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Some people think Trump’s not racist or sexist.
There’ s just no accounting for fools.
Some people think Trump’s not racist or sexist.
There’ s just no accounting for fools.
^^
But basically, people who whine about condie mes being easy to play generally just hate conditions in general because they don’t know how to play against them and usually lose, and latch onto the easiest ad hominem they can: you’re bad because you’re playing an ez-mode class, and that’s why me losing to you isn’t really a loss, it’s just because you’re playing an ez-mode cancer class that takes no skill.
It’s a self-defense mechanism at its heart, if you look at it in that way. They’re being forced to potentially come to terms with the fact that they’ve got a lot of room to improve their play and skill, and that can be hard for some people. Insulting others is one of the easiest and quickest ways to defend against that self-realization.
Some people think Trump’s not racist or sexist.
There’ s just no accounting for fools.
^^
But basically, people who whine about condie mes being easy to play generally just hate conditions in general because they don’t know how to play against them and usually lose, and latch onto the easiest ad hominem they can: you’re bad because you’re playing an ez-mode class, and that’s why me losing to you isn’t really a loss, it’s just because you’re playing an ez-mode cancer class that takes no skill.
It’s a self-defense mechanism at its heart, if you look at it in that way. They’re being forced to potentially come to terms with the fact that they’ve got a lot of room to improve their play and skill, and that can be hard for some people. Insulting others is one of the easiest and quickest ways to defend against that self-realization.
Yeah I completely understand but the thing is though, condi mesmer although people say its cancer (sorry for the term), its very difficult to play (if someone has to play it) vs other condition classes. At the same time I do not see people whining about condi rangers, necros, engies in pvp, it’s just the mesmer with all the hate.
Champion Illusionist Champion Hunter Champion Phantom Champion Magus
Some people think Trump’s not racist or sexist.
There’ s just no accounting for fools.
^^
But basically, people who whine about condie mes being easy to play generally just hate conditions in general because they don’t know how to play against them and usually lose, and latch onto the easiest ad hominem they can: you’re bad because you’re playing an ez-mode class, and that’s why me losing to you isn’t really a loss, it’s just because you’re playing an ez-mode cancer class that takes no skill.
It’s a self-defense mechanism at its heart, if you look at it in that way. They’re being forced to potentially come to terms with the fact that they’ve got a lot of room to improve their play and skill, and that can be hard for some people. Insulting others is one of the easiest and quickest ways to defend against that self-realization.
Yeah I completely understand but the thing is though, condi mesmer although people say its cancer (sorry for the term), its very difficult to play (if someone has to play it) vs other condition classes. At the same time I do not see people whining about condi rangers, necros, engies in pvp, it’s just the mesmer with all the hate.
Everyone I know complains about condi necro far more than mesmer.
The amount of boon corrupt is just silly. Especially in WvW. I haven’t seen a commander on the front line not get corrupted. Makes for some pretty terrible 1 pushes.
Burn guards are an example of a cheese class. You either land your burn and hope to kitten they don’t have a cleanse, or you die.
Condi mes is an example of a class that “wants” to fight at range, and most people in this game hate ranged fights and kiting.
A lot of players don’t know how to react to a LB ranger pressing 2 on them.
And a lot of players still don’t know the kiting paths on a lot of the maps.
At any rate, any build that has good kiting potential (ranged attacks), good damage, and reset potential, is going to kitten people off.
No one likes someone getting away, and no one likes having a winning fight get turned around on them.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
IMO, i think condi is alot easier to play than power build. People whine cuz they don’t know how to deal with it.
Why do people say Condi Mes is Easy to Play?
People often say “People just need to push X amount of buttons to…..”
I tried playing Condi mesmer, It is super hard to play for some reason. People just eat you alive. Esp Necros.
I think people think mesmer’s just mash buttons to play conditions, but man against a competitive team or even just players, it’s not really effective.
…
And yet there is so much hate for condi mesmers and I do not see where the hate is coming from.
I for one really love to see more condition mesmers.
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Maybe it’s because mesmer use punishing condis in his kitten nal. For some one who is not aware confusion and torment can be deadly.
And after I saw messiah video about condi shatter chrono I know that mesmer can make a lot of havoc in group fights when someone don’t care about him.
Also he give in his videos nice tips about how to go with necros, U should try it.
Why do people say Condi Mes is Easy to Play?
