Guild Wars 2

Will updated trait “heal two conditions when heal” really help us clear conditions? Why other classes have “remove all conditions” or “convert all conditions to boons” skills, but we only stupid “prepare skill, then click twice to clear two conditions”?

I am tired of necros that apply 6-8 conditions in one second. Really stupid. While we have only one viable build 20/20/0/0/30 with over 9000 weak sides.

Menders purity after update will definitely help out in clearing condi’s, a buff’s a buff so i’m happy with it.
And since when did mesmer only have 1 viable build? What area of the game are you talking about?

Lol 1 build? We have plenty of builds…

Shatter, phantasm, interrupt, condi, pu both power and condi, I’m sure theres a glamour alternative for bigger fights. I honestly have no problems with finding diffrent builds that work on my mesmer >_>

lol @one viable build.

The best thing about the Mesmer profession is the sheer number of unique and viable builds that people come up with.

Post patch …
30 ( 1 9 11) / 30 ( 4 10 11 ) / 0 / 10 ( 4 ) / 0

You can remove 2 with torch, 6 with MoRec, and 6 with MoRes … All while doing 3k+ with GS autoattack and MoPain.

I find Mender’s Purity to be reasonably strong for healing mantra already, so I’m certainly happy with the buff.

ezd.6359:

While we have only one viable build 20/20/0/0/30 with over 9000 weak sides.

This is so not true. If anything, mesmers enjoy the best build diversity at the moment.

Yes, you can make condition build, but other classes can apply them faster and clear easier. You can clear conditions with traits and some additional clicks, while other classes just use one utility skill.

You can build some defence for you, but you will not be able to kill any normal player.

I don’t count imbalanced builds with perplexity runes, it will be fixed.

I can find many “fun” builds, but they are very weak and slow. I want something to remove all conditions and something to apply tons of conditions in one click.

Ah… i want maintain “swiftness” and punishing abilities like in GW1 (confusion is not unique for mesmers). I want to be a tank or a support. Where all these possibilities for mesmers?

Why nobody fears mesmers?

I want a class that one shot people too!!

ezd.6359:

Yes, you can make condition build, but other classes can apply them faster and clear easier.

WTB stealth and invulnerability on my Necro.

You can clear conditions with traits and some additional clicks, while other classes just use one utility skill.

Clearing 4x conditions on yourself and 5 allies every 20 seconds isn’t enough to be included as “just one utility skill”?

You can build some defence for you, but you will not be able to kill any normal player.

Possibly the best 1v1 profession in the game.

I don’t count imbalanced builds with perplexity runes, it will be fixed.

They were fixed (kinda) last patch.

I can find many “fun” builds, but they are very weak and slow. I want something to remove all conditions and something to apply tons of conditions in one click.

Try here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer

I can find many “fun” builds, but they are very weak and slow. I want something to remove all conditions and something to apply tons of conditions in one click.

Sounds like OP is looking for an iWin button on his keyboard.

alanis.6094:

ezd.6359:

Yes, you can make condition build, but other classes can apply them faster and clear easier.

WTB stealth and invulnerability on my Necro.

You have higher HP pool.

Do you realize stealth and “invulnerability” will not help against instapplied 8 types of conditions?

alanis.6094:

You can clear conditions with traits and some additional clicks, while other classes just use one utility skill.

Clearing 4x conditions on yourself and 5 allies every 20 seconds isn’t enough to be included as “just one utility skill”?

When you suffer from 6-8 conditions applied in one second and reapplied some of them every second, it is not enough. It would be ok for 2-4 conditions total in game, but we have more and 20 seconds is too much when you lose 1000 hp/sec.

alanis.6094:

You can build some defence for you, but you will not be able to kill any normal player.

Possibly the best 1v1 profession in the game.

Mesmer? In 20/20/0/0/30 build against not experienced player, may be.

alanis.6094:

I can find many “fun” builds, but they are very weak and slow. I want something to remove all conditions and something to apply tons of conditions in one click.

Try here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer

I like mesmer tricky gameplay and i don’t want imbalanced class, because everyone will play mesmer (like guards/warriors now). I want an option to play. I tired to play in one build, i want something another. But it is almost impossible to kill experienced players using other builds.

keenlam.4753:

I can find many “fun” builds, but they are very weak and slow. I want something to remove all conditions and something to apply tons of conditions in one click.

