Guild Wars 2

i speak figure about power prec. you have to emphasize that 165 power is op. no its not

8% good, but sometimes 30% def better. u dont think so?

when ur all skill on cd (happens) u cant avoid simple thief bs. then u just run with swiftnes somewhere away. yes? if thief good he kill u in 5 sec when jsut try run with swift

thief cant escape away from u? rly? away from mesmer? u kidding? he simple use cnd on ur clone or somewhere near walking mob. or just smoke field+hs for perma stealh, u cant do anything witout target. 1 time u can lie chaos storm, but this dont kill thief. escape with thief its rly easy

I did not call 165 power op, you know op means either overpowered or original poster right?

I do not think so, because I actually do not need to be more immortal-like than I already am with all these skills when I use them efficiently.

My skills are on cd when I want them on cd, l2p and get your timing perfect, after that point you will not see your skills on cd when you do not want them to be on cd, since you will be using them effectively. I believe one can always improve and improve.

I do not run from thieves, I kill them, I am a mesmer, they usually spam stealth to disengage from me, some run away to meet their deaths.

Not kidding, they cannot. I do not run after them with my clones. I said they can spam stealth but they cannot outdistance me by running, in terms of mobility thief loses its advantage to mesmer when mesmer uses centaur runes.

And if you play smart, you can let him land a hit, just to shatter him to death, key is to make them think they will get the kill when actually you are holding the whole thing in your hand.

k u pro if u think so

but u rly think thief cant just run away from mesmer? they without swift have same speed in hide with ur swift. where his loses? his teleport better, speed better, escape skill exelent. i dont say thief unbeatable. a say smart thief just leave mesmer alone if see cant kill in 1-2 burst. i dont underst how they run away to the death?
just look u never fight against good thieves. mb u just meet invanders who take vista or sp?

and i know how play with mesmer, not needed teach me tactics.

drongas.4189:

k u pro if u think so

they without swift have same speed in hide with ur swift. where his loses? his teleport better, speed better, escape skill exelent. i dont underst how they run away to the death?
just look u never fight against good thieves.

and i know how play with mesmer, not needed teach me tactics.

The movement speed increase buff aka swiftness is 33%.

Signet of Shadows give 25% movement speed increase.

They do NOT stack. Fastest you go is 33% increased movement speed.

33%-25%= 8%

So, I am moving 8% faster than a thief with signet of shadows in terms of move speed alone.

I have blink and phase retreat, invis as well. As a mesmer you got temporal curtain and chaos storm you can use to actually close the few steps if thief makes it that far -without stealthing-.

If they try to run away from me without going into stealth, I catch them, kill them.

I probably fought better thieves than you have ever seen in this game in 9 months, 2 of them still beat me.

I think, applying centaur set to all classes, I say mesmer, thief and ele would be first 3 comers.

check thief trait acrobatic 6. it means 33% speed without swift
this discusion going no where. i see u dont know the game mechanic and dont know other class build/specs. better go l2p

drongas.4189:

check thief trait acrobatic 6. it means 33% speed without swift
this discusion going no where. i see u dont know the game mechanic and dont know other class build/specs. better go l2p

It does NOT STACK with any other swiftness.

Even if you add swiftness on top of that it is still 33% movement speed increase.

You do not know it yourself.

Fastest movement speed you achieve at one point is 33%. Super speed is also bugged and gives slightly more increase than swiftness, according to wiki, and only for 5 seconds. And super speed was supposed be 200%.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fleet_Shadow

Karolis.4261:

Its not buged. You cant feel it much out of combat because of movement speed cap. Full effect (50%) can be felt only in combat, because base speed drops in combat. End of discussion.

omg u rly l2p
signet of shadow 25%. in stealh +12.5%=33% event without shadow signet he still run 33% if u dont know, just log in game and check
plus short bow 5 x2 u cant catch thief
plus he steal from u full set of boons for 10 sec. dodge give swift again
4-5 sec and thief 2-3k range from u.
repeat l2p
end of discusion, gl catch noobs in game

drongas.4189:

omg u rly l2p
signet of shadow 25%. in stealh +12.5%=33%
plus short bow 5 x2 u cant catch thief
plus he steal from u full set of boons for 10 sec
4-5 sec and thief 2-3k range from u.
repeat l2p
end of discusion, gl catch noobs in game

It does not stack, max he can reach is 33%, I have 33% increase in my speed all the time every second. I have blink, temporal, phase retreat. If he steals swiftness that is only 33% again. I can catch a thief or race against a thief. You learn to play.

You say even without signet, lol. THE HIGHEST ACTIVE AMOUNT OF MOVEMENT SPEED OVERRIDES OTHERS.

I catch them both good and bad, if you cannot that is your failure. When Gandara faces Aurora next time I will make sure to stomp you just for the lols it can provide in the video. BB.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/50055-fleet-shadow-bug/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Fleet-shadow-trait-bugged
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fleet_Shadow

i repeat. creat thief, go to the mist, take this trait and try run with swiftnes first, then try run without swiftnes but in stealh. if u dont know enemy skill mechanic how u can kill normal player? l2p

Pretty sure this isn’t 50% in game based on some testing with a friend. —Seventh 05:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed, ran with a guildy, swiftness versus Fleet of Shadow, with 4 seconds of stealth and we’d run the same distance in those 4 seconds, while in combat. Also, Fleet of Shadow should give you about normal speed while in combat, it doesn’t. Amy Awien 11:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/50055-fleet-shadow-bug/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Fleet-shadow-trait-bugged
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fleet_Shadow

It is bugged or whatever, it gives only 33%, not more. Speed cap is 33% in the game.