People often say “People just need to push X amount of buttons to…..”
I tried playing Condi mesmer, It is super hard to play for some reason. People just eat you alive. Esp Necros.
I think people think mesmer’s just mash buttons to play conditions, but man against a competitive team or even just players, it’s not really effective.
In my personal experience, Condi necros, engies and rangers are waaaayy easier to play. (Engie’s Pistol 3 can proc 6 conditions with IP, Torment and Chill Sigil, Sharpshooter, heavy Armor Exploit with 1 push of a button)
Necros can just Mark Spam/ Scepter Spam from range, AoE too.
Berserker’s Can put 7 conditions on you with 2 attacks, (Krait Rune Headbutt, Mace Burst) Make it 8 if you have leg specialist.
And yet there is so much hate for condi mesmers and I do not see where the hate is coming from.
I for one really love to see more condition mesmers.
But here is the problem (true for all mesmer builds) you have to take Inspiration which Imo kills build Diversity.
Try to use Blinding Dissipation from Dueling instead of Inspiration. With Deceptive Evasion from same core specialization you will have better mitigation against application of condition and DD. At the same time you will also have better access to shatter when needed. Bleed on crits from illusions and vigor fit also into a condition build.
One reason to why people might have that impression that playing condi mesmer is easy mode, could be because PU mesmer used stealth to apply condition and resetting fights. With DD you have more or less only three stats you want to max out as much as possible: power, precision and ferocity. The fourth “stat” would probably be boon duration as the longer boon can be active, the more Might and Fury will there be to increase damage and at the same time the more defensive boon will also help to go more on the offence. (As long as there is no boon corruption or other kind of boon manipulations that might interrupt scaling of boons.)
Condi Mesmer need to have toughness and vitality to stay alive as they are depending on time (damage over time: DOT) for condition to do their work. It means that Condi Mesmer need to “force” player into hunting them to get damage from Torment and Confusion which is our most common conditions from weapon and traits. That could be one reason why some people think that Condi Mesmer is easy to play as they literally need to stand on your face to get things going. If enemy just stood still then Torment would do very little damage, Confusion do need player to use skills of some kind to make any damage. If player only stand still and wait out conditions of this type, then there would be almost no damage to talk about. Stealth and high level toughness/vitality make this kind of play style possible. Invulnerability is also a strong reason why some other player might think that Mesmer is so easy to play.
In most cases Power Builds need to give up something to be able to make enough damage within each skills recharge time.
Condi mes isn’t hard to play, it’s just hard to beat. Besides if someone has played mes (namely shatter) the transition isn’t all too difficult, but condi mes gets punished if they have no outs.
Condi mesmer damage application and output is mediocre, and has been since the MtD nerf and now indirectly from the alacrity nerf.
Biggest applications come from:
- Shatters
- Scepter 2
- Scepter 3
- Mistrust (but that build sucks in pvp because as soon as you get focused it’s game over)
So scepter 2 is relatively easy to avoid, and now scepter 3 can be fully dodged given how fast the channel is.
Nevermind how easy it is to avoid shatters – and missing shatters as a condi mesmer loses most of the damage. And nevermind how quickly clones and phantasms are vapourised by random aoe.
Now try to play condi without Scepter – yeah, it’s pretty pathetic. I have been using Sword/Torch+Staff Inspiration/Illusions/Chrono Carrion build, and it takes a full F5 mirror images, chain shatter sequence inside and outside F5 to land any serious damage. Sure I can melt other glass cannons (providing the damage hits) but it requires stupid amount of effort for very little reward. Come up against any build with decent sustain (ie druids, scrapper, reaper, rev etc) and it’s immediately noticeable how unrewarding it is, and how mandatory scepter is… The only reason I continue to play Sword/Torch+Staff is because I prefer a more mobile (ileap and phase retreat) and evasive (BF and prestige) playstyle. Scepter doesn’t provide the same enjoyment or satisfaction to use.
My biggest gripe with condi is how anet seems to want all mesmer condi builds to use scepter. All power or hybrid builds don’t have to use Greatsword, in fact they tend to work with any weapon. But playing condi without scepter is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Sorry for that rant but it’s the single most annoying thing in the game for me – and especially when traits like confusion on crit are axed before even making it into the game (would have made nice sword/greatsword hybrid build options).