Sounds like OP is looking for an iWin button on his keyboard.

I don’t ask for something like it. Note, i don’t ask for “nerfs”, i want an option for counter play and for new builds.

Other classes:
1) Take idea
2) Build core features
3) Take some utilities like stun break and conditions cleaner
4) Play

You can play in style you want and have something for counter play.

But if you want to play as mesmer and want to apply or clear condtions – you must sacrifice everything for it. Ok, i can clear 8 conditions using that trait, 3x mantra trait, using special heal mantra, clear conditions mantra and null field, ok. But how can i kill someone using those “clear conditions” abilities? I have no place for something another. How can i bring damage?

Taldren.7523:

Post patch …
30 ( 1 9 11) / 30 ( 4 10 11 ) / 0 / 10 ( 4 ) / 0

You can remove 2 with torch, 6 with MoRec, and 6 with MoRes … All while doing 3k+ with GS autoattack and MoPain.

i did notice this also and i don’t understand why anet is pushing for the use of mantras so much. I really don’t like to use them at all but it seems our utilities are starting to be weak compared to them

ezd.6359:

Ah… i want maintain “swiftness” and punishing abilities like in GW1 (confusion is not unique for mesmers). I want to be a tank or a support. Where all these possibilities for mesmers?

Why nobody fears mesmers?

Nobody fears mesmers? o.o Well I guess that’s why people constantly run away from me in 1v1’s and 1v2’s before the fight even started…

Wow.

This is an L2P issue. Learning how to counter ‘OP meta builds’ is a skill on it’s own :/. While I’m really annoyed that we ave to play nearly perfectly with shatter, while they have incredible room for mistakes with the same damage output as us, it’s an L2P issue in your case.

Yes, I believe the Mender’s Purity buff is going to help alot, but it won’t fit in shatter. If any, shatter should be buffed by moving Illusionary Persona to 25 or 20 Illusions :/.

Btw, nobody fears Mesmers because Mesmer has a high skill floor and ceiling, especially in this meta of very tanky and professions that allow for lots of mistakes. The only time you fear a Mesmer, is when it’s already too late and you’re getting your face melted by a good Mesmer :P.

ezd.6359:

I want an option to play. I tired to play in one build, i want something another. But it is almost impossible to kill experienced players using other builds.

I haven’t consistently played shatter for over 6 months, and don’t have issues killing people. In fact win my fair share of duels (you know, from ppl actually looking for a 1v1, normally fairly experienced players) – my only thorn in the backside are well played condition necros. May be necro OP or my wrong approach fighting them, but since against any other class and build I can have fun fighting them I feel our build options are actually great.

If your concern is that mesmers ‘weakness’ is how we go down to conditions, fair enough, I feel the pain! Every class can complain of its nemesis, but with dec 10 patch menders becomes 100% better, so it does open more options

ezd.6359:

Ah… i want maintain “swiftness” and punishing abilities like in GW1 (confusion is not unique for mesmers). I want to be a tank or a support. Where all these possibilities for mesmers?

Why nobody fears mesmers?

Why dont you try theory crafting??? Mesmer can ‘tank’ easy, anchor eh. Have you ever tried sw/sw in a build?

Get yourself some knights gear and try 0/ 20 (II or VII and IV)/ 20 (IV and X)/ 30 (I or II or IV or VIII and X)/ 0
Sustained Phantasm in your face mesmer.

Really don’t understand where you are coming from… PYHOOYA

Dekk.3459:

ezd.6359:

Ah… i want maintain “swiftness” and punishing abilities like in GW1 (confusion is not unique for mesmers). I want to be a tank or a support. Where all these possibilities for mesmers?

Why nobody fears mesmers?

Why dont you try theory crafting??? Mesmer can ‘tank’ easy, anchor eh. Have you ever tried sw/sw in a build?

Get yourself some knights gear and try 0/ 20 (II or VII and IV)/ 20 (IV and X)/ 30 (I or II or IV or VIII and X)/ 0
Sustained Phantasm in your face mesmer.

