Guild Wars 2

RM, Mistrust, Scepter AA nice …

Mesmer

• Feedback: This skill is now ground targeted and no longer requires a target.
• Mental Defense: The cooldown on this trait is no longer affected by Signet of the Ether.
• Ether Clone: This skill no longer generates a clone if the player has the max number of illusions. It instead applies 2 stacks of torment for 5 seconds.
• Chaos Armor: This skill no longer blinds enemies. It will instead apply weakness to them for 3 seconds. The applied duration for swiftness and confusion has been increased from 3 seconds to 5 seconds.
• Chaotic Dampening: The duration of protection has been reduced from 5 seconds to 4 seconds.
• Duelist’s Discipline: The chance to bleed has been increased from 33% to 50%. Bleed duration has been increased from 5 seconds to 6 seconds.
• Restorative Mantras: The healing attribute scaling of this trait has been increased by 400%. The healing from this trait will now be listed in the combat log.
• Furious Interruption: The cooldown of this trait has been reduced from 5 seconds to 3 seconds.
• Evasive Mirror: The duration of this trait has been increased from 1.5 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Mistrust: The number of confusion stacks this trait applies has been increased from 2 to 4.
• Malicious Sorcery: The attack speed increase from this trait has been increased from 15% to 20%.
• Bountiful Disillusionment: The duration of resistance applied in a radius has been reduced from 5 seconds to 2.5 seconds.
• Temporal Enchanter: The duration of resistance granted by this trait has been reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.

Yep. Basically we knew only half of the nerfs.
The buffs were only on already useless things instead of lacking but usefull/better things.
Some QoL (feedback/ Ether Clone)
Rework/buff on scepter was basically the 5%

Rejoice!!

That’s it for scepter ? Why bother writing it on the Q1 thingy.

Only good thing is Feedback QoL.

Honestly, this may be a small change, but this is huge for condition mesmer in PvE.
With duelist’s discipline buff + scepter QoL, I think condition mesmer will now be the highest possible DPS.

Yeah I mean the best thing I see is the feedback being ground targeted after…. How many times it’s been asked for that change?
I’m glad they nerfed our access to resistance though, it was OP having BD apply 5 seconds of it on a shatter with a long CD.
Not liking the Chaos Armor/Dampening changes either. But I guess we see how it all plays out.

Still can’t believe they stuck with the aegis pulse for 3 seconds. So freaking stupid.

Buh buh buh we don’t know all the changes!

Mesmer sucesfully removed from PvE and PvP

Ok, wait a minute, why was our Resistance nerfed? BD’s was on the shatter with the longest CD, and Temperal Enchanter is barely used as is. This doesn’t make sense to me.

I like the Mistrust change, though. I’ll be sure to try it out.

Silverkey.2078:

Honestly, this may be a small change, but this is huge for condition mesmer in PvE.
With duelist’s discipline buff + scepter QoL, I think condition mesmer will now be the highest possible DPS.

Doenst change the fact that torment/confusion conditions sucks in pve.
Meaning: ye its a buff in condi pve mesmer. No, still wont make it a thing.

FJSAMA.2867:

Silverkey.2078:

Honestly, this may be a small change, but this is huge for condition mesmer in PvE.
With duelist’s discipline buff + scepter QoL, I think condition mesmer will now be the highest possible DPS.

Doenst change the fact that torment/confusion conditions sucks in pve.
Meaning: ye its a buff in condi pve mesmer. No, still wont make it a thing.

Yes, which is why condition mesmer in PvE works with bleeds mostly. Now conditions should outDPS power.

Scepter: Lazy slap-on of conditions on the AA and +5% on MS, the weapon’s cadence is still monstrously slow and clunky, skill 2 still useless. THIS is your big scepter rework, really?

