Guild Wars 2

Lets look at Chaos Archangels Boon storm as our example

Start with Sword/Focus. Make sure you have atleast one Mantra of Recovery charge prepped. Run up and Blurred Frenzy.
Cast iWarden, place Temporal Curtain at his feet. (Regeneration/Remove Condition)
Shatter Warden. Run to curtain, cast iLeap/Swap ontop of curtain. (Swiftness/Retaliation/Vigor)
Shatter clone. Swap to Staff, Phase Retreat ontop curtain. Shatter clone (Vigor/Retaliation)
Cast Chaos Storm, Veil (AFTER Storm so you don’t accidentally Reveal), iWarlock, Mantra Charge, Chaos Armor (Everything else)
Signet of Inspiration. /dance /laugh /cheer /dance
(Sword 2 >> Focus 5 >> Focus 4&Shatter >> Sword 3&Shatter >> Staff 2&Shatter >> Stakitten [Staff 3 – Heal – Staff 4 inside of storm ] >> Signet. )

This essentially means the boon storm is shared twice. Great but not game breaking. Wxe will discuss boons later.

But what about other instances. Say I have traited distortion on signet use. Could I not enter f5 and cast all of my phantasms for some mega distortion and condi clear? Well for the most part people have 2 phantasms available to them, perhaps a third in their utilities, to enter f5 spam then exit you get at most 6 casts. 6 cast means 6 seconds of distortion at best, and six conditions removed. Which pales in comparison to using the shattered conditions gm and doing two 4 person distortions. Which provides 8 seconds of distortion and removes 8 conditions aoe, and without you putting all your phantasms on cooldown.

Now what about all the boon spam? Its not fair you say, mesmers can make any boon in the game perma for those around them. Well copying boons copies the stacks and the duration. So for boons that stack in intensity like might or stability, we can only amplify the process. And we would still do it inferior to say an Elementalist or a Guardian. Say we interrupt 5 mobs and share that 25 stacks of might from traits, that is far less reliable than the fire field method of stacking. Also as long as we have 25 stacks of might, we have to wait till everyone has no might to be able to copy it onto them. Now what about boons that stack in duration. Good question. Most boons that stack in duration are limited by a time cap, for example swiftness is capped at 2 minutes. At 100 percent boon duration our focus skill gives us 24 seconds of swiftness. Going with the 6 phantasm model we could boost that to 2 minutes, and then 1 minute later with the signet of inspiration we could boost it to 2 mins. This would give us total of 3 minutes. With perma aoe swiftness in combat. However if a Mesmer is not by an object to summon a phantasm on to, this becomes 48 seconds of swiftness. Not to mention an elementalist can do perma swiftness for far far less. As well as perma fury. Perhaps the only game breaking thing a mesmer may accomplish is perma protection sharing, but that remains to be seen.

Tldr; a mesmer boon sharing every phantasm summon produces no game breaking affect. It is limited by phantasm needing targets, as well as the inherent caps on copying boons.

edit, math was wrong.

Daniel Handler.4816:

Lets look at Chaos Archangels Boon storm as our example

Start with Sword/Focus. Make sure you have atleast one Mantra of Recovery charge prepped. Run up and Blurred Frenzy.
Cast iWarden, place Temporal Curtain at his feet. (Regeneration/Remove Condition)
Shatter Warden. Run to curtain, cast iLeap/Swap ontop of curtain. (Swiftness/Retaliation/Vigor)
Shatter clone. Swap to Staff, Phase Retreat ontop curtain. Shatter clone (Vigor/Retaliation)
Cast Chaos Storm, Veil (AFTER Storm so you don’t accidentally Reveal), iWarlock, Mantra Charge, Chaos Armor (Everything else)
Signet of Inspiration. /dance /laugh /cheer /dance
(Sword 2 >> Focus 5 >> Focus 4&Shatter >> Sword 3&Shatter >> Staff 2&Shatter >> Stakitten [Staff 3 – Heal – Staff 4 inside of storm ] >> Signet. )

This essentially means the boon storm is shared twice. Great but not game breaking. Wxe will discuss boons later.

But what about other instances. Say I have traited distortion on signet use. Could I not enter f5 and cast all of my phantasms for some mega distortion and condi clear? Well for the most part people have 2 phantasms available to them, perhaps a third in their utilities, to enter f5 spam then exit you get at most 6 casts. 6 cast means 6 seconds of distortion at best, and six conditions removed. Which pales in comparison to using the shattered conditions gm and doing two 4 person distortions. Which provides 8 seconds of distortion and removes 8 conditions aoe, and without you putting all your phantasms on cooldown.

