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Wron, noob! Come back when ur mesmer level is above average if not just shut up and stop crying. No experience + crying = pathetic to kill urself, nobody gonna take u serious, plus you don’t give any full, usefull explanation, this is even more useless topic.

So it would be hard to answer to all the personal attack I got. So I will reply for all at once

So I main ranger. Yes I know they are UP. I don’t want mesmer to reach that lower tier! They actually never reached it as far as my memory goes (since release, but ranger was good at the time). I play every class (except heavies) and atm with only a classic shatter build in spvp I can 100-0 people, stun 3 time in 15 sec, being as stealthy as a thief, ranged dps rivalizing ranger, reflect for days, stack might, have decent +% dmg modifier, lots of blinds, etc. When I look to most other class, None of them has close to that amount of strong defense mechanism (I look at the phantasmal defender, PU, stealth, invuln, teleport) and that amount of strong burst/sustain dmg (some say it lacks sustain dmg, I do agree. But when you can burst 100-0 every 15 sec or so, it is kinda great sustain dmg).

The whole kit works too well thats just plain simple haha. Traits are just so good its, hard to pick one except in rare cases.

Some might say: “but you have to bring a stun breaker!!!” I have 2, and its not enough as you can stun 2 times in 10 sec with only one mantra. And you can do it while bursting.

But once again it is pure theory and I don’t like to stay in theory. I did this post with my experience of the last patch and how they introduced mesmer on the top of the food chain. By quite a large margin. I tried alot of build on alot of class. I’m sure not the best player in the world. But once I hop on my mesmer I just become 2x better. Any troll build I have made with mesmer are all somewhat viable. The whole class has too much things built in! (would you mind sharing with ranger joke )

That result in the fact that I just dont enjoy fighting mesmer at all. Every other class has a little something to counter or watch for. Mesmer are hard to read because of stealth but also because of the instant stun shatter, teleport, reflect,etc. Everything fall in place to have little to no fun fighting them.

Final Word: No Im not back pedalling… Haha

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Fay.2357:

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Xstein.2187:

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Fay.2357:

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You guys are discussing with bad faith. If you are bringing nothing to the table, I suggest you to leave the discussion.

Klonko.8341:

Xstein.2187:

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Fay.2357:

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You guys are discussing with bad faith. If you are bringing nothing to the table, I suggest you to leave the discussion.

Thread police? since when?
And I quote your earlier statement “Mesmers are hard to read because of the stealth”
And? So? theives are hard to read but whoaaaa?! I manage to beat them? Maybe get a little better sunny boy.

And if you have no fun fighting mesmers, Then…Oh well.

Ok, how about a granular breakdown?

Klonko.8341:

atm with only a classic shatter build in spvp I can 100-0 people,

This is a lie. You can’t 100-0 anyone that isn’t afk, zero defenses or hp, and lowest hp tier.

Klonko.8341:

stun 3 time in 15 sec,

Congratulations for learning to mash MoD off of cooldown I guess? That’s not going to do anything against even a bad opponent though.

Klonko.8341:

being as stealthy as a thief,

This is a lie.

Klonko.8341:

ranged dps rivalizing ranger,

This is a lie.

Klonko.8341:

reflect for days, stack might, have decent +% dmg modifier, lots of blinds, etc.

Ah yes, the fabled build taking shattered strength, blinding dissipation, evasive mirror, harmonious mantras, deceptive evasion, mental torment, PU, and CI all in one.

Aka, this is a lie.

I could keep going, but I don’t really see the point in it. Basically your entire post is wrong. You’re lying. Everything you’ve said is a misrepresentation of reality and that drivel doesn’t deserve a real response.

Klonko.8341:

Xstein.2187:

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Fay.2357:

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You guys are discussing with bad faith. If you are bringing nothing to the table, I suggest you to leave the discussion.

Your original post clearly shows you know very little about mesmer. So don’t be mad at people bashing at you. Many of us spent hundreds of hours playing this class and know every bit of strength and weakness of the class. Sure we can still be biased but it is hard to have any constructive discussion between two sides with dramatic knowledge difference.

Klonko.8341:

You guys are discussing with bad faith. If you are bringing nothing to the table, I suggest you to leave the discussion.