Really don’t understand where you are coming from… PYHOOYA

he probably comes from wvw. where all our pets die in less than a second and with all the great nefs we are stripped down to nothing in a zerg. yeah there are ok builds in wvw, but noone will ever say:" watch out they have many mesmers!" if u wanna be feared u gotta be a necro or warrior in wvw. since anet nerfed glamour to the ground there has been nothing given back to us for zergfights.
and all of u saying how aesome and amzing divers the memer is…yes in roaming and 1v1 and for sure in spvp. not at all in wvw: if u wanna play vs large groups or zergs u are a veilbot an nothing else!

selan.8354:

Dekk.3459:

ezd.6359:

Ah… i want maintain “swiftness” and punishing abilities like in GW1 (confusion is not unique for mesmers). I want to be a tank or a support. Where all these possibilities for mesmers?

Why nobody fears mesmers?

Why dont you try theory crafting??? Mesmer can ‘tank’ easy, anchor eh. Have you ever tried sw/sw in a build?

Get yourself some knights gear and try 0/ 20 (II or VII and IV)/ 20 (IV and X)/ 30 (I or II or IV or VIII and X)/ 0
Sustained Phantasm in your face mesmer.

Really don’t understand where you are coming from… PYHOOYA

he probably comes from wvw. where all our pets die in less than a second and with all the great nefs we are stripped down to nothing in a zerg. yeah there are ok builds in wvw, but noone will ever say:" watch out they have many mesmers!" if u wanna be feared u gotta be a necro or warrior in wvw. since anet nerfed glamour to the ground there has been nothing given back to us for zergfights.
and all of u saying how aesome and amzing divers the memer is…yes in roaming and 1v1 and for sure in spvp. not at all in wvw: if u wanna play vs large groups or zergs u are a veilbot an nothing else!

Hm… I do agree on the fact that mesmer lacks something in raid/mass wvw. May it be damage or support, but it lacks one of those 2.
However, don’t forget mesmer got the best boon shatter in this game and got a quite potential aoe immobilize on a rather short cooldown.
Mesmer is the only prof that can stealth unlimited targets and have a potential ranged aoe pull.
Mesmer got the best projectile reflection and can sustain, when played well, really good when running through/hit by the enemy melee train.

And then ofc you got the roaming aspect in WvW, where mesmers pretty much dominate atm.

I could see something good in running more than just 2/3 mesmers, though to gain the result as a warrior or necro ( or be better) you gotta put in so much more effort.

Ps. Glamour builds were just way too easy to deal damage with. Hello 4k confusion ticks with only placing 2 skills on the ground.

selan.8354:

if u wanna play vs large groups or zergs u are a veilbot an nothing else!

You’re wrong here.

Xenn.3809:

If your concern is that mesmers ‘weakness’ is how we go down to conditions, fair enough, I feel the pain! Every class can complain of its nemesis, but with dec 10 patch menders becomes 100% better, so it does open more options

Mostly i have problems against condition builds. Even null field is not good enough, because i need to stay 3-5 seconds in it. If it could remove 2 conditions per second…

Also, i don’t understand how to apply conditions. We have only one direct skill – staff(5), slow staff(1), clone death (total random). 1 – is slow, 5 – nobody stands more than 1 second in this field, clone death – i don’t like random way. I don’t know what to do here. Increase radius for 5? Faster projectiles for 1, less random, priority to hit same target twice if traited for additional bounce, don’t aggro not hostile mobs around. Clone death since we can’t “kill” them on demand… greater radius? Apply more conditions (two different types for example)? Something else?

Dekk.3459:

Why dont you try theory crafting??? Mesmer can ‘tank’ easy, anchor eh. Have you ever tried sw/sw in a build?

Get yourself some knights gear and try 0/ 20 (II or VII and IV)/ 20 (IV and X)/ 30 (I or II or IV or VIII and X)/ 0
Sustained Phantasm in your face mesmer.

Really don’t understand where you are coming from… PYHOOYA

I tried different things. Only time i feel some tankyness is regeneration->protection (have cooldowns). Am i stupid or we can’t maintain protection? In another way – we are still robes with low hp pool. But with high def stats we have low offensive stats :/

Ansau.7326:

selan.8354:

if u wanna play vs large groups or zergs u are a veilbot an nothing else!