Alacrity and Quickness, the only reasons anybody tolerated us in groups, nerfed heavily.
Feedback change only makes it slower and clumsier to use instead of being a near-instant single button press.
Chaos Armor and Chaotic Dampening nerfed, because staff was such a useful weapon before, right guys?
Duelist’s Discipline still useless because we have too many other offhands.
Restorative Mantras still useless because mantras are still useless.
Furious Interruption still useless outside builds you’re already destroying in many other ways.
Evasive Mirror still useless. Seriously in contention for Mesmer’s most useless trait, which is saying a lot.
Mistrust useless.
Malicious Sorcery already covered, absolutely pointless change that does NOTHING to address the problems with scepter.
Resistance nerf.
Well of Precognition joins the ever-growing garbage pile of worthless Mesmer utilities.

Thanks so much guys. Thanks for this. You outdid yourselves in proving again, has you have many times before, that you hate Mesmers and that them being strong and useful is considered an unacceptable problem.

Silverkey.2078:

FJSAMA.2867:

Silverkey.2078:

Honestly, this may be a small change, but this is huge for condition mesmer in PvE.
With duelist’s discipline buff + scepter QoL, I think condition mesmer will now be the highest possible DPS.

Doenst change the fact that torment/confusion conditions sucks in pve.
Meaning: ye its a buff in condi pve mesmer. No, still wont make it a thing.

Yes, which is why condition mesmer in PvE works with bleeds mostly. Now conditions should outDPS power.

You will still rely on AI (duelists) to apply it. (Ex. seekers will soak it up)

Look at the thief changes—thief will eat mesmer alive (again)…especially condi mesmer, because guarded initiation removes confusion on a 1s ICD.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

Scepter: Lazy slap-on of conditions on the AA and +5% on MS, the weapon’s cadence is still monstrously slow and clunky, skill 2 still useless. THIS is your big scepter rework, really?

Alacrity Nerfed. Quickness nerfed. Chaos Armor and Chaotic Dampening nerfed (because staff was such a useful weapon before, right guys?),
Duelist’s Discipline still useless because we have too many other offhands.
Restorative Mantras still useless because mantras are still useless. FI still useless outside builds you’re already destroying in many other ways, Evasive Mirror still useless. Seriously in contention for Mesmer’s most useless trait.
Mistrust useless.
Malicious Sorcery already covered, absolutely pointless change that does NOTHING to address the problems with scepter.
Resistance nerf.

Thanks so much guys. Thanks for this. You outdid yourselves in proving you hate Mesmers and that them being strong and useful is considered an unacceptable problem.

Oh but it’s ok. Feedback is ground targeted to make up for it all.

Yeah, I think that’s what I’ll keep telling myself

The annoying part from this is:

• tempest auramancer slightly nerfed (duration of auras reduced) + celestial
• scrapper barely nerfed
• DH barely nerfed
• Reaper buffed
• Druid buffed
• Revenant nerfed, but will still have OP sustain in glassy amulets
• Daredevil buffed
• Berserker buffed

• Chronomancer: assassinated

So all the OP builds (condi and power rev, scrapper, druid) will still be there, the mildly OP will be fully OP (reaper), the non-OP will now be OP (daredevil), but mesmer is nerfed to the ground…

I am sorry but I do feel like the only class fully screwed by this patch.

Alacrity nerf seriously hurts.

And reapers are super scary. :o

The effect of 33% alacrity on shatter builds not running wells or shield, whether power or condition is awful.

Completely invalidates the build I was playing as cooldowns are all too long to justify the damage output.

That’s because we were the only one seriously screwed. Did some changes happen that will hurt other classes? Sure.
But kitten man, the buffs to thief alone are bad enough not to mention that the buffs to necro would eat a boon sharing Mesmer alive.
Meta for a couple months and people lose their kitten. I never played Chrono bunker as it’s not my style, but it was counter able and the buffs to those classes alone would have been enough to counter it

They actually nerfed Temporal Enchanter… because… Glamours… I don’t… wha…

Mesmer changes:

The change to Scepter is nice although they certainly made it sound more impactful. The change for Mistrust is good but I still feel it needs more. Interrupt builds currently don’t work. The change to Restorative Mantras was needed. The change to Duelists Discipline is nice but doesn’t solve the issue with the Duelling line as a whole.