I was gonna explain but pyro beat me to it. Basically your ridiculous claims show your abysmal understanding of the class. Until you stop making hugely exggerated claims like being able to 100-0 someone, having ranged DPS even approaching a ranger, stealth like a thief or running a 6/6/6/6/6 build, you’ll simply be dismissed as another clueless whiner, which we’ve largely run out of patience for since you guys pop up almost daily nowadays.

Thread under construction, Please come back when OP makes sense

Personally I do not enjoy rolling my ele w/ both water and earth trait lines. But someone have fun with this. On paper when water and earth ele vs chaos and inspirations Mesmer, it probably will last ages and end with a draw. But does it mean OP?

Guys, come on, you’ve seen how many 4 mesmer 1 thief comps we’ve had in torny finals.

Oh wait…

You all claim to know your class. You experimented all of their strenght or weakness. Sure. You havent experimented the enemy POV. And that’s the point.

Its like the king looking at his treasure and saying im poor I only have a few thousand gold pieces! While the peasant or artisan might be happy with what they have. But when they change place with the king, they don’t want to go back to the peasant/artisan life.

And that’s precisely what I lived with my mesmer experience this past few months. And this is why I think my claim is funded.

Attack me all you want but you dont have thousands of hours in the eyes of another class fighting the reworked mesmer

Klonko.8341:

You all claim to know your class. You experimented all of their strenght or weakness. Sure. You havent experimented the enemy POV. And that’s the point.

Its like the king looking at his treasure and saying im poor I only have a few thousand gold pieces! While the peasant or artisan might be happy with what they have. But when they change place with the king, they don’t want to go back to the peasant/artisan life.

And that’s precisely what I lived with my mesmer experience this past few months.

No, it’s like a guy coming up with a tricycle and claiming that it can compete against a porsche in a race. The similarity between this post and that example is that both are astonishingly lacking in intellect.

You once again didnt read my post. I mentionned how priviligied the class feels like from a stranger to the class.

Another point: You critize the autor not the fact he brings and that’s bad. You simply reply “lie” and bring nothing to help your point of view.

Klonko.8341:

You once again didnt read my post. I mentionned how priviligied the class feels like from a stranger to the class.

And I mentioned how incredibly divorced from reality all your posts are.

Klonko.8341:

You once again didnt read my post. I mentionned how priviligied the class feels like from a stranger to the class.

And you didn’t read his.
You made wild, totally inaccurate claims about what you can accomplish with your mesmer that make you feel so “privileged,” and he pointed out that they were not true.

Make realistic claims, and you’ll perhaps get a realistic response.

But lie to us again, and you’ll just get the boot to the face again.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Klonko.8341:

You once again didnt read my post. I mentionned how priviligied the class feels like from a stranger to the class.

And you didn’t read his.
You made wild, totally inaccurate claims about what you can accomplish with your mesmer that make you feel so “privileged,” and he pointed out that they were not true.

Make realistic claims, and you’ll perhaps get a realistic response.

But lie to us again, and you’ll just get the boot to the face again.

The only realistic claim I could do is agree with you all by what it seems. But its not what my experience dictate. You guys are getting so pumped with your emotions that doesnt even bother to bring in argument. You are saying my arguments are unfounded? Prove it and I will agree with you. You are playing the same old song (IE unrealistic claim).

Also some comments are really offensive. The mesmer community image suffer alot from this.

Klonko.8341:

You all claim to know your class. You experimented all of their strenght or weakness. Sure. You havent experimented the enemy POV. And that’s the point.

Its like the king looking at his treasure and saying im poor I only have a few thousand gold pieces! While the peasant or artisan might be happy with what they have. But when they change place with the king, they don’t want to go back to the peasant/artisan life.

And that’s precisely what I lived with my mesmer experience this past few months. And this is why I think my claim is funded.

Attack me all you want but you dont have thousands of hours in the eyes of another class fighting the reworked mesmer

I bet I can take your King Mesmer alt with my Peasant Killshot Warrior alt.

Klonko.8341:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Klonko.8341:

You once again didnt read my post. I mentionned how priviligied the class feels like from a stranger to the class.

And you didn’t read his.
You made wild, totally inaccurate claims about what you can accomplish with your mesmer that make you feel so “privileged,” and he pointed out that they were not true.

Make realistic claims, and you’ll perhaps get a realistic response.

But lie to us again, and you’ll just get the boot to the face again.

