Guild Wars 2

Had a 13 minute fight with a Mesmer on my Necromancer which eventually ended up with me dying because my health slowly dwindled over time until I couldn’t do anything about it. Meanwhile, the Mesmer had pretty much every boon beyond the sun up at all times.

I even tried to get out of the fight 2 different times because it was taking forever but Necros cant do that.

Any time I got him below 50% health a whole bunch of “Block block block” came up.

Throughout the entire fight there was at least 3 clones at almost all times because destroying them was useless since he would just create more 0.5 seconds later.

TL;DR
Mesmer is the worst class to fight against and the most overpowered.

Keeping up all the boons in the game constantly and catching up to a Necro that is kiting while also blocking and mitigating tons of damage does not require skill? If only being a Mesmer that good required no skill…

u r so rite, luk i fond anohr prsn who c’s teh troof!

c his tred, we wil gt dem nerfd!!1

In other news, someone became frustrated fighting a profession that was designed to be frustrating to fight. Imagine that.

Ruufio.1496:

He did catch me with crappy utilities up though because I was traveling. Necromancer everybody! You have to use Signet or Spectral Walk in WvW no matter what woohoo!

And mesmers need to blow 4 rune slots on air or 6 rune slots on centaur to not feel like slug in www compared to any other profession that just swaps 1 utility and equips weapon with swiftness.

Sorry, OP, but I think this is an L2P issue. Mesmer has a ton of boons? Corrupt Boon. Mesmer chasing you? Grasping Dead. Too many clones? Just about any AoE will work. My personal favorite is death shroud skill #4. In all reality, the best thing for you is the exact thing you do not want to do: play a mesmer. Until you play one, you won’t know the skill or effort it takes to be one. You will struggle to counter them until you realize that it isn’t a balance problem. Accept responsibility and move on. You win some, you lose some. No big deal. You will do better next time.

You fought one Mesmer for 13 minutes – I have no idea why you would waste your time doing that by the way – and so you claim all Mesmers are overpowered based on that alone?

Not to mention you have some nice tact, telling someone else to “Learn to play” when the obvious issue is that you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing.

Thankfully I’m not an idiot, and I won’t judgmentally think all Necromancers are idiots based on you alone.

It is a well known fact that bad players use the word ‘noob’ too much and any other class then theirs is overpowered. As a mesmer (maybe not that good) I die quite often to necros.
If Anet listen to those spoon-fed whiners we (all classes) will end up without AoE capabilities for PvE and PvP, no burst damage and all will be around single target. Yay.

PS. Mesmers will be always hated because they are not straightforward to fight. And it is the class that should be a priority target in a battle and I rarely see this.

Pretty much this ^. Well said, sir.

It sounds to me your opponent was a condition Mesmer, given how you speak of boons and three Clones casting.

As a Necromancer, you should be well-equipped to deal with condition Mesmers: you have the ability to not only cleanse, but turn enemy conditions and boons against them; plus you yourself are able to dish out conditions far better than the Mesmer could.

As a condition Mesmer, a competent Necromancer is one of the toughest professions for me to face: they are highly resistant to my conditions and are able to inflict lots of conditions themselves, which ironically are very difficult for me to deal with due to my low HP (Toughness does nothing against conditions) and scant condition removal.

In other words, if you are unable to deal with a condition Mesmer as a Necromancer, you may want to evaluate your own play rather than accuse others of being overpowered.

Embolism.8106:

It sounds to me your opponent was a condition Mesmer, given how you speak of boons and three Clones casting.

As a Necromancer, you should be well-equipped to deal with condition Mesmers: you have the ability to not only cleanse, but turn enemy conditions and boons against them; plus you yourself are able to dish out conditions far better than the Mesmer could.

As a condition Mesmer, a competent Necromancer is one of the toughest professions for me to face: they are highly resistant to my conditions and are able to inflict lots of conditions themselves, which ironically are very difficult for me to deal with due to my low HP (Toughness does nothing against conditions) and scant condition removal.

In other words, if you are unable to deal with a condition Mesmer as a Necromancer, you may want to evaluate your own play rather than accuse others of being overpowered.

Yes, I have to completely agree with Embolism. I too play a condition mesmer and what you described sounds an awful lot like a condition mesmer. For me, necromancers are amongst the hardest classes to face for the reasons Embolism described.

If he was beating you, he was either very skilled or you were doing something wrong, or some combination of the two. This is especially true since you say you couldn’t get away from him. Mesmers in general are pretty bad at stopping people from escaping without specializing into just that area of combat at the expense of others, and condition mesmers in particular lack the burst damage to quickly cut down a fleeing foe.

Also, you say make very generalized statements about what he was doing. If you are going to call for a “nerf” at least be specific. Which abilities were giving you trouble? Which traits (of the ones overtly noticeable in combat) were giving him an unfair advantage? Which specific abilities were giving him all these buffs and which specific abilities were preventing you from escaping. Provide detailed information on exactly what aspect of your opponent’s build makes him inherently overpowered to such a huge degree as you describe. If you can’t do that, you probably need to learn more about mesmers. I know that I used to have a horrible time fighting thieves until I learned their tricks; now they are no different than any other class to me.

Finally, if you want to claim that mesmers are overpowered, provide multiple examples of how and why they are. Currently, you are providing only anecdotal evidence of how you lost to a single player, which honestly seems more like a case of a skill difference than some inherent advantage that he had. Right now it sounds like you expect to win every 1v1 you get into. Surely, if it took him 13 minutes to kill you, Mr. OP Mesmer probably had to invest quite a bit of effort to win. Maybe try to provide us with videos of your future encounters with mesmers so that we can either see for ourselves how overpowered we are or we can explain how to properly counter them.

Im like 100% sure the necro is the counter to the mesmer.

Dude.. I can’t believe this. You fought someone able to survive your best, someone good enough to not be fooled, someone able to catch up to you…. And you tell him to learn to play?!
Wow! You played against someone good! Send a whisper saying he was a great player, not an angry whisper because you lost the fight!
Say whatever you like, but your description of the guardian fight pretty much resumed your point of view: hard fight, took long, but I won, so I was happy and bowed to him.

Kanto.1659:

Dude.. I can’t believe this. You fought someone able to survive your best, someone good enough to not be fooled, someone able to catch up to you…. And you tell him to learn to play?!
Wow! You played against someone good! Send a whisper saying he was a great player, not an angry whisper because you lost the fight!
Say whatever you like, but your description of the guardian fight pretty much resumed your point of view: hard fight, took long, but I won, so I was happy and bowed to him.

I’ll also bow when I barely come through with a win.

Original poster doesn’t have much MMO experience I guess. Warhammer Online bright wizards. There’s a video of three of them wiping out 24 enemy players in seconds. Comparing any balance issues in