Now what about all the boon spam? Its not fair you say, mesmers can make any boon in the game perma for those around them. Well copying boons copies the stacks and the duration. So for boons that stack in intensity like might or stability, we can only amplify the process. And we would still do it inferior to say an Elementalist or a Guardian. Say we interrupt 5 mobs and share that 25 stacks of might from traits, that is far less reliable than the fire field method of stacking. Also as long as we have 25 stacks of might, we have to wait till everyone has no might to be able to copy it onto them. Now what about boons that stack in duration. Good question. Most boons that stack in duration are limited by a time cap, for example swiftness is capped at 2 minutes. At 100 percent boon duration our focus skill gives us 24 seconds of swiftness. Going with the 6 phantasm model we could boost that to 144 seconds, and then 44 seconds later with the signet of inspiration we could boost it to 2 mins. This would give us total of 2min 44 seconds. However if a Mesmer is not by an object to summon a phantasm on to, this becomes 48 seconds of swiftness. Not to mention an elementalist can do perma swiftness for far far less. As well as perma fury. Perhaps the only game breaking thing a mesmer may accomplish is perma protection sharing, but that remains to be seen.

Tldr; a mesmer boon sharing every phantasm summon produces no game breaking affect. It is limited by phantasm needing targets, as well as the inherent caps on copying boons.

Hmm it says you Cast signet of Inspiration when you cast a phantasm right? I’m assuming this will share the CD of the original signet of Inspiration which is 45 seconds. Meaning on normal rotations, this trait effect will only occur once in 45 seconds (untraited)

StickerHappy.8052:

Daniel Handler.4816:

Lets look at Chaos Archangels Boon storm as our example

Start with Sword/Focus. Make sure you have atleast one Mantra of Recovery charge prepped. Run up and Blurred Frenzy.
Cast iWarden, place Temporal Curtain at his feet. (Regeneration/Remove Condition)
Shatter Warden. Run to curtain, cast iLeap/Swap ontop of curtain. (Swiftness/Retaliation/Vigor)
Shatter clone. Swap to Staff, Phase Retreat ontop curtain. Shatter clone (Vigor/Retaliation)
Cast Chaos Storm, Veil (AFTER Storm so you don’t accidentally Reveal), iWarlock, Mantra Charge, Chaos Armor (Everything else)
Signet of Inspiration. /dance /laugh /cheer /dance
(Sword 2 >> Focus 5 >> Focus 4&Shatter >> Sword 3&Shatter >> Staff 2&Shatter >> Stakitten [Staff 3 – Heal – Staff 4 inside of storm ] >> Signet. )

This essentially means the boon storm is shared twice. Great but not game breaking. Wxe will discuss boons later.

But what about other instances. Say I have traited distortion on signet use. Could I not enter f5 and cast all of my phantasms for some mega distortion and condi clear? Well for the most part people have 2 phantasms available to them, perhaps a third in their utilities, to enter f5 spam then exit you get at most 6 casts. 6 cast means 6 seconds of distortion at best, and six conditions removed. Which pales in comparison to using the shattered conditions gm and doing two 4 person distortions. Which provides 8 seconds of distortion and removes 8 conditions aoe, and without you putting all your phantasms on cooldown.

Now what about all the boon spam? Its not fair you say, mesmers can make any boon in the game perma for those around them. Well copying boons copies the stacks and the duration. So for boons that stack in intensity like might or stability, we can only amplify the process. And we would still do it inferior to say an Elementalist or a Guardian. Say we interrupt 5 mobs and share that 25 stacks of might from traits, that is far less reliable than the fire field method of stacking. Also as long as we have 25 stacks of might, we have to wait till everyone has no might to be able to copy it onto them. Now what about boons that stack in duration. Good question. Most boons that stack in duration are limited by a time cap, for example swiftness is capped at 2 minutes. At 100 percent boon duration our focus skill gives us 24 seconds of swiftness. Going with the 6 phantasm model we could boost that to 144 seconds, and then 44 seconds later with the signet of inspiration we could boost it to 2 mins. This would give us total of 2min 44 seconds. However if a Mesmer is not by an object to summon a phantasm on to, this becomes 48 seconds of swiftness. Not to mention an elementalist can do perma swiftness for far far less. As well as perma fury. Perhaps the only game breaking thing a mesmer may accomplish is perma protection sharing, but that remains to be seen.

Tldr; a mesmer boon sharing every phantasm summon produces no game breaking affect. It is limited by phantasm needing targets, as well as the inherent caps on copying boons.

Hmm it says you Cast signet of Inspiration when you cast a phantasm right? I’m assuming this will share the CD of the original signet of Inspiration which is 45 seconds. Meaning on normal rotations, this trait effect will only occur once in 45 seconds (untraited)

At the current point it has no cooldown.
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gw2-needle-trap.jpg
A trait that has a cooldown has the cooldown on the trait itself.