The only realistic claim I could do is agree with you all by what it seems. But its not what my experience dictate. You guys are getting so pumped with your emotions that doesnt even bother to bring in argument. You are saying my arguments are unfounded? Prove it and I will agree with you. You are playing the same old song (IE unrealistic claim).

You’re the one claiming Mesmer is OP, the burden of proof is on you :p

All you did was list a bunch of features a Mesmer has and shout “OP! OP!”

Klonko.8341:

You all claim to know your class. You experimented all of their strenght or weakness. Sure. You havent experimented the enemy POV. And that’s the point.

Its like the king looking at his treasure and saying im poor I only have a few thousand gold pieces! While the peasant or artisan might be happy with what they have. But when they change place with the king, they don’t want to go back to the peasant/artisan life.

And that’s precisely what I lived with my mesmer experience this past few months. And this is why I think my claim is funded.

Attack me all you want but you dont have thousands of hours in the eyes of another class fighting the reworked mesmer

You are wrong again here. Mesmer is my main but mesmer games only consist of 40% of my total PvP games. I know how it feels like to play every single class in the meta game except for maybe necromancers.

I play all classes so that I can understand the basics for each of them. I challenge you to do the same on mesmers. Play at least 20-30 rated games(not a high number) before you make any comments.

Ross Biddle.2367:

All you did was list a bunch of features a Mesmer has and shout “OP! OP!”

*allegedly has.

He did list “stealthy as a thief” in his list of features, among other eyebrow-raisers.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Klonko.8341:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Klonko.8341:

You once again didnt read my post. I mentionned how priviligied the class feels like from a stranger to the class.

And you didn’t read his.
You made wild, totally inaccurate claims about what you can accomplish with your mesmer that make you feel so “privileged,” and he pointed out that they were not true.

Make realistic claims, and you’ll perhaps get a realistic response.

But lie to us again, and you’ll just get the boot to the face again.

The only realistic claim I could do is agree with you all by what it seems. But its not what my experience dictate. You guys are getting so pumped with your emotions that doesnt even bother to bring in argument. You are saying my arguments are unfounded? Prove it and I will agree with you. You are playing the same old song (IE unrealistic claim).

You’re the one claiming Mesmer is OP, the burden of proof is on you :p

All you did was list a bunch of features a Mesmer has and shout “OP! OP!”

In a discussion, the burden is on both party. I gived my insight. You need to give back.

And I never shout OPOPOPOPOPOP… you read my argument like it is because its what you think it is. It is not. I just want to know, from person that understand the class why they would think it is balanced.

I’ll help you out since you are not able to do so…

Mesmer are not OP because they have a blatant weakness to conditions.

I also hate the fact that players think their own experience is the best gauge of balance.
At least use some proofs from higher level plays(like ESL tourney) to back up your claim

Klonko.8341:

Its like the king looking at his treasure and saying im poor I only have a few thousand gold pieces! While the peasant or artisan might be happy with what they have. But when they change place with the king, they don’t want to go back to the peasant/artisan life.

There is only one king, Lord Helseth. The rest of us are peasant mesmers. Get the facts straight.

Exciton.8942:

I also hate the fact that players think their own experience is the best gauge of balance.
At least use some proofs from higher level plays(like ESL tourney) to back up your claim

Someone started that by saying some of you had thousands of hours of experience. I showed that experience means nothing by saying that. It was only to show how stupid that sounded like. Thanks to approve

frifox.5283:

Klonko.8341:

Its like the king looking at his treasure and saying im poor I only have a few thousand gold pieces! While the peasant or artisan might be happy with what they have. But when they change place with the king, they don’t want to go back to the peasant/artisan life.

There is only one king, Lord Helseth. The rest of us are peasant mesmers. Get the facts straight.

Your right haha

Klonko.8341:

In a discussion, the burden is on both party. I gived my insight. You need to give back.

Lol, you call that insight? I call it blatant misrepresentations of reality. We’ve all done the math, seen the math, played the class, done the bursts, experienced the reality. We know you’re full of it. We don’t have to provide proof, we just have to sit here laughing at you.

Since you like analogies, here’s one. This would be as if you went to a cosmetic surgery conference, say on hair transplant surgery. You somehow snuck in the back door and made it on stage. Then you gave a 20 minute presentation about how everyone has been doing it wrong, and the proper tools of hair transplant surgery are a rusty nail to create sites, and a steak knife to harvest the donor grafts. Then when all the other doctors called you on your bull, you cried “THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVE THAT I’M WRONG!!!!1111”.