FYI, I know when they will come up or go into stealth, from where they will approach, what I can do to counter these, how can I trick them etc. etc. Enough for me to kill them. Until now I have not seen a single thief on WvW that ran faster than me. I outran groups of 4-5 that had eles, thieves, warriors, rangers among them, and pretty often. Both on land and underwater. Seen dozens of examples, performed dozens of perfect escapes.

i not say he give more than 33%. i say thief easy run away from u if he want and without swift, and not blink not phase help u

peace

edit: wait wait. u can run same with staf ele. perma swift plus teleport. if DD ele u cant run same time, ele faster. warior can easy run away to with gs-sw/horn just drop target from u. have perma swift to. but more jump skill. ranger gs-sw/horn not have perma swift but can jump rly fast. thief like i say, just short bot 55555 and he run away. underwater yes. mesmer win against other. and with mesmer easy to escape run away than catch and chase

drongas.4189:

i not say he give more than 33%. i say thief easy run away from u if he want and without swift, and not blink not phase help u

peace

They do, you probably do not know how and when to use them. Most thieves run with max 25% speed compared to my 33%. I am effective at using chaos storm and temporal curtain in addition to my speed. They just cannot escape. Only way for them to escape is to go to a corner and spam stealth on mob, so I get bored and leave.

Don’t think warrior would be in top 3 in such an instance, thief cannot get away if you are chasing to kill and using temporal curtain, chaos storm. You even have illusionary leap that closes a big amount of distance plus phase retreat. That is like 3 teleport/half teleport kind of skills combined with a pull, they cannot run. Put centaur runes, try it yourself on WvW, after some getting used to you will see it is easy.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infiltrator%27s_Arrow
cost: 6 initiatives
range: 900

You know that wouldn’t help the thief at all against a mesmer that can blink, phase retreat, leap, pull, put chaos storm and that runs with full-time swiftness.

Serhend.6382:

drongas.4189:

i not say he give more than 33%. i say thief easy run away from u if he want and without swift, and not blink not phase help u

peace

They do, you probably do not know how and when to use them. Most thieves run with max 25% speed compared to my 33%. I am effective at using chaos storm and temporal curtain in addition to my speed. They just cannot escape. Only way for them to escape is to go to a corner and spam stealth on mob, so I get bored and leave.

Don’t think warrior would be in top 3 in such an instance, thief cannot get away if you are chasing to kill and using temporal curtain, chaos storm. You even have illusionary leap that closes a big amount of distance plus phase retreat. That is like 3 teleport/half teleport kind of skills combined with a pull, they cannot run. Put centaur runes, try it yourself on WvW, after some getting used to you will see it is easy.

look. short bow skill #5. range 900. cast it 2 times in 2 sec and range 1800. then he go in hide. restore 2 init. then again hide, again restore. done. u cant cath him so easy. ok enough

i know what is centaur runes. i used it when i was just start game and played condbleed rampager set. after roam 10000 ppl i just dont chase anymore boring, and i never run away, if i die, then die. happens, play more 4 month, try diferent specs, and u see, u can find some good runes or setup without swift. early rly like lyssa, epic set for support and escape when hot. then melandru set with food=u dont care about cond anymore

look. short bow skill #5. range 900. cast it 2 times in 2 sec and range 1800. then he go in hide. restore 2 init. then again hide, again restore. done. u cant cath him so easy. ok enough

Wrong. I can do it easily.

Thief uses IA 2 times= 1800 range
VS.
Mesmer uses Blink (900)and phase retreat(1200)= 2100 range
or,
Mesmer uses Blink (900) and Temporal Curtain (900) and pulls (600) the thief. It can pull a thief at 900 range back to 300 range and use Illusionary Leap (600 range) and cripple+chain him, shatter him to death. This is what I usually do, Blink+Temporal.

And let me tell you, it is so, kitten , easy.

So, um… I agree! Maybe a speed signet or something. I think every class should have a speed boost signet.

Serhend.6382:

look. short bow skill #5. range 900. cast it 2 times in 2 sec and range 1800. then he go in hide. restore 2 init. then again hide, again restore. done. u cant cath him so easy. ok enough

Wrong. I can do it easily.

Thief uses IA 2 times= 1800 range
VS.
Mesmer uses Blink (900)and phase retreat(1200)= 2100 range
or,
Mesmer uses Blink (900) and Temporal Curtain (900) and pulls (600) the thief. It can pull a thief at 900 range back to 300 range and use Illusionary Leap (600 range) and cripple+chain him, shatter him to death. This is what I usually do, Blink+Temporal.

And let me tell you, it is so, kitten , easy.

I love my Mesmer but traited right, thieves gets 50% speed in stealth, meaning in combat when you are running slow due to combat speed debuff, he just has to stealth and he will be running in out of combat speed, significantly faster than you even with your swiftness. Coupled with teleports from bow and another teleport from utility or sword. It’s not even a close comparison. I can’t believe you dragged this out for a page but i thought some more people should set you straight.