Guild Wars 2

In PvP i say it’s awesome. Maybe even overpowered in some cases. But in PvE it’s absolutely useless, given the aggro system that GW2 has.

When you pop into stealth, you will still get hit by the skills that were being channeled (and… OK). Then you loose aggro for the seconds you’re into stealth (that in the mesmer case it’s not greater than 6 seconds) and right when you pop back, all mobs attack you again.

So.. stealth doesn’t reset your aggro. One think that’s unique for the mesmer is the ability to confound the oponent by summoning clones and going into stealth. In PvP this works wonders (unless the oponent it’s really skilled)… but why mobs in PvE just know who you are? This makes clones useless!

Well, yea, they’re not useless… but in such critical moments that you’re about to die because you have 4 mobs attacking you, if you do decoy it should reset the aggro and the mobs should keep attacking the clone while you get healed or just flee.

Why are mobs more skilled than an average player in PvP for detecting the original mesmer?

Mobs fight my clones often enough. No need for stealth. Maybe try a scepter some time if you want tanks.

Then you’re saying that yes, stealth is useless and it doesnt work in PvE, right?

Mobs also fight my clones often enough. But myself I found many times where stealth could save me and he didn’t bc of how aggro system works.

Maybe for you it’s not needed, but i’m not changing my whole build for a game system that’s not working properly. I love the way I play my build.

Stealth use to reset aggro. But they changed it because people would abuse it by skipping past mobs and then using veil after they had got past just to lose aggro.

Stealth does still have its use. You can completely avoid mobs with long enough stealth. And it can also be used as a temporary safe zone to heal up and recharge your cooldowns.

Heres an example of using it in combat. Its mostly used for skipping though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdcWnBVn5fU

Actually, you can still skip past mobs using stealth, you just have to get out of combat range while stealthed. They changed it mostly because the moment you stealthed, mobs would start regenerating hp and resetting, and that just made for awkward moments.

If that’s the reason then imo they should have make it get to the lowest possible value. Mob doesn’t reset and aggro is not lost [completely].

It used to lose aggro and a lot of thieves complained that they can’t solo a thing so they removed that functionality.

I think its fine the way it is now. Mobs stop hitting you while your stealthed and you can use it to avoid aggro.

try a boon production build with signet of inspiration, should be stealth all that better in pve

blackoil.2673:

Then you’re saying that yes, stealth is useless and it doesnt work in PvE, right?

Mobs also fight my clones often enough. But myself I found many times where stealth could save me and he didn’t bc of how aggro system works.

Maybe for you it’s not needed, but i’m not changing my whole build for a game system that’s not working properly. I love the way I play my build.

I’m just not sure what your complaint is. If you want to not fight, roll a thief?

I use lots of heavy stealth even in pve, though my build was designed for wvw, for combat other than skipping mobs. I use it in PvE bc i always push my limits and solo things i shouldn’t be soloing, whether they are bosses, champs, or simply lots of heavy hitting mobs or group events, like in Orr or especially in the mad king labyrinth solo, when you pull all the mobs at the same time that are ranged and stack condi and cc/lock downs on u like crazy so you dont even have enough condi removal to keep up + the chainsaw horror guy or one of those other champs come after you xD it really is helpful just to catch those few seconds.

while i’m running a wvw PU damage build i can get super tanky bc of my stealth and will often turn the tide of a stupid PvE fight in otherwise impossible situations for most players or classes even…. On the other hand it is necessary while levelling, bc you’re squishy AND dont have enough dps while levelling and those few seconds to put some distance, can mean life or death.

So pretty much, no its not crazy great in PvE, in normal playing situations especially with a party, you can probably optimize your damage or group play or whatever with other things, but when you push your limits, its necessary for those few seconds that count. I often push my limits so I like my stealth.

Stealth is not useless in PvE, but traiting heavily for stealth (i.e. using a thief with more than 10 pts in the Shadow Arts line) is not productive. Stealth is useful for some very difficult trash runs, Arah Path 1 in particular.

Manly for skipping and resetteing a fight.

Stealth is for skipping mobs.

Scepter and torch are never viable options in pve imo unless you simply don’t mind being a burden to the rest of the team.

Scepter and torch in a pvp environment though are wonderful.