Ridiculous.

Fay.2357:

Klonko.8341:

In a discussion, the burden is on both party. I gived my insight. You need to give back.

Lol, you call that insight? I call it blatant misrepresentations of reality. We’ve all done the math, seen the math, played the class, done the bursts, experienced the reality. We know you’re full of it. We don’t have to provide proof, we just have to sit here laughing at you.

Since you like analogies, here’s one. This would be as if you went to a cosmetic surgery conference, say on hair transplant surgery. You somehow snuck in the back door and made it on stage. Then you gave a 20 minute presentation about how everyone has been doing it wrong, and the proper tools of hair transplant surgery are a rusty nail to create sites, and a steak knife to harvest the donor grafts. Then when all the other doctors called you on your bull, you cried “THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVE THAT I’M WRONG!!!!1111”.

Ridiculous.

Once again you answer trough hate… Sigh… I just came here asking only to be convince that im wrong and all I get is a bunch of haters. Thats a lovely mesmer community you got there.

You are misunderstanding my statement. I roughly said, “I come with some insight that mesmer is a bit OP mainly because the kits is too well made compared to any other class. Discuss”

But hey hates blind most hearts! It’s forgiven

Klonko.8341:

Once again you answer trough hate… Sigh… I just came here asking only to be convince that im wrong and all I get is a bunch of haters. Thats a lovely mesmer community you got there.

You’re coming in making wild accusations and expecting us to believe you and like you? Please, regain touch with reality. If you want anyone to take you as something other than a troll, you need to provide solid proof that you’re not lying.

100-0 people all the time? Great, take a video and prove it.
More stealth than a thief? Great, take a video and prove it.
Ranged dps rivaling ranger? Great, take a video and prove it.

Since these are all lies, you won’t be able to, but at least trying to do so will maybe get the point across to you.

The only sorta OP thing mesmer has is confounding suggestions in a 1v1 scenario. I would take Pyro’s suggestion here and make the cd 10 seconds but be per target. Chrono is a different story though, thats just straight up broken.

I will try to bring as much insight as I can

Klonko.8341:

Stun on daze

Needs trait confounding suggestion + a source of daze. The “meta” build has only one daze: the shatter. Because of that, this cannot be used to setup a shatter. Some alternative builds use staff or mantra of distraction (MoD), but that pretty much means giving up stealth (staff means no sword/torch, MoD means no decoy). So while strong, this alternative means a strong loss of defense. Hence why this line:

Mantra zerker build is almost impossible to kill and yet 100-0 people.

is just not true.

massive shatter dmg (with right spec and setup)

One should hope so since we have the lowest damage of all classes outside of shatters (see PvE).

perma torment

We do have torment on condi builds. This is one of our main conditions with confusion. We apply it very slowly with the scepter AA, or on a “burst” on scepter 2 or shatters. Scepter 2 is easily countered because it only applies torment if the mesmer successfully block you. So if you don’t attack during the block, no torment for you. The shatters are again the main source of damage for mesmers so they should be powerful. Yet, condi shatters are far from being as bursty as power shatters, hence the fact that you rarely see condi mesmer in competition.

ranged

Mesmer burst is not ranged. While the greatsword is a ranged weapon, we get most of our damage with a shatter burst which is best done in melee range because there is a shatter on the mesmer himself. Also if done from range, you have plenty of time to see the clones running towards you and dodging them (dodge towards the clones, not backwards).

almost as stealthy as thief

not nearly as much especially since PU nerf. Also, as I mentioned above, stealth is only one possible mesmer build, not a core aspect like thief.

tankier

The standard power shatter Mesmer is not tanky. Its defense come from mobility and in some builds stealth. As any build running marauder/berserker, you can kill burst it down very fast. Just remember that a mesmer with decent reflexes will probably blink away to save himself, but blink has a cooldown.

reflect for days

That is funny, because none of the commonly taken builds have any major source of reflects. Yes we have a lot of possible sources of reflects, but rarely take any. The only reflect in the PU build comes from the 2s reflection on blink… 2s on a 24s CD is hardly reflect for days. You may see some people taking “mirror” as a heal, in which case you have more. But mirror is a weaker heal, so this has a price. Finally, we can take reflect on evade (Evasive Mirror) but then we don’t have the blinds on shatter. Again, high price. (I don’t mention running feedback or focus because… I don’t think anyone does that)

stack might

The standard builds has 1 skill which stacks might (Mirror Blade). That’s the one most mesmers use just before a shatter burst. Dodge it and you’ll most likely dodge the whole shatter. Problem solved.