Daniel Handler.4816:

StickerHappy.8052:

Daniel Handler.4816:

Lets look at Chaos Archangels Boon storm as our example

Start with Sword/Focus. Make sure you have atleast one Mantra of Recovery charge prepped. Run up and Blurred Frenzy.
Cast iWarden, place Temporal Curtain at his feet. (Regeneration/Remove Condition)
Shatter Warden. Run to curtain, cast iLeap/Swap ontop of curtain. (Swiftness/Retaliation/Vigor)
Shatter clone. Swap to Staff, Phase Retreat ontop curtain. Shatter clone (Vigor/Retaliation)
Cast Chaos Storm, Veil (AFTER Storm so you don’t accidentally Reveal), iWarlock, Mantra Charge, Chaos Armor (Everything else)
Signet of Inspiration. /dance /laugh /cheer /dance
(Sword 2 >> Focus 5 >> Focus 4&Shatter >> Sword 3&Shatter >> Staff 2&Shatter >> Stakitten [Staff 3 – Heal – Staff 4 inside of storm ] >> Signet. )

This essentially means the boon storm is shared twice. Great but not game breaking. Wxe will discuss boons later.

But what about other instances. Say I have traited distortion on signet use. Could I not enter f5 and cast all of my phantasms for some mega distortion and condi clear? Well for the most part people have 2 phantasms available to them, perhaps a third in their utilities, to enter f5 spam then exit you get at most 6 casts. 6 cast means 6 seconds of distortion at best, and six conditions removed. Which pales in comparison to using the shattered conditions gm and doing two 4 person distortions. Which provides 8 seconds of distortion and removes 8 conditions aoe, and without you putting all your phantasms on cooldown.

Now what about all the boon spam? Its not fair you say, mesmers can make any boon in the game perma for those around them. Well copying boons copies the stacks and the duration. So for boons that stack in intensity like might or stability, we can only amplify the process. And we would still do it inferior to say an Elementalist or a Guardian. Say we interrupt 5 mobs and share that 25 stacks of might from traits, that is far less reliable than the fire field method of stacking. Also as long as we have 25 stacks of might, we have to wait till everyone has no might to be able to copy it onto them. Now what about boons that stack in duration. Good question. Most boons that stack in duration are limited by a time cap, for example swiftness is capped at 2 minutes. At 100 percent boon duration our focus skill gives us 24 seconds of swiftness. Going with the 6 phantasm model we could boost that to 144 seconds, and then 44 seconds later with the signet of inspiration we could boost it to 2 mins. This would give us total of 2min 44 seconds. However if a Mesmer is not by an object to summon a phantasm on to, this becomes 48 seconds of swiftness. Not to mention an elementalist can do perma swiftness for far far less. As well as perma fury. Perhaps the only game breaking thing a mesmer may accomplish is perma protection sharing, but that remains to be seen.

Tldr; a mesmer boon sharing every phantasm summon produces no game breaking affect. It is limited by phantasm needing targets, as well as the inherent caps on copying boons.

Hmm it says you Cast signet of Inspiration when you cast a phantasm right? I’m assuming this will share the CD of the original signet of Inspiration which is 45 seconds. Meaning on normal rotations, this trait effect will only occur once in 45 seconds (untraited)

At the current point it has no cooldown.

I think its a tooltip error. How can I say that? The rangers also has that new trait that casts Call of the Wild on weapon swap, It shares the same CD of the actual skill. I think ours was implied to be like that.

Oh its called beastmaster’s bond on MM.

http://dulfy.net/2015/04/24/gw2-specializations-ama-livestream-notes/

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gw2-desperate-decoy.jpg
So more tooltip errors?

Also the language of the trait is “whenever,” not “when”.

Daniel Handler.4816:

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gw2-desperate-decoy.jpg
So more tooltip errors?

Uhmm that is the improved desperate decoy, they made it consistent with the original decoy so they share the same CD. The current Desperate decoy has an ICD of 90 secs.

Again, most of these traits are in beta status here, numbers and wordings can be changed, they might mean something different now and the time when they are released.

Hopefully. They did say in the video they were still playing around with numbers. But to put it at any cooldown makes the trait terrible. Like the illegitimate son of Kit Refinement.

Wow I wrote that and it looks complicated even to me.. Good thing Alissah added a video.

If there is no icd then it will be rather strong. On a normal rotation I share 6x might/8s Vigor/7sFury/10s Swiftness/6s Regeneration just by using traits/sword+focus/pack runes and that’s wihout using Chaos Storm, Bountiful Interruption, or Chaos Armor.

Now granted, boonsharing will be rather different now that you have to choose between Vigorous Revelation and “RestorativeMantraMendersPurity” (traits merged) in adept tier and Bountiful Disillusionment vs Chaotic Interruption. Along with our newfound ability to stack obscene amounts of protection.