The other stuff isn’t worth mentioning from my point of view. Our viability in PvE will still depend on Alacrity. I don’t see any improvements from a PvP perspective so we might be back to square one. And I also don’t think that those changes matter for WvW.

A change I enjoy:

King of Fires: This trait’s functionalty has changed. It now gives fire shield on a critical hit (15-second internal cooldown). Using berserker skills detonates any fire shield currently applied, inflicting 3 stacks of burning for 3 seconds to nearby foes. Increases outgoing burning duration by 33%.

I’ll miss my pre-Meta-Burnzerker but it was needed.

A change that made me laugh:

Stalwart Defender: Increased toughness gained when wielding a shield from 180 toughness to 240 toughness.

Why? This was just wasted time. For everyone.

My personal winner of the patch:

Necromancers

Honorable mention:

Ranger Shout rework

Jace al Thor.6745:

That’s because we were the only one seriously screwed. Did some changes happen that will hurt other classes? Sure.
But kitten man, the buffs to thief alone are bad enough not to mention that the buffs to necro would eat a boon sharing Mesmer alive.
Meta for a couple months and people lose their kitten. I never played Chrono bunker as it’s not my style, but it was counter able and the buffs to those classes alone would have been enough to counter it

It seems every other build than chronobunker (which is also gone) is royally kittened right about now.

Standard nuke it from orbit.

Curunen.8729:

Standard nuke it from orbit.

At least they reduced visual noise on that one.

Curunen.8729:

Jace al Thor.6745:

That’s because we were the only one seriously screwed. Did some changes happen that will hurt other classes? Sure.
But kitten man, the buffs to thief alone are bad enough not to mention that the buffs to necro would eat a boon sharing Mesmer alive.
Meta for a couple months and people lose their kitten. I never played Chrono bunker as it’s not my style, but it was counter able and the buffs to those classes alone would have been enough to counter it

It seems every other build than chronobunker (which is also gone) is royally kittened right about now.

Standard nuke it from orbit.

Aye. I play a S/S Staff zerker shatter Mesmer and the changes to chaotic dampening/armor will hurt. The lack of blind will sorely be missed as it was a major way I was able to survive without having to use blurred frenzy and f4

I mean at least they could have boosted Flow of Time back to 1s per illusion…

Or increases MtD back to two stacks and made condi a better choice.

So the healing on mantras is increased from 2600 to 10,400?

Guess I’m not playing with the Chrono tree anymore. Or did I do my math wrong?

Healing scalling with healing power. Not the amount. (its a pothole “buff”).
Basically healing power will affect it. Yet you have to spend stats there to have any effect.
So lets all sacrifice offensive stats even more ( power/precision/ferocity/condi/condi duration) to support rather the same

Most of the Mesmer changers are fine.

Alacrity changes are to much for chrono. This should have never been nerfed so hard. If outgoing alacrity was an issue all chronomancers should retain their 66% and make outgoing restore at a rate of 33%

FJSAMA.2867:

Healing scalling with healing power. Not the amount. (its a pothole “buff”)

Oh. So it’s still royally useless. Got it.

Why did they put 400% then? Big numbers sound cool?

Oh wow. They actually put that Precog Well change through. Oh dear.

That sceptre auto-attack change seems to have been lifted straight out of the many sceptre threads on here. I might actually turn on the auto-attack now if I’m feeling super lazy.

Well I’ll be… this is quite the clusterf of changes

SPvP:
So we get a very significant nerf (alacrity & quickness rez/stomp), and a couple of buffs to fairly niche traits makes that better? Also nerf some other traits, because reasons (glamour GM)

PvE:
We literally only got one actual damage buff in DD… Our support gets wrecked but we don’t get actual damage concessions to keep viable?

Scepter:
Scepter buffs look like bandaid cover-ups to convince people its not bad. Glad it’s more torment as it’d be a shame to have a broader range of conditions. When am I going to sit on Scepter with 3 illusions just for a couple torment?

I honestly don’t see the point of playing Mesmer anymore. Just for jumping puzzles I guess.