Klonko.8341:

sustain dps is one of the best in open field (phantasm dealing quite some dmg)

even with phantasms, the mesmer happens to have the lowest DPS of all classes (again see PvE). However, this is assuming you can keep 3 phantasms up… Not going to happen in PvP considering they die in 2 shots (3k HP). So phantasms are not sustained DPS, but again burst DPS, and not nearly as much burst as a shatter. Also the PU build has a worthless torch phantasm. The only remotely damaging is thus the one from greatsword. Also phantasms have a 1s cast and then a bit of delay before the attack actually happens. Plenty of time to interrupt/blind/dodge.

Remember that mind wrack has a 12s CD and the phantasm even higher. So you don’t have so many skills to dodge.

The added blind on shatter is a bit too much.

Again, the shatters can be avoided (and so is the blind). And they have fairly long CD, the shortest being mind wrack every 12s.

phantasmal defender

lol…. just lol. I have no other words.

Go play some other class!

The fact that someone mains mesmer does not mean he plays only mesmer. Any good player has played basically all other professions because it is the best way to learn to counter them. Since you said you started playing with mesmers, I encourage you to continue and you will see all its weaknesses and will learn to counter them.

Small hint: as a mesmer, I hate blinds and entangle…

I remember when mesmer was truly a class for skilled people

Yes, those good old days… The class required so much skills that even the top teams didn’t play it…

They actually never reached it as far as my memory goes

Then your memory is short. Before the patch, mesmers were unseen in tournaments. Mostly because they were thief food.

Ok, I think I have gone through all your assertions and explained why they were false or exaggerated. Mesmer is not OP. It is in a good spot for its role (the roaming role). Yet if a team takes only one roamer, this will be a thief. That is why you don’t see that many mesmers in high tier PvP, and certainly very very rarely more than 1 while you do see 2 elementalists (that’s a minimum), and sometimes 2 guardians, 2 warriors, 2 engineers etc…

Fay.2357:

Klonko.8341:

Once again you answer trough hate… Sigh… I just came here asking only to be convince that im wrong and all I get is a bunch of haters. Thats a lovely mesmer community you got there.

You’re coming in making wild accusations and expecting us to believe you and like you? Please, regain touch with reality. If you want anyone to take you as something other than a troll, you need to provide solid proof that you’re not lying.

100-0 people all the time? Great, take a video and prove it.
More stealth than a thief? Great, take a video and prove it.
Ranged dps rivaling ranger? Great, take a video and prove it.

Since these are all lies, you won’t be able to, but at least trying to do so will maybe get the point across to you.

Where did I said i can 100-0 all the time? It is situational but I have seen carrion gourdian get insta gib by mesmer…

For the more stealth than thief… the stealth uptime of thief in a fight isnt that big. So it is comparable.

For ranged dps, ranger got his dps down by quite a bit since they removed alot of major +% dmg. Mesmer with the GS GM trait that stack might can probably achieve such dps. And there I dont really count the burst DMG on top of that.

Also the fact that you straight up says it is all lies from the start without providing any source isnt really helpful to the discussion.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Chrono is a different story though, thats just straight up broken.

Ahh, the wonders of unfounded accusations. Remember, you’ve got to recalibrate with the rest of the new classes too. Scrapper is far stronger than normal engie has been. Tempest has some incredibly strong things it can do, very painful. Revenant as a whole is really strong. Druid has crazy healing and control. Reaper in a lot of ways fixes some stuff that typically makes necros vulnerable and is very strong. Dh is meh, to be fair, along with daredevil and berserker…but seriously. Saying chrono is straight up broken is just embarrassing yourself Rylock.

Klonko.8341:

Where did I said i can 100-0 all the time? It is situational but I have seen carrion gourdian get insta gib by mesmer…

No you haven’t. Carrion guardian has health that puts it cleanly outside the instagib range of mesmer.

Klonko.8341:

For the more stealth than thief… the stealth uptime of thief in a fight isnt that big.

Lol.

Klonko.8341:

For ranged dps, ranger got his dps down by quite a bit since they removed alot of major +% dmg. Mesmer with the GS GM trait that stack might can easily achieve such dps.