You’re wrong here.

Beserker? Many attacks to same target, but 5 targets max afaik. You can’t spam it! I don’t count 1, 2, 4 and 5 skills.

OP your problem sounds like a l2p play problem to me. Knowing what each class can do is a thing you need to learn how to counter. In pvp in general a necro is rarly the one to bet on in a 1v1 fight of 2 players with equal skill.

It is true that mesmer have less ways to aply conditions but a staff/scepter/torch clone killing build is a very strong and durable build if played right with almost every single condition in the game available to them, only condition it lacks is fear. Even with this build you will most likely not get the same condi spike effect a necro has to offer, its more of a pressure build. If that’s not your play style then instead of trying make mesmers more like necros change to necro yourself, you might learn how necros play and can counter it better.

Also mesmers do have plenty of options to choose from in terms on condi cleansing as listed here. You can ofc get other cleansing effects by using sigils and runes

Mesmer condi removal skills/traits
Torch skills remove condi
Mantra of resolve
Null
Disenchanter
Remove condi on shatter
Arcane thievery
Activating signet remove condi
Mending purity

Soul.5947:

Taldren.7523:

Post patch …
30 ( 1 9 11) / 30 ( 4 10 11 ) / 0 / 10 ( 4 ) / 0

You can remove 2 with torch, 6 with MoRec, and 6 with MoRes … All while doing 3k+ with GS autoattack and MoPain.

i did notice this also and i don’t understand why anet is pushing for the use of mantras so much. I really don’t like to use them at all but it seems our utilities are starting to be weak compared to them

More like Mantra’s are just now starting to be attractive in comparison. They were way too weak before.

One thing I really wish they would do is allow Mantra’s that are partially used to regenerate back to full charges out of combat. The most frustrating thing about Mantras is that if you use 1 or 2 charges of your 3 during a fight you have to then burn your remaining charges, wait the cooldown, and recast the mantra to get back to full strength.

Op you are a big noob a mesmer built for dueling (black water/phantasm) is basically unbeatable. Mesmer is not the prob you are, go learn to play instead of posting nonsense on the forums.

for tournament pvp there is only 1 viable build, all those 1v1 or WvW builds don’t work there

omg, well yes our condi removal is a little strained, it takes some sacrifice or specific decisions to get. But those comments about viable builds and not being able to kill other players… where are you getting that from??? We are one of the most feared and annoying classes people hate to face! Most good builds will take down players in their own pace. You can build to outlast 1vX fights, you can build to burst down people.
mesmers are extremely versatile… Conditions don’t even GET on you that often, with the amount of mobility/active defense and so on we have, if you play it right. in tpvp yes its a little trickier but i’m sure you can learn to play the class well in whatever situation you’re in

ezd.6359:

Beserker? Many attacks to same target, but 5 targets max afaik. You can’t spam it! I don’t count 1, 2, 4 and 5 skills.

With the iZerker, you can only do up to 4 attacks to a single target, but there’s no restriction of how many targets are attacked.
Look at the first picture. For every different number there is a target that the iZerker has attacked. I count 10 different numbers, so, at least, there are 10 enemies there.

Then, of course with only one zerker your damage is not awesome. But an iWarden, + iZerker, + GS #2 – Mind Wrack, + spamming autoattack, + BF, surely can mean a good performance

ezd.6359:

Dekk.3459:

Why dont you try theory crafting??? Mesmer can ‘tank’ easy, anchor eh. Have you ever tried sw/sw in a build?

Get yourself some knights gear and try 0/ 20 (II or VII and IV)/ 20 (IV and X)/ 30 (I or II or IV or VIII and X)/ 0
Sustained Phantasm in your face mesmer.

Really don’t understand where you are coming from… PYHOOYA

I tried different things. Only time i feel some tankyness is regeneration->protection (have cooldowns). Am i stupid or we can’t maintain protection? In another way – we are still robes with low hp pool. But with high def stats we have low offensive stats :/

It takes money to try different things i.e. different gear. If you dont believe me and haven’t tried it then just kitten. because this whining is complete bullkitten

Ansau.7326:

selan.8354:

if u wanna play vs large groups or zergs u are a veilbot an nothing else!