Anyway people hate condi mesmer because they find it annoying – even though the whole point of mesmer is to be annoying. In any case I have no problems fighting enemy condi mesmers – in fact I feel sorry for them.
People whine on most condition builds, no matter what class it comes from. Many considers it just “condi spam” when it really isn’t any different from “power spam”, you just die later from conditions instead of immediately from power damage.
These people should grow up and realize condition damage should be just as viable to use as power damage, and each has its own counter plays etc, instead of just crying on the forums.
People whine on most condition builds, no matter what class it comes from. Many considers it just “condi spam” when it really isn’t any different from “power spam”, you just die later from conditions instead of immediately from power damage.
This is the greatest bit. People have this odd complex where they think they should be able to facetank a bunch of condie skills and not die from it even though facetanking a bunch of power skills would result in the same outcome but faster.
guys learn the facts: power burst is more sexy than condi burst. thats it.
this is why ppl like to die to dmg burst in 2 sec and not dying to condi burst after 5 sec
condi burst is like slowly suffocating while sword in the heart is more with dignity
which is harder – both.
with power build you need to learn when to burst so no dodge, no block will be used. while condi build is constant so you need to w8 till your enemy also used his condi cleanse and will die after couple of seconds.
also why ppl hate condi mesmer? cause they used the most annoying conditions. torment which prevent movement and confusion which prevent skill use
necro just using bleed and poison mainly (torment as cover)
rev burning and torment
guard burn
engi bleed poison and burn (little bit confusion)
which all hardly prevent movement or skill use like mesmer does
why mesmer is harder cause he got only confusion and torment and hardly any other condition to apply and also all his utility dont proc conditions like engi, guard, rev and necro with rip boons and transfer. also mesmer condition based mainly on shatter which is second hand applier as you need illusions while all other class use first hand applier so if illusion dies before shatter than you miss your burst condi dmg and have to w8 to icd
Even now after the alacrity and chaos armour nerfs I’ve had people saying “condi, nice.” and “condi mesmer so cheap.” and other things along those lines.
Despite the fact that I:
- don’t use scepter
- don’t use Ineptitude (I use godkitten MoF for aoe F3 even though the trait is subpar…)
- don’t use Duelling
- don’t use Chaos
- pretty much rely entirely on shatters for condi application
You seriously can’t win any moral argument against these players, they have it in their minds that condi mesmer is unskilled, cheap and made for noobs to play and will moan and groan till the cows come home, no matter what the state of mesmer is. As soon as these people see any sign of torment or confusion on them it’s like you’re a blooming reincarnation of satan and nothing you do or say will change them from hating you.
Only a few times I’ve had compliments for good play, but it’s rare.
anybody is gonna complain about condi anything given the fact that direct damage is getting nullified by the abundant blocks and invuls you can find with each and every class. very few have condi cleanse without sacrificing some sort of utility or dps, or time to even hit your opponent blasting you with condis.
people that specifically hate condi mes just havent played against mes in general enough. it’s the same with direct dmg shatter, newkids get flustered by a few clones and cry op.
imo. condi damage is sometimes more effective because there is more room for application.
But mesmer in general is a noob stomper class, anyone who doesn’t know how to fight it will rage and cry op.
Anyone who has learned to counter power will rage and cry OP harder at condi because they have to learn to play around that. (even if there is significant crossover)
:/ but I think most people rage at the fact that clones become somewhat useful in applying stacks of main damage source.
After the amulet changes tho I don’t think anyone can complain anymore at least in the context of mesmer.
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“Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
“Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
The application of condi also gets prevented by the same blocks, invulns and evades – it’s just that players in general don’t react to condis until they have already been inflicted with them – if direct damage had hit they would have just lost a chunk of health instantly. If the skills that applied condis were noticed (ie not attacking into scepter 2) and prevented there may be fewer complaints. Cleanse is like an additional safety net.
But I will accept that some “big hitter” condi skills across all classes have pretty hard to read animations, which certainly doesn’t help the situation. Nevermind passive condi application skills…
If all condi application was tied to counterable skills with readable tells and animations then there may be less of a problem.
There are classes harder to play the mesmer condition, I do not deny it.
But at present that making a list of the classes easy to play will get the mesmer? Hell have you ever seen a Scrapper, Druid, Necro?
Do you really want to tell me that at least one of these three should not be balanced?