2 things. First, you’re still wrong. Second, if you take that trait you don’t get half the other stuff you were spewing about, so you’re doubly wrong.

Fay.2357:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Chrono is a different story though, thats just straight up broken.

Ahh, the wonders of unfounded accusations. Remember, you’ve got to recalibrate with the rest of the new classes too. Scrapper is far stronger than normal engie has been. Tempest has some incredibly strong things it can do, very painful. Revenant as a whole is really strong. Druid has crazy healing and control. Reaper in a lot of ways fixes some stuff that typically makes necros vulnerable and is very strong. Dh is meh, to be fair, along with daredevil and berserker…but seriously. Saying chrono is straight up broken is just embarrassing yourself Rylock.

Chrono is straight up broken, but most of the elite specs/revenant are also broken. I wasnt really embarrassing myself, its kinda true :P

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Fay.2357:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Chrono is a different story though, thats just straight up broken.

Ahh, the wonders of unfounded accusations. Remember, you’ve got to recalibrate with the rest of the new classes too. Scrapper is far stronger than normal engie has been. Tempest has some incredibly strong things it can do, very painful. Revenant as a whole is really strong. Druid has crazy healing and control. Reaper in a lot of ways fixes some stuff that typically makes necros vulnerable and is very strong. Dh is meh, to be fair, along with daredevil and berserker…but seriously. Saying chrono is straight up broken is just embarrassing yourself Rylock.

Chrono is straight up broken, but most of the elite specs are also broken. I wasnt really embarrassing myself, its kinda true :P

Everything is relative. If everyone is broken, noone is broken.

Fay.2357:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Fay.2357:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Chrono is a different story though, thats just straight up broken.

Ahh, the wonders of unfounded accusations. Remember, you’ve got to recalibrate with the rest of the new classes too. Scrapper is far stronger than normal engie has been. Tempest has some incredibly strong things it can do, very painful. Revenant as a whole is really strong. Druid has crazy healing and control. Reaper in a lot of ways fixes some stuff that typically makes necros vulnerable and is very strong. Dh is meh, to be fair, along with daredevil and berserker…but seriously. Saying chrono is straight up broken is just embarrassing yourself Rylock.

Chrono is straight up broken, but most of the elite specs are also broken. I wasnt really embarrassing myself, its kinda true :P

Everything is relative. If everyone is broken, noone is broken.

Yeah thats kinda what I wanted to say. I just dont like the idea of giving more power creep to everyone. Theres already plenty enough.

Fay.2357:

Klonko.8341:

In a discussion, the burden is on both party. I gived my insight. You need to give back.

Lol, you call that insight? I call it blatant misrepresentations of reality. We’ve all done the math, seen the math, played the class, done the bursts, experienced the reality. We know you’re full of it. We don’t have to provide proof, we just have to sit here laughing at you.

Since you like analogies, here’s one. This would be as if you went to a cosmetic surgery conference, say on hair transplant surgery. You somehow snuck in the back door and made it on stage. Then you gave a 20 minute presentation about how everyone has been doing it wrong, and the proper tools of hair transplant surgery are a rusty nail to create sites, and a steak knife to harvest the donor grafts. Then when all the other doctors called you on your bull, you cried “THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVE THAT I’M WRONG!!!!1111”.

Ridiculous.

Mr Kitty-Cat Pyromeowtheist! Stop worrying over a cold. The immune system hasn’t been compromised just ignore it. They will pop up no matter what you do. Just rest yourself old man. You will need your strength in the cold season that follows a major update. And with HoT we could have an epidemic.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Fay.2357:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Fay.2357:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Chrono is a different story though, thats just straight up broken.

Ahh, the wonders of unfounded accusations. Remember, you’ve got to recalibrate with the rest of the new classes too. Scrapper is far stronger than normal engie has been. Tempest has some incredibly strong things it can do, very painful. Revenant as a whole is really strong. Druid has crazy healing and control. Reaper in a lot of ways fixes some stuff that typically makes necros vulnerable and is very strong. Dh is meh, to be fair, along with daredevil and berserker…but seriously. Saying chrono is straight up broken is just embarrassing yourself Rylock.

Chrono is straight up broken, but most of the elite specs are also broken. I wasnt really embarrassing myself, its kinda true :P

Everything is relative. If everyone is broken, noone is broken.