So glad I have blade and soul to satisfy my pvp urges
See you when anet gets their fingers out of their kitten

Simonoly.4352:

That sceptre auto-attack change seems to have been lifted straight out of the many sceptre threads on here. I might actually turn on the auto-attack now if I’m feeling super lazy.

I just liked the way they made it. (sarcasm)
So scepter is one of worst mesmer weps -> buffs = 5% and overdue QoL
Sword/Dagger of thief = best weapons ( and top dmg coeficients over all Sword/dagger wielders) -> buffs = 40% on dmg and ~30% (?) faster chain (attack speed)

I guess we got the amount of “love” when nerfing than other classes in buffing
Same applies to buffing: we got the same amount of love when buffing than other classes in nerfing.
Mesmer world is upsidedown. Kappa.

Pepsi.8907:

So glad I have blade and soul to satisfy my pvp urges
See you when anet gets their fingers out of their kitten

I’m right there with you. Pyro will probably be along shortly after seeing the changes

Jace al Thor.6745:

Pepsi.8907:

So glad I have blade and soul to satisfy my pvp urges
See you when anet gets their fingers out of their kitten

I’m right there with you. Pyro will probably be along shortly after seeing the changes

I really need to try Blade and Soul.

Ananeos.4587:

FJSAMA.2867:

Healing scalling with healing power. Not the amount. (its a pothole “buff”)

Oh. So it’s still royally useless. Got it.

Why did they put 400% then? Big numbers sound cool?

Yes. Big numbers. 400% > 0.8.

That being said, it’s quite entertaining that basically every class aside from Necromancers is upset. Even Thieves. So yet another 3 months to wait, I guess?

Need to think more positively: "I feel a little better for pre-ordering “The Division”."

See how its done.

Meh, actually my issue with this is independent of Mesmer-specific changes: This is it?

This tiny piece of balance changes for each class is the much-hyped “quarterly balance patch”? With half the skills of every class practically being never used, that’s not even to mention traits, we get 1-2 dozen changes per class? Ugh.

At this dev speed, there’s no way they can keep up with a changing game. I was expecting balance changes per class as long as the entire all-classes list. :’(

Carighan.6758:

Meh, actually my issue with this is independent of Mesmer-specific changes: This is it?

This tiny piece of balance changes for each class is the much-hyped “quarterly balance patch”? With half the skills of every class practically being never used, that’s not even to mention traits, we get 1-2 dozen changes per class? Ugh.

At this dev speed, there’s no way they can keep up with a changing game. I was expecting balance changes per class as long as the entire all-classes list. :’(

I agree that I was expecting more damage modifiers to a broad range of skills, CD tweaks… that sort of thing. Just making bad traits marginally less bad is not a balance patch.

You guys should try out Warframe if you’re looking for a new game. You can actually play support and still have great damage contribution. Shocking concept, I know. Can probably consider it my “main game” now, despite having been with GW for over ten years. Oh well. All things must pass.

Can all of the people who repeated the mantra:
“We don’t even know all of the changes yet”

Please stand up, and leave the room.

Okay, are they gone now?

So, who wants to play B&S until BDO comes out?

Myrias.8732:

I agree that I was expecting more damage modifiers to a broad range of skills, CD tweaks… that sort of thing. Just making bad traits marginally less bad is not a balance patch.

Everyone was praying for that , but anet managed to deliver once again.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Can all of the people who repeated the mantra:
“We don’t even know all of the changes yet”

Please stand up, and leave the room.

Okay, are they gone now?

So, who wants to play B&S until BDO comes out?

Please, they are all in game on their theives spamming auto attacks. They were never Mesmers.

Levetty.1279:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Can all of the people who repeated the mantra:
“We don’t even know all of the changes yet”

Please stand up, and leave the room.

Okay, are they gone now?

So, who wants to play B&S until BDO comes out?

Please, they are all in game on their theives spamming auto attacks. They were never Mesmers.