I should learn how to play Condi but it confuses the hell outta me for some reason
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what i find interesting is the fact (imo) that power combo are easy to learn and notice
while condi combo are more versatile and hard to predict
compare power mesmer to condi mesmer
power will try to open with diversion and mind wrack while condi shatter can open with whatever he likes as all shatter cause condi
same with weapon skills. power gs has the same combo 3+2. while condi weapon has 3+2+4 and not bind to this order
also condi mesmer needs to know when to block to prock the condi dmg and clones
The hatred of condi mesmer comes from the old PU days. Longer stealth which gave almost perma protection + debilitating dissipation (which applied condis on clone death and was undodgeable) meant that it was literally faceroll in 1vX scenarios.
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because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them since i run 3 ways of condi removal in my build but the fight with them is a kittening clown circus with them spamming block, invulnerability frames, stealth and teleporting around, usually lasting until they get exhausted and make a mistake where i take them down
this combined with great mesmer portal utility actually makes them into a serious threat, especially for builds not centered around condi removals
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
Some people think Trump’s not racist or sexist.
There’ s just no accounting for fools.
What class does Trump play?
same here i can fight them. I see the confusion/torment, dodge between (often evading a shatter) and fire cleansing flame with my ele burning the mesmer melting clones at once … them overload cleaving any new clone + the mesmer … Bad mesmers now panic and melt … But they are anoying ^^.
They got feared in WvW with PU constantly bursting condies and stealthing including group stealth. Had big troubles before i learned to play my ele better.
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Laxander, but what you described before was clearly a L2P issue.
You then turn around and describe something completely different, which quite frankly and ironically sounds a lot like fighting a Thief. ;-) (Just let Block == Evade, and instead of Conditions it’s rather strong DD. That combination of burst plus sustained damage, stealth, and high mobility also makes a Thief a serious threat.)
In short, you sounded a lot like you were QQing, when what you describe could easily be posted on the Thief forum with minor adjustments. (And it would be a QQ there too, and I’d get a L2P remark as well…for good reason.)
Hey Sticker – what kind of condi build are you trying to play? It took a bit of practice, but I really like double-scepter plus shield and sword offhands. It gives you a lot of blocks and pretty rapid illusion generation.
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because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Some people think Trump’s not racist or sexist.
There’ s just no accounting for fools.
What class does Trump play?
He won’t say, but whatever it is, he assures us he’s a winner!
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
You mean your class excels at 1v1. Do you know how easy it is to kite literally any other class in this game as a thief?
Nah, who am I kidding, ofc you don’t.
You’re too busy on the mesmer forums complaining about condis on a class that cleanses that 1 condi we throw out in any quantity, with a kittening dodge roll.
And you have 3 of them.
Give us a break, and go to your own forum.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
You mean your class excels at 1v1. Do you know how easy it is to kite literally any other class in this game as a thief?
Nah, who am I kidding, ofc you don’t.You’re too busy on the mesmer forums complaining about condis on a class that cleanses that 1 condi we throw out in any quantity, with a kittening dodge roll.
And you have 3 of them.Give us a break, and go to your own forum.
sheep build d/p thieves cant 1v1 and they never will if they are trying to win at least
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Ah yes, I can clearly see that goal within the nonstop whining about a class that’s already garbage-tier in PvP. The raw altruism and caring that is being displayed just knocks me off my feet.
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
(edited by TheOneWhoSighs.7513)
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Or, and bear with me for this one, or…you could learn to actually play against the Mesmer class. That way you wouldn’t have to sit on the forums whining about it when we beat you all the time.
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Yeah because portal, condis, stealth, and block HAVE NO COUNTER PLAY.
Those 2 seconds of stealth we have from that 1 kittening stealth skill we actually carry on our bar are SO UNBELIEVABLY UNBALANCED!
THAT ONE IMMOBILE BLUR WE HAVE IS SO UNBALANCED.
sigh
Baka
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Yeah because portal, condis, stealth, and block HAVE NO COUNTER PLAY.
Those 2 seconds of stealth we have from that 1 kittening stealth skill we actually carry on our bar are SO UNBELIEVABLY UNBALANCED!
THAT ONE IMMOBILE BLUR WE HAVE IS SO UNBALANCED.
sigh
Baka
you forgot also shield and portal and invul from F4 and then you press F5 and can rotate all those again while having alacrity for reduced cooldowns in case if F5 is unavailable
good design indeed
Alex Shadowdagger – Thief – Blacktide
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Yeah because portal, condis, stealth, and block HAVE NO COUNTER PLAY.