Yeah thats kinda what I wanted to say. I just dont like the idea of giving more power creep to everyone. Theres already plenty enough.

Don’t be to kitten Warlord, he’s just young and still learning to strut in a big Mans world :D

What’s important is how many faces we can break with Chrono once it’s live.

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

From reading over this thread, it’s unbelievably clear that this is just L2P issues. People have broken down the OP’s post, point by point, explaining why he is wrong, and he’s not addressing them at all.

Arctarius.2649:

Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

If you’re talking about our Lord from his stream earlier today, he said that Mesmer right now is balanced. He said Chronomancer is broken as hell.

Arctarius.2649:

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

Oooh ooh, I can do it too!

Nope, mesmer is perfectly balanced. In fact, it’s never been more balanced, it’s probably the most balanced class in the history of gw2 atm. Don’t kid yourselves and pretend mesmer is op, it’s just a l2p issue.

See what I did there?

Also, you obviously play thief, don’t try and lie to us. A quick search of your posting history shows almost 100% posts in the thief forum.

I admire Fay for his patience now. This guy is clearly so bad… GS trait? stacking might? WTF is he talking about.

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

Oooh ooh, I can do it too!

Nope, mesmer is perfectly balanced. In fact, it’s never been more balanced, it’s probably the most balanced class in the history of gw2 atm. Don’t kid yourselves and pretend mesmer is op, it’s just a l2p issue.

See what I did there?

Yeah, I saw another person that is happy with playing a class that takes close to no skill to play while dominating others. Good job man, You look awesome!

Arctarius.2649:

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

Oooh ooh, I can do it too!

Nope, mesmer is perfectly balanced. In fact, it’s never been more balanced, it’s probably the most balanced class in the history of gw2 atm. Don’t kid yourselves and pretend mesmer is op, it’s just a l2p issue.

See what I did there?

Yeah, I saw another person that is happy with playing a class that takes close to no skill to play while dominating others. Good job man, You look awesome!

http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gifv

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

Oooh ooh, I can do it too!

Nope, mesmer is perfectly balanced. In fact, it’s never been more balanced, it’s probably the most balanced class in the history of gw2 atm. Don’t kid yourselves and pretend mesmer is op, it’s just a l2p issue.

See what I did there?

Yeah, I saw another person that is happy with playing a class that takes close to no skill to play while dominating others. Good job man, You look awesome!

http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gifv

No no, I perfectly understood your poor use of sarcasm, appears mine went way over your head.

Arctarius.2649:

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

Oooh ooh, I can do it too!

Nope, mesmer is perfectly balanced. In fact, it’s never been more balanced, it’s probably the most balanced class in the history of gw2 atm. Don’t kid yourselves and pretend mesmer is op, it’s just a l2p issue.

See what I did there?

Yeah, I saw another person that is happy with playing a class that takes close to no skill to play while dominating others. Good job man, You look awesome!

http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gifv

No no, I perfectly understood your poor use of sarcasm, appears mine went way over your head.

Yeah, how about posting a video showing your heroic in a game or just posting your no. of rated games as mesmer and winrate.

Exciton.8942:

Arctarius.2649:

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

Fay.2357:

Arctarius.2649:

To all the players attacking the origional poster and defending Mesmer. Yes Mesmer is broken and insanely OP right now. Yes I play Mesmer, and yes I am admiting a class I play is unfair at the moment because it is. The class almost takes no skill to pull off ludicrous amounts of damage while having some of the best active defenses in guild wars two. Don’t kid yourselves trying to suger coat and pretend the Mesmer is fine… Lol it is far from it. Best Mesmer player in the world even stated they are broken as hell.

Oooh ooh, I can do it too!

Nope, mesmer is perfectly balanced. In fact, it’s never been more balanced, it’s probably the most balanced class in the history of gw2 atm. Don’t kid yourselves and pretend mesmer is op, it’s just a l2p issue.

See what I did there?

Yeah, I saw another person that is happy with playing a class that takes close to no skill to play while dominating others. Good job man, You look awesome!

http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gifv

No no, I perfectly understood your poor use of sarcasm, appears mine went way over your head.

Yeah, how about posting a video showing your heroic in a game or just posting your no. of rated games as mesmer and winrate.

Better yet, why don’t I just post the stream to you where a pro says it himself while laughing lol. After all I’m sure he has far more games than I. But if you wish I can post mine to you gladly as soon as I am home.