Hi all. I love playing as a Mesmer, and it seems as if most 1v1 fights are easy to win and hard to lose. But whenever I meet a decap Engineer or Necromancer, they just force me out of the point and I end up wasting loads of time trying to take them out. Often this fails, forcing me to leave. Anyone else has the same problem?
Are there any effective ways for a Mesmer to deal with them?
Recently I have been running a PU/condition build. I definitely prefer all the one-handed weapons over the two-handed ones, and ended up with Sword / Pistol and Scepter / Torch. With power builds clones can’t really deal damage by themselves, but with Sigil of Earth and high condition damage they can actually cause some hurt. I really liked that idea, and it has worked well for me.
I tried a power based shatter build before, but so far spending my clones and phantasms this way hasnt been doing me much good. One of the things I like about playing as a Mesmer is getting the opponent confused about what is going on via stealth, and acting like my clones. Without clones I feel a bit naked, and become vulnerable. But I don’t mind giving a shatter build another try if thats what will help me deal with anything I face.
You shouldn’t be on point by yourself as a mesmer.
Not everything is going to be balanced 1v1, that would make for an awfully boring game (there would be a lot less QQ if people realized this). Taking certain specs and utilities etc… is going to open doors (and close others) for fighting certain types of people. Mesmer as a class isn’t really suited for point defense, our “bunker” specs mostly rely on invis and keeping distance between you and your target… which is awful for standing on point. You wont have much chance against an necro/engine 1v1 in a PU/condition/tanky spec if they are running meta builds, you need to be power speced, and then you have to ask yourself “Why is a zerker/power mesmer sitting alone on a point? Were’s the dang bunker Gaurdian/Engineer etc…?”
While Pu/Conditions might be terrible for sitting on a point, it can be really good decap because assaulting a point allows you to keep distance and you are just trying to put enough pressure on their home to force more people back off mid/your home. Mesmer has the escapes to get out of town when that happens that others decap specs lack, denying them the kill.
If you are forcing more than 2 people to be on their home you are giving your team a HUGE advantage, even if you only force 1 back and get 2 or 3 caps the entire game you are doing good.
@Zepidel: What you are essentially saying is that if I end up in a situation like that, all I can do is run and go do something else. I already pointed out that this is an option, but I just want to know if there is a way to kill them and keep the point on my own (so without team coordination).
Edit: after your edit your post is a lot more useful, thanks.
@Zepidel: What you are essentially saying is that if I end up in a situation like that, all I can do is run and go do something else. I already pointed out that this is an option, but I just want to know if there is a way to kill them and keep the point on my own (so without team coordination).
Edit: after your edit your post is a lot more useful, thanks.
Yep, leaving is your smartest option, I mean you could fight them but you would most likely get deccaped in the process. Reason why mesmer should never be playing a team’s bunker role.
If you are conditions/PU you can be a really good deccaper, otherwise mesmer is relegated to playing with others as a DPS role fighting over mid and other objectives with the team, unless its a map like kylo were you are trebbing because of how OP portal repairs are.
And it sounds like you like the annoying mesmer playstyle, try using the spec you have now to put pressure on far, make sure you tell you team before hand you are decapping so they (hopefully) don’t come to far ever and focus on mid/home. remember its not about how fast you can kill their bunk, you want to put pressure on him so people are forced to come back home, killing him/forcing him off and capping is a bonus, unless of course you aren’t forcing anyone back… then you do need to decap lol. but considering you can just camp outside his range and spam an endless army of clones at him it should’nt be a problem.
With a PU condition build, a bunker (probably actually decap, not bunker) engineer is really just not worth your time. It’s honestly not worth almost anyones time across most builds and classes. Just go somewhere where you’re not bashing your head against a billion knockbacks and automated response.
As for a necro, this one is doable, but the difficulty varies depending on what build they’re running. Could you elaborate more on which necro builds you’re having trouble with?
Some necros and engis can be ridiculously tanky and you’ll never kill them in a sensible timeframe 1v1 with any spec unless they make a number of mistakes.
2v1 is different, lockdown specs or power shatter can seal their fate. The dazes and the boon ripping makes a big difference.
With PU you probably need to go where they are not
For situations like that in PvP I have to say a Condi-Shatter-Build works really well. I can either I kill them (even if it takes a lot of time) or I hold them at the point as long as I get support from my team. With a tanky condi build you’re both pretty equal, only that the engi has more knockbacks.
And it depends on the situation: if you have the point and get attacked, you should try to hold the point at least neutral. If they have the point, you can use the terrain much more for your advantage.
@Pyroatheist:
I agree that Necromancers are in general not as hard to take out as engineers. Sometimes they are quite easy actually, as they can never burst me down and they slowly die to bleeds. I like to run Arcane Thievery, which always helps me against necros.
However, sometimes they seem almost immortal. I dont know much about necros, but the ones I have trouble with use staff for tons of marks on the capture point and pretty much ignore all else. They can afford it, as they just wont die. These necros dont even try to kill me, they just chill on the capture point. You’d think an enemy so lazy is just a sitting duck, but this duck is bullet proof. So is there any plan to kill it or do I find myself another target?
What neurophen and yunalesca say makes sense to me, with a shatter build I would have more chance. But even then I would often need back up.
One of your issue I see is you using 1handed weapons, another is PU build is also not really good it holding point cause when in stealth mood, you cannot cap the point, yes you can put pressure, but you will lose the point if you keep staying in stealth.
Like what others have said, either you run and cap a free point or try and hold them off long enough without staying too much in stealth mood and hope support will come.
If you run with GS, your number 5 skill can help out.
Another thing you can consider it, before the match starts, you can check the classes you opponent are running. If you think the eng and necros that the once you have problems with, you can change your weapon to counter them but still running your build.
When that happen you should try dps them quickly.if you are phantasms spec just spam your most dpsing phantasm i.e ibserker and kite till he dies and if you are a shatter mesmer try to burst him at start using only the cry of frustration than spam clones and burst him again with mindwrack.if you are PU cond mesmer,reroll to more benefical build or try to spam confusion on him as long as you can tho cant really sure how much it will help you cause i never use PU in pvp cause it dosnt help the group.