Those 2 seconds of stealth we have from that 1 kittening stealth skill we actually carry on our bar are SO UNBELIEVABLY UNBALANCED!
THAT ONE IMMOBILE BLUR WE HAVE IS SO UNBALANCED.
sigh
Bakayou forgot also shield and portal and invul from F4 and then you press F5 and can rotate all those again while having alacrity for reduced cooldowns in case if F5 is unavailable
good design indeed
I mentioned portal.
Shield is a situational pick for me. I don’t like running it against a lot of classes.
Using F4 in a fight means I don’t have it for stomping, and mesmer isn’t great at cleaving downs.
Capable, not great.
If I use CS for defensive purposes, then I don’t have it for offensive purposes.
A.K.A. Moa.
So essentially, I won’t have moa for 90 seconds. (Actually casting the moa isn’t recommended)
Oh, i’m sorry. 87 seconds. That 33% alacrity that I have up for a grand total of 5 seconds makes such a difference.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
It’s extremely easy to crush bad players with it, but that’s the case with Mesmer as a whole.
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Yeah because portal, condis, stealth, and block HAVE NO COUNTER PLAY.
Those 2 seconds of stealth we have from that 1 kittening stealth skill we actually carry on our bar are SO UNBELIEVABLY UNBALANCED!
THAT ONE IMMOBILE BLUR WE HAVE IS SO UNBALANCED.
sigh
Bakayou forgot also shield and portal and invul from F4 and then you press F5 and can rotate all those again while having alacrity for reduced cooldowns in case if F5 is unavailable
good design indeed
You clearly have no idea how the F5 mechanic works at all. You clearly are salty about getting pounded by mesmers and you don’t understand why, so you come to the forums to whine instead of trying to learn and become better.
because mesmer has easy access to the most damaging conditions – torment and confusion
and after they apply 5 stacks of confusion and 7 stacks of torment while hiding in stealth or spamming blind preventing counter-attack they just spam their endless defensive cds while you take 1.5k damage per second
Sounds like somebody has no idea how to fight a condie mesmer, refuses to learn, and as a result ends up eating dirt every time he sees one.
Might I offer the advice of….l2p?
what a pathetic attempt of a personal attack, most definitely i dont lose to them
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
if salty mesmer mains cant accept they are unable to play the class without the unkillable chronobunker build they can always reroll to scrapper or rev
If salty thief mains can’t accept that they have no functional reason to ever lose to a mesmer unless they’re bad, they can always uninstall the game.
never said i lose to mesmers, my build excels in 1v1
Sure, whatever you say.
If you actually never lost to mesmers, you wouldn’t be here whining about them. Obviously there’s a little bit of defensive fabrication going on.
im here because im worried for the state of game’s health
Because Mesmers are definitely the linchpin with the state of the game’s health.
And not Eles, Revenants, or Scrappers.
None of those 3 classes need their forums trolled or anything.
No no. The deciding factor in this new meta is mesmer.
well if anet nerfed terrible mechanics in mesmer’s class they could probably buff something else which has counterplay and is not so unfun to play against
Yeah because portal, condis, stealth, and block HAVE NO COUNTER PLAY.
Those 2 seconds of stealth we have from that 1 kittening stealth skill we actually carry on our bar are SO UNBELIEVABLY UNBALANCED!
THAT ONE IMMOBILE BLUR WE HAVE IS SO UNBALANCED.
sigh
Bakayou forgot also shield and portal and invul from F4 and then you press F5 and can rotate all those again while having alacrity for reduced cooldowns in case if F5 is unavailable
good design indeed
let me explain you how f5 works
if you got 3 illusion up (if as usually you will have 1 and rarle 2 mid fight) than you have about 6 sec to cast some offensive and defensive abilities. after those 6 sec all will be recharged and you teleport back with the same health and same cd you had before you activate f5
so any skills used before F5 will get the same cd it had before you activate it.
so you cant use f4 before f5 and use it again only f5 and f4 and again f4.
you cant use portal and than f5 rathar f5 portal exit go few steps portal enter than you teleport back with no reason to sue portal….
so smart mesmer who know he has no healing or blink and see the burst coming will use f5 take the dmg and after 4 sec will be full health again . this is the tactic to know your enemy combos.