You’re wrong here.

those pics dont show really large groups. like i said in small groups i think we can do alright as our phantasms can hit well still. in a large group(15+) or zerg(30+) a lot of our phantasm die after they maybe get 1 hit off.
also i assume u wear berseker gear seeing those numbers. in na t1-3 berserker gear is not an option as a mesmer. i wear dire, rabid or pvt gear and will not see such numbers ever as i would die in 2 seconds if i was glass.
i run with a zerg busting group and die a lot even though i wear pvt gear and my phantasm die right ater i cast them due to war,necro and ele aoe. the only thing that works is feedback and chaosstorm for me.
i think all we need is 1 extra aoe that is not phantasm based and maybe something that gives us stability and isnt a mantra. as a light armor it is quiet a challenge to survive.
when running with the zergbusting group(15-20 vs 45+) i die a lot( because of cc) and i am not able to contribute much in dmg. so i run a glam hybrid with tormenting runes and sigil. when i went spvp with the same group i use a pu build and have no problem.
mesmers do great in 1v1 and spvp and i do feel we got a ton of builds available. in wvw i feel limited as lots of builds dont work well. i understand we are sorta a pet class, but a light armor class does need viable aoe that is not ai based.

Those photos are to prove that we are capable of doing big numbers, cause the other guy said we were just veilbots. I’m in BB, ~4-5 EU server, so I’m bored to face full blob servers, and I have to admit phantasms are not that easy to drop as an area, and sometime it’s a big fail.

Mesmer best aoe damage is through phantasms and shatters, or via glamour confusion. The second way is the easiest, but also the weaker, you drop 2 skills and just wait to see all with small purple numbers.
However, the first requires much more skill. Know when is the right moment to summon the phantasms, or make a good shatter/dodge rotation that allows you to do some damage without iPersona. So, for mesmers, it comes to the skill of the player to do a good performance.
I have been fighting in a much “professional” way in WvW for only 2 months, and most of the time I’ve been theorycrafting a personal mesmer zerg build. But now I think I have got the hang of it, so from now on, i will be more focused on upgrading my performance than testing builds and ways to go.

Btw, this is my build: http://tinyurl.com/p9etvgo
Only weapons are zerker. Armor is Soldier and trinkets are a mix of Cavalier and special Knight (+ Precision). Base numbers with bloodlust stacks and Defense Guards vitality are:
- 2300 Power.
- 34% Critical Chance and 68% Critical Damage.
- 2730 Armor.
- 23.6k of base health (By the end of the MU I normally have 25k of health).
- 61% less condition duration and -25% on stuns.

I suggest you to see some live-streams and videos of mesmers to see how they move. It seems that you run with the melee train most of the time or the zergs that you go are a bit disorganized, so you eat more aoe than you should.

Ansau.7326:

Those photos are to prove that we are capable of doing big numbers, cause the other guy said we were just veilbots. I’m in BB, ~4-5 EU server, so I’m bored to face full blob servers, and I have to admit phantasms are not that easy to drop as an area, and sometime it’s a big fail.

Mesmer best aoe damage is through phantasms and shatters, or via glamour confusion. The second way is the easiest, but also the weaker, you drop 2 skills and just wait to see all with small purple numbers.
However, the first requires much more skill. Know when is the right moment to summon the phantasms, or make a good shatter/dodge rotation that allows you to do some damage without iPersona. So, for mesmers, it comes to the skill of the player to do a good performance.
I have been fighting in a much “professional” way in WvW for only 2 months, and most of the time I’ve been theorycrafting a personal mesmer zerg build. But now I think I have got the hang of it, so from now on, i will be more focused on upgrading my performance than testing builds and ways to go.

Btw, this is my build: http://tinyurl.com/p9etvgo
Only weapons are zerker. Armor is Soldier and trinkets are a mix of Cavalier and special Knight (+ Precision). Base numbers with bloodlust stacks and Defense Guards vitality are:
- 2300 Power.
- 34% Critical Chance and 68% Critical Damage.
- 2730 Armor.
- 23.6k of base health (By the end of the MU I normally have 25k of health).
- 61% less condition duration and -25% on stuns.