But considering Signet of the Ether and Continuum Shift… Yeah. Without an ICD were looking at Signet of Inspiration popping at least 8 times in barely 12 seconds

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Wow I wrote that and it looks complicated even to me.. Good thing Alissah added a video.

If there is no icd then it will be rather strong. On a normal rotation I share 6x might/8s Vigor/7sFury/10s Swiftness/6s Regeneration just by using traits/sword+focus/pack runes and that’s wihout using Chaos Storm, Bountiful Interruption, or Chaos Armor.

Now granted, boonsharing will be rather different now that you have to choose between Vigorous Revelation and “RestorativeMantraMendersPurity” (traits merged) in adept tier and Bountiful Disillusionment vs Chaotic Interruption. Along with our newfound ability to stack obscene amounts of protection.

But considering Signet of the Ether and Continuum Shift… Yeah. Without an ICD were looking at Signet of Inspiration popping at least 8 times in barely 12 seconds

24 stacks of might, 56 seconds of vigor, 1 minute 4 second of fury, 1 minute 20 seconds of swiftness, 48 seconds of regeneration. Seems strong but it is only under ideal conditions and only in combat. As well as the fact that after each boon reaches cap you are unable to share until you can give a stack that wont go over cap.
Elementalists can easily provide that amount in half the time with fury, might and swiftness. Plus they can do it again, in or out of combat, in less that 1 minute. Rangers can give perma regeneration. Perhaps the only unique part to it is perma vigor, as well as the possibility for perma protection.

Lets not forget reapers aoe access to boon corruption.

Exactly. This would really only put us on par with existing “meta” boonsharing classes, and they all would still have higher DPS than us and still wouldn’t need to work as hard…

In the OP’s initial calculation, he accidentally equated 100 seconds = 1 minute for swiftness.

I’m sure this was mentioned in the live stream somewhere, but basically all traits that cast a skill will work exactly the same way they do now; having the trait is like having a second copy of that skill on your bar, and that copy will have its own separate internal cooldown.

There is the high possibility of there being exceptions to this rule, however.

Proven.2854:

In the OP’s initial calculation, he accidentally equated 100 seconds = 1 minute for swiftness.

I’m sure this was mentioned in the live stream somewhere, but basically all traits that cast a skill will work exactly the same way they do now; having the trait is like having a second copy of that skill on your bar, and that copy will have its own separate internal cooldown.

There is the high possibility of there being exceptions to this rule, however.

Math fixed. Confused about your second point as it is a given, unless you are saying they have the same ID. And there are already exceptions galore.

Well, it is a grandmaster trait. Compare it to some GMs on other classes in terms of power to those classes and you realise it’s not really OP. Could we see a bunker Mesmer on point? Possibly, possibly an unkillable/hard to kill one with PU but I’d rather see these interesting powerful builds first (with nerfing if needed) on a very neglected class than never.

If you have a gripe it should be at half the line lacking inspiration. The glamour trait isn’t good and shouldn’t be anything more than master. Most of the master traits are niche and better things elsewhere or just straight up bad.

Also eles can (and will) still be pumping out AoE protection, fury, swiftness, might and regen without a second thought. No, really, they don’t care about you that get it, they’re just doing it because it’s what eles have to do to survive, helping allies is an afterthought a lot of the time.

However it could do with kitten ICD just in case it triple casts when phantasms are resummoned using the chronomancer GM trait….but then I see guardian GMs and think, yeah might not be OP.

I don’t think there is much wrong with Inspiration. If you’re going for a bunkerish build, you’d probably go with Chaos & Insp, and gain a ton of Protection (staff/PU) & boons (PU or MD) from Chaos, and a ton of healing (MP & RI) & Condie removal from Insp. (Or Boon sharing of course.)

Couple that with Chrono for decent Clone generation and Quickness on Shatter to re-charge Mantra of Pain for AE Heal & Condie Removal.

Damage? Next to none! :P You’re a support/bunker.

Inspiration gives a ton of group utility, heals, and condie clears (and/or Boon share). The other traits were left in there mostly to keep current builds alive IMO.

Agreed that Glamor GM is totally underwhelming, and so is Compounding Celerity, but that’s really all I’d change about Inspiration.

A lot of good points here.

This trait is going to be the one I focus on the most when the patch drops, boonshare builds have a special place in my heart and with the IP change, there is definitely some potential here.

I’m still torn on Bountiful Disillusionment vs Chaotic Interruption for boonsharing though now that Bountiful Interruption was merged with Chaotic, it makes for a rather rough choice since disillusionment was made to grant AoE boons.

In HoT your stats will no longer be bound by the trait lines so unless you are going to use cleric armor your damage won’t suffer that much.

Edit: @Chaos And the stability boom share is rather valuable in WvW.