Well yeah. Thieves, guards, and ele’s have always been meta since I can remember. Thief gets pushed out and Katy bar the door buff them so that they’re even better +1’ers and decappers. (Can someone explain to me why there’s a problem with this amoung thieves? You choose a class that’s meant to be played squishy and “attack from the shadows” yet you want more build variety and stand on a point to tank it. Makes no sense).

Levetty.1279:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Can all of the people who repeated the mantra:
“We don’t even know all of the changes yet”

Please stand up, and leave the room.

Okay, are they gone now?

So, who wants to play B&S until BDO comes out?

Please, they are all in game on their theives spamming auto attacks. They were never Mesmers.

I just went against 3 necros and 2 thieves. We still won tho, but kitten… I was the only mesmer.

I went Sc/Pis condi cancer to see how well it works. It’s pretty good.

I was ready to kitten my pants when I saw the team composition thought.

The composition means nothing if your opponents are not at your level or your team. The problem comes when you compete with the level of your league, qualifying, semifinals, etc. So, wait to the next season… We’ll see the wall and if we’ll be able to climb it or not.

Curunen.8729:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Pepsi.8907:

So glad I have blade and soul to satisfy my pvp urges
See you when anet gets their fingers out of their kitten

I’m right there with you. Pyro will probably be along shortly after seeing the changes

I really need to try Blade and Soul.

@Jace: what server (and level) are you on?
@Curunen:
Seeing as its F2P on top of everything else making me like this game, I’ll say that it’s DEFINITELY worth a shot, despite the horrid queue times (my server can go as high as 90 min before getting in, so it’s worth considering when loging in)
Plan something or log in a couple of minutes before being able to play, my own tips.
And beware of gold seller spamming the chat, otherwise the game is satisfying me more than gw2 did the past year.

Levetty.1279:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Can all of the people who repeated the mantra:
“We don’t even know all of the changes yet”

Please stand up, and leave the room.

Okay, are they gone now?

So, who wants to play B&S until BDO comes out?

Please, they are all in game on their theives spamming auto attacks. They were never Mesmers.

Sorry Levetty, I’m mesmer and I was part of the players who said that.
I really REALLY hoped, you know :<.
But I’ll get out now. I have B&S waiting for me.

Silverkey.2078:

Honestly, this may be a small change, but this is huge for condition mesmer in PvE.
With duelist’s discipline buff + scepter QoL, I think condition mesmer will now be the highest possible DPS.

Not everyone wants to play condi though… it’s super boring and takes no effort to spam condis and wait till your enemy dies… which is exactly where this next meta is heading. especially with all the resistance nerfs and then the boon corrupts on necro.

So sure maybe condi mes is ‘saved’ but its not gonna be any better than a condi necro or rev or even a war for that matter.

Ikasun or something like that. And lvl 25 I think. I’ve been playing a kungkittenmaster so just been taking my time leveling up in PvE helping the guildies that moved over with me adjust to a new game.
And gold seller spam is horrendous but if you turn off map and faction chat it isn’t nearly as bad.
Definitely have a game/tv show on stand by if you stuck in a long queue. It’ll calm down as the weeks progress though I think.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Ikasun or something like that. And lvl 25 I think. I’ve been playing a kungkittenmaster so just been taking my time leveling up in PvE helping the guildies that moved over with me adjust to a new game.
And gold seller spam is horrendous but if you turn off map and faction chat it isn’t nearly as bad.
Definitely have a game/tv show on stand by if you stuck in a long queue. It’ll calm down as the weeks progress though I think.

WOW censoring F*U ahah
It will. Lol was the same in its early days: 2h+ of queue time.
I’m in master Hong, sadly.
I’ll still add you in F.List for dungeons tho, it’s always nice to do them with friends and all since you can take turn for the bids ahah x)

Oh lord. I just noticed that.
I am the master of the kitten martial arts!
I bought a founders pack so I’ve got premium, longest queue I had to deal with was 1.5 minutes XD but some guildies had to wait an hour or so at the longest.

Ah well. Should have made a post telling everyone where to go. But I do love the cross server dungeon stuff even though I suck at dungeons. My characters name is Sachyi btw.