I suggest you to see some live-streams and videos of mesmers to see how they move. It seems that you run with the melee train most of the time or the zergs that you go are a bit disorganized, so you eat more aoe than you should.

u didnt read my post propery. first off im not a dude. secondly i said we are veilbots in big group fights! i didnt say mesmers cant do dmg. we do have a hard time to shatter or use phantasms vs big zergs however. i am not disorganized and always stay on commander and our mele zergbuster is very very organized. still doesent change the fact that im only there to veil them. damage is dealt by necro, war and ele, guardian is there for boons and also dps. mes is veil and tw. not dmg, not support, just a utility.
i do not need to watch any videos as i played this class since launch and used to be quiet successful. glam nerf and cc meat have changed the role of mesmers in zergs.
shatter wont happen as clones die too fast in a zerg. phantasms maybe u get lucky and they hit before they die. i used to shatter a lot like a year ago, then i swapped to glam and then all the nerfs hit. my mes now is not a threat anymore in wvw.yes u can go full power and maybe down a few players once in a while, but the classes that are important are the ones that can deal massive aoe dmg, which is quiet hardif your aoe relies on ai.
i use glamour, but it is not enough dmg to make a big difference anymore, especially since most of the zergs run a ton of warriors, that are almost immune to condi and all have healing signet……
idk but maybe in eu servers the zergs are probably different, but na it is melee and necro trains. there is so much aoe that the phantasms and clones get destroyed.
and please stop assuming that im a noob that needs to learn the class and watch videos/ i tried out probably every single build that has ever come out and switch my playstyle quiet often. if i run with the zerg buster, i have either pvt or cvt armor on(25k health) and yes i use lemongrass or lotus food and either melandu or scavenging runes. still a veilbot!

selan.8354:

secondly i said we are veilbots in big group fights! i didnt say mesmers cant do dmg. we do have a hard time to shatter or use phantasms vs big zergs however. i am not disorganized and always stay on commander and our mele zergbuster is very very organized. still doesent change the fact that im only there to veil them. damage is dealt by necro, war and ele, guardian is there for boons and also dps. mes is veil and tw. not dmg, not support, just a utility.

Okay let me hop in here quickly. You do got a point because most raid leaders get mesmers because of veil, but that’s 99% of the time because they don’t know how useful mesmer can be.
Like I mentioned before mesmer got the best boon removal, best aoe pull which is also ranged, the damage can be quite good and the aoe immobilize of mesmer is can be called somewhat potential if it’s being used correctly.
So saying ’’we’re just a veilbot’’ is not really true. We’re only being treated as one.

shatter wont happen as clones die too fast in a zerg. phantasms maybe u get lucky and they hit before they die. i used to shatter a lot like a year ago, then i swapped to glam and then all the nerfs hit. my mes now is not a threat anymore in wvw.yes u can go full power and maybe down a few players once in a while, but the classes that are important are the ones that can deal massive aoe dmg, which is quiet hardif your aoe relies on ai.

Hm.. I think you need to revisit your shatter skills. Why? Because if you look at it you see that you will deal more damage per clone the less clones you have. That means that you will be able to pull off some pretty nice damage with mind wrach if you’re the only ’’clone’’ ( with illusionary persona). So that clones die too quickly, yes maybe they do. But it’s not like you really need those clones to deal good damage with shatter.

Phantasm is another story. They’re not meant for big zerg fights, however, this doesn’t mean you can’t deal damage with them. This is mainly a movement issue. Most people say mesmer is mid-backline, or like 50% front line 50% backline. What I think of mesmer is that mesmer should be ahead of the front line. Not as some sort of leader or w/e, but as some sort of sneaky infiltrator. If you’re able to switch off that and playing as backline at other times such as at choke points you should be able to deal damage with your phantasm, as well with your shatter, as well casting your veil, as well immobilizing/pulling the enemy zerg before your melee train hits them.

if i run with the zerg buster, i have either pvt or cvt armor on(25k health) and yes i use lemongrass or lotus food and either melandu or scavenging runes. still a veilbot!

