t support scepter yet. Clones generated on 3rd hit, Torment on AA, Torment on clone’s AA, clone forced clone death dmg…. ugh, too many variables XD

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• How many conditions does it take for iWarlock to compete with iZerker?

Depends on how many times the iZerker hits. If the iZerker only hits 3 times though, they’re roughly equal at 0 conditions. Anything past that is a gain for the iWarlock. The iZerker is not a great damage phantasm. Generally the ‘condition threshold’ is going to be seen applied to comparisons with iDuelist and iSwordsman.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• How much of a DPS loss is a full clone shatter without iPersona?

So basically, iPersona takes one clone’s worth of damage and adds it to the shatter. A 3 clone shatter therefor adds 1 out of 3 clone’s worth of damage, making an iPersona 3-clone shatter do 1.333 x non-persona 3-clone shatter. The gains are higher as you get less clones, down to iPersona 1-clone shatter doing 2x of a normal 1-clone shatter.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• If including bleed potential, does iDuelist outdamage iSwordsman?

It can — if you have enough time for the bleeds to stack up and they aren’t overwritten by anything else.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• How far behind does staff autoattack lag behind the others? Which is the second worse autoattack for damage?

The staff auto is roughly 2-4x worse than any other autoattack…when ignoring the conditions. The staff auto is the highest damage condition autoattack, but the lowest power autoattack.

Second worst autoattack depends on range. If you’re close range, the scepter auto will do higher power damage than the greatsword. If you’re at maximum scepter range (and beyond, obviously) the greatsword will do more damage than the scepter.

Excellent!