So what’s the deal with the new Mirage dodge move? You get the evade proc but don’t move? How is this not a downgrade from the existing option where you get an evade proc AND move? Does the evasion last longer? Is there more of a buff to it? I mean from the looks of it this would make the Mesmer hell to play, since not only would an already slowly moving class be even slower moving, but we’d be at the whim of the numerous ground targeted AoEs in the game.
I don’t want to doom-and-gloom this, I’m just genuinely baffled as to what the advantage here is based on the promo video.
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1) To confuse players in pvp/wvw since the easiest way to tell apart the actual mesmer from its clones is dodge rolling.
2) The mirage dodge/blur brings a new mechanic into the game. When you dodge, you gain a short time frame in which you and your summoned clones get a special attack like thieves do when they attack from stealth. These special attacks seem to function like an alpha strike and are designed to inflict heavy damage in a quick burst.
Trait that lets you break stun and clear condi on doge is neat. I guess letting us cast through doge is their way of saying “sorry for all the 1/2 second casts.”
“I control time and space; you can’t break free.~” “Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
The versatility of activating skills during an evade frame might outweigh the mobility loss, especially considering some of the on weapon mobility mesmer has access to: sword 3, staff 2, and axe 3.
Btw Mirror seems to be those prisms that you can create that if you run into gives you the new evade, gives enemies weakness and does a absolutly massive 80 damage. Thats your kittening DPS spec people, a utility that does 80 damage and a weapon that does 600 and people are already calling it OP. kittening amazing.
Btw Mirror seems to be those prisms that you can create that if you run into gives you the new evade, gives enemies weakness and does a absolutly massive 80 damage. Thats your kittening DPS spec people, a utility that does 80 damage and a weapon that does 600 and people are already calling it OP. kittening amazing.
Mirror Found it in WP aftershow while rewatching it. It grants mirage cloak as well which means 1s of dodge.
Btw Mirror seems to be those prisms that you can create that if you run into gives you the new evade, gives enemies weakness and does a absolutly massive 80 damage. Thats your kittening DPS spec people, a utility that does 80 damage and a weapon that does 600 and people are already calling it OP. kittening amazing.
My question to those people is how is any of this more OP than current DD?
“I control time and space; you can’t break free.~” “Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
So from watching WPs stream, mirage’s DPS seems to come from giving your clones mirage cloak and watching them load insane condi stacks via their ambush attacks. He was hitting some pretty good stacks in a short time by basicaly autoattacking and “dodging”.
When you combine the enhanced vigor with all of the sources for mirage cloak, I can see how it might have decent DPS.
Also @Me Games Ma – I feel like that second GM will be way better than the third, since it would allow your clones to use ambush attacks as well instead of just you. Opening up the potential for 4 ambush attacks simultaneously all stacking conditions.
Btw Mirror seems to be those prisms that you can create that if you run into gives you the new evade, gives enemies weakness and does a absolutly massive 80 damage. Thats your kittening DPS spec people, a utility that does 80 damage and a weapon that does 600 and people are already calling it OP. kittening amazing.
My question to those people is how is any of this more OP than current DD?
Do you guys know what gear WP wore when he was playing with mirage? How can you talk about damage values? (but yeah 80dmg on the mirror is a joke tbh)
Btw Mirror seems to be those prisms that you can create that if you run into gives you the new evade, gives enemies weakness and does a absolutly massive 80 damage. Thats your kittening DPS spec people, a utility that does 80 damage and a weapon that does 600 and people are already calling it OP. kittening amazing.
My question to those people is how is any of this more OP than current DD?
Do you guys know what gear WP wore when he was playing with mirage? How can you talk about damage values? (but yeah 80dmg on the mirror is a joke tbh)
Tell me what gear is going to boost those numbers above joke values. I can run other classes naked and get more damage out of thier defense or support weapons then we get out of our DPS weapon.
hmmm I can sort of see dueling/mirage and possibly illusions for another pvp condi spec, seeing how dueling gives vigor and synergise with bleed on dodging.
It could also work with raid if there are something else to buff dps. Condi mesmer dps is around 12k short from top, maybe something else could help? Haven’t seen any builds that can replace chrono’s utility in raid group though, so we either get >2 mesmers if dps holds up or falls back to our old job.
Tell me what gear is going to boost those numbers above joke values. I can run other classes naked and get more damage out of thier defense or support weapons then we get out of our DPS weapon.
Viper. I don’t see your problem. Look at the 3rd autoattacks condition doration. Yes the ramp time will be long but the values aren’t a problem i think.
We get a trait that makes our dodge a stun breaker and condition remover, so i’d say it’s pretty OP. Also does it interrupt casting? If not, even better. We also get an ambush skills after a “dodge”. https://imgur.com/a/qX8lZ#eWhSSmb
This will be extremely OP in PvP as well as a bringing in a new height of braindead game play that even the bunker chrono coud never reach.
This is exactly what I feared Anet was going to give us to appease the PvE player base.
It took a long time for mesmer to have it’s skill floor/ceiling raised after HoT released and now this just completely kills it.
Please take in mind Mesmers that you won’t be able to run MIRAGE plus CHRONO at the same time and you’ll only be able to pick one or the other so yeah…. just putting it out there so the thought of said “oh it’ll be OP if chrono and yeah…no”, let that die.