Well, that’s just giving up damage for unnesssary survivability…

selan.8354:

i am not disorganized and always stay on commander and our mele zergbuster is very very organized. still doesent change the fact that im only there to veil them. damage is dealt by necro, war and ele, guardian is there for boons and also dps. mes is veil and tw. not dmg, not support, just a utility.
i do not need to watch any videos as i played this class since launch and used to be quiet successful. glam nerf and cc meat have changed the role of mesmers in zergs.
shatter wont happen as clones die too fast in a zerg. phantasms maybe u get lucky and they hit before they die. i used to shatter a lot like a year ago, then i swapped to glam and then all the nerfs hit. my mes now is not a threat anymore in wvw.yes u can go full power and maybe down a few players once in a while, but the classes that are important are the ones that can deal massive aoe dmg, which is quiet hardif your aoe relies on ai.
i use glamour, but it is not enough dmg to make a big difference anymore, especially since most of the zergs run a ton of warriors, that are almost immune to condi and all have healing signet……
idk but maybe in eu servers the zergs are probably different, but na it is melee and necro trains. there is so much aoe that the phantasms and clones get destroyed.
and please stop assuming that im a noob that needs to learn the class and watch videos/ i tried out probably every single build that has ever come out and switch my playstyle quiet often. if i run with the zerg buster, i have either pvt or cvt armor on(25k health) and yes i use lemongrass or lotus food and either melandu or scavenging runes. still a veilbot!

That clearly shows you got sticked on the glamour confusion build, and you haven’t know how to overcome all the nerfs.
You said one of the problems of your gameplay. You’re only there to drop the veil and TW, and then you follow the commander till the death. Then, you can have as much armor and health as you want…
If you think mesmers are so lame in big scale fights, then be just a veilbot and live with that, or reroll to other professions.

I was only saying that we can do better than just drop some utilites and we are done. The problem is we have a harder time, as most of our skills are more oriented on small scale fights. But no way this mean that we’re useless on big zergs, just we need to do the things better than most other professions.

Play with what you have, not with what you had, or others have.

PD: No one else than you said you’re a dude or you don’t know anything about mesmers. Seems you got offended by misunderstood…

1 build really? Are you sure you’re playing mesmer in Gw2?

When i do play with zerg groups, i feel pretty good to be a veilbot. A good veil with the group coming from a good position/direction will change the entire fight in an instant. sometimes i drop a veil without being told to when theres another mesmer to back up and i can read the battle field well enough, and boom, they are caught so offguard. I’m proud to be a veilbot if i dont do other things. But i do other things so that’s cool too!

takatsu.9416:

When i do play with zerg groups, i feel pretty good to be a veilbot. A good veil with the group coming from a good position/direction will change the entire fight in an instant. sometimes i drop a veil without being told to when theres another mesmer to back up and i can read the battle field well enough, and boom, they are caught so offguard. I’m proud to be a veilbot if i dont do other things. But i do other things so that’s cool too!

^This. Nothing wrong with being a good team player, if you don’t enjoy helping out your team and consider yourself being abused as a “veilbot”, then simply don’t run it.

Prismatic Understanding condition build is the most overpowered build of any profession in the game right now. In fact, PU is the only thing that is banned in the upcoming 2v2 tournament hosted by GW2PvPTV. The thing with PU condi builds is that you get so much protection, regeneration, and aegis in addition to all the kiting tools you already have and it makes you unkillable by any power build. PU really only needs 1 condi remove skill (either mantra or null field) because it can maintain 36% stealth uptime without even using veil, and the fact that you can just stay out of range of the enemy and let your staff clones whittle them down for you with condis.

TL;DR – Prismatic Understanding condition mesmer is the strongest pvp build in the game right now because aegis protection regeneration all day vs power builds and just stay out of range and spam staff clones vs condi builds.

Edit: clarity

I always find posts like this interesting. If you want to be so much like another class then why not just play that class? Differences make a game interesting.

Also, I think you are exaggerating other classes removal ability. 6-8 conditions instantly and repeatedly cannot be dealt with very well with any profession except a correctly traited and utility skilled Necro.