Pyro…. I can’t believe the amount of stupid we’ve had lately on the Mesmer forum. Between the person thinking Open World PvE needs specialized builds and makes a “profit”, the person that thinks condi Mesmer is the best thing since sliced bread because one team ran it over the weekend, and now this guy. There must have been a convention were they passed out some of the good stuff and we weren’t called in on it.
On topic, condi Mesmer, to me, hasn’t been as good since they deleted clone death traits. Why? Because now our three most easily applied conditions are torment, bleed, and confusion. Unless you run dueling I don’t find bleeds to be worth it so that leaves torment and confusion. Both of which have received nerfs over the years. The most important one recently was the nerf to MtD so that the torment stacks we applied on shatter was 1 from 2. Which sucks. Now you’re essentially bursting someone and if they clear it, dogde, or invuln through it like you would a power shatter you’re screwed until you can set up another burst.
Which basically means the only reason for any team to take Mesmer now after quickness nerfs is portal. And it’s not strong if you can’t use it properly.
Sachyi Asuna. A [KING]’s Mesmer Unified Kingdom
Pyro…. I can’t believe the amount of stupid we’ve had lately on the Mesmer forum. Between the person thinking Open World PvE needs specialized builds and makes a “profit”, the person that thinks condi Mesmer is the best thing since sliced bread because one team ran it over the weekend, and now this guy. There must have been a convention were they passed out some of the good stuff and we weren’t called in on it.
On topic, condi Mesmer, to me, hasn’t been as good since they deleted clone death traits. Why? Because now our three most easily applied conditions are torment, bleed, and confusion. Unless you run dueling I don’t find bleeds to be worth it so that leaves torment and confusion. Both of which have received nerfs over the years. The most important one recently was the nerf to MtD so that the torment stacks we applied on shatter was 1 from 2. Which sucks. Now you’re essentially bursting someone and if they clear it, dogde, or invuln through it like you would a power shatter you’re screwed until you can set up another burst.
Which basically means the only reason for any team to take Mesmer now after quickness nerfs is portal. And it’s not strong if you can’t use it properly.
You’re talking to someone who hasn’t posted in this thread. 0_o
Pyro…. I can’t believe the amount of stupid we’ve had lately on the Mesmer forum. Between the person thinking Open World PvE needs specialized builds and makes a “profit”, the person that thinks condi Mesmer is the best thing since sliced bread because one team ran it over the weekend, and now this guy. There must have been a convention were they passed out some of the good stuff and we weren’t called in on it.
On topic, condi Mesmer, to me, hasn’t been as good since they deleted clone death traits. Why? Because now our three most easily applied conditions are torment, bleed, and confusion. Unless you run dueling I don’t find bleeds to be worth it so that leaves torment and confusion. Both of which have received nerfs over the years. The most important one recently was the nerf to MtD so that the torment stacks we applied on shatter was 1 from 2. Which sucks. Now you’re essentially bursting someone and if they clear it, dogde, or invuln through it like you would a power shatter you’re screwed until you can set up another burst.
Which basically means the only reason for any team to take Mesmer now after quickness nerfs is portal. And it’s not strong if you can’t use it properly.
Well I will try to be as unbiased as popular, moa is the strongest elite in the game especially in a coordinated team based environment which the game should be balanced around anyways. That being said condi mes is great for ranked because it pub stomps the plebs really hard for two reasons. 1) They don’t know how to wait out confusion stacks when their condi clear is down, they have been groomed to think that more buttons=better results which is why condi mes can be incredibly satisfying to play; you just know blatantly when the guy is new/bad.
2) Most people in GW2 have been conditioned to think that the only ‘honorable’ (lmao) way of playing is through power damage, probably because condi is admittedly superior in wvw scenarios vs most things so the only players they feel deservingly and fairly beat them are those who do so through power builds. Because of this, they build their traits, sigils and such to be optimized vs power builds and then when a build comes along that PUNISHES them for their greedy build they decide to take it up on the forums instead of yielding to the fact that just mayyyybe that fire sigil or pulmonary impact wasn’t the best choice vs 2 reapers and a condi mes. I donno man I get kicks from watching a war pop berserker stance when 2 confusion is on him and then when i unload the cds and he drops ‘WOW CONDI OP’. Get checked seriously.
(edited by Aurugal.6954)
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