Azukas clowning reminds me. This spec provides absolutly nothing to stop us from being free kills to thief in PvP.
You shouldn’t be a free kill to thieves in PvP now
You dying to thieves isn’t GW2 balance but your own skill level.
It feels dirty to agree with Azukas, but condie chrono is fairly competitive against thieves. Mirage brings some shenanigans that should do even better if applied appropriately.
Azukas clowning reminds me. This spec provides absolutly nothing to stop us from being free kills to thief in PvP.
You shouldn’t be a free kill to thieves in PvP now
You dying to thieves isn’t GW2 balance but your own skill level.
It feels dirty to agree with Azukas, but condie chrono is fairly competitive against thieves. Mirage brings some shenanigans that should do even better if applied appropriately.
Has there ever been a time when a Phantasm build has done well against thiefs?
Azukas clowning reminds me. This spec provides absolutly nothing to stop us from being free kills to thief in PvP.
You shouldn’t be a free kill to thieves in PvP now
You dying to thieves isn’t GW2 balance but your own skill level.
It feels dirty to agree with Azukas, but condie chrono is fairly competitive against thieves. Mirage brings some shenanigans that should do even better if applied appropriately.
Has there ever been a time when a Phantasm build has done well against thiefs?
Well yes, but why are you using phantasm builds in 2017? Not sure what that has to do with this.
Azukas clowning reminds me. This spec provides absolutly nothing to stop us from being free kills to thief in PvP.
You shouldn’t be a free kill to thieves in PvP now
You dying to thieves isn’t GW2 balance but your own skill level.
It feels dirty to agree with Azukas, but condie chrono is fairly competitive against thieves. Mirage brings some shenanigans that should do even better if applied appropriately.
Has there ever been a time when a Phantasm build has done well against thiefs?
Well yes, but why are you using phantasm builds in 2017? Not sure what that has to do with this.
I do fine against thieves with Condi Chrono.
Mirages entire gimmick is using clones as suped up Phantasms with control over when they attack
MIRAGE STANDING IN THE GIANT CIRCLE OF DEATH! Mirage does Dodge …1…2…3…
STILL STANDING IN THE GIANT CIRCLE OF DEATH! Mirage = rez plz!
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Actually given how big some of the AoE skills of other classes look, this part does have me worried.
Dodge for movement is one of those small things that is usually taken for granted. On one hand freecasting and moving while blurring is appealing, on the other hand the ability to dodge jump, dodge out of aoes and dodge into an enemy for shatter are very hard to let go of.
Azukas clowning reminds me. This spec provides absolutly nothing to stop us from being free kills to thief in PvP.
You shouldn’t be a free kill to thieves in PvP now
You dying to thieves isn’t GW2 balance but your own skill level.
It feels dirty to agree with Azukas, but condie chrono is fairly competitive against thieves. Mirage brings some shenanigans that should do even better if applied appropriately.
Has there ever been a time when a Phantasm build has done well against thiefs?
Well yes, but why are you using phantasm builds in 2017? Not sure what that has to do with this.
I do fine against thieves with Condi Chrono.
Mirages entire gimmick is using clones as suped up Phantasms with control over when they attack
Well that’s not really an accurate view of it. Firstly, phantasms are currently weak to basically everything because of how easily they’re killed. Phantasms are heavily limited in production speed, so killing them effectively disables a phantasm build. Clones, however, are easily and rapidly produced in a variety of ways. The mirage mechanics take clones from ignorable shatter fodder to a dangerous offensive threat.
Additionally, has some mechanics that will really screw up thieves. Most thief burst is targeted, with the exception of vault spammers. The detarget capability provides a really interesting method of totally neutering a thief burst if used at the appropriate time. Combine that with blur protection on important casts that counters the headshot spam tactic and the significant variety of condition pressure from the skills and you’ve got a spec that will be very dangerous in an equal-skill matchup vs a thief.
Most thief burst is targeted, with the exception of vault spammers.
And they can do the same to us with stelath. The relative ease of clone production vs Phantasm will help with all thier dodges and you are right that blur is better then blocks.
Most thief burst is targeted, with the exception of vault spammers.
And they can do the same to us with stelath. The relative ease of clone production vs Phantasm will help with all thier dodges and you are right that blur is better then blocks.
Sure they can avoid direct attacks with stealth, but thief damage revolves around landing high intensity hits, not a continual spray of damage. If both combatants manage to avoid most targeted hits, the thief will still die and the mesmer will be fine.
Most thief burst is targeted, with the exception of vault spammers.
And they can do the same to us with stelath. The relative ease of clone production vs Phantasm will help with all thier dodges and you are right that blur is better then blocks.
Those clones on roids are channeled attacks from what i can tell. That means you dodge while they are visible even if they stealth it’ll track em.
You guys have to remember I’m only interested in balance and high skill play. IDC if it’s my own class or my most hated class it’s broken it needs to be brought in line.
Most thief burst is targeted, with the exception of vault spammers.
And they can do the same to us with stelath. The relative ease of clone production vs Phantasm will help with all thier dodges and you are right that blur is better then blocks.
Those clones on roids are channeled attacks from what i can tell. That means you dodge while they are visible even if they stealth it’ll track em.
You guys have to remember I’m only interested in balance and high skill play. IDC if it’s my own class or my most hated class it’s broken it needs to be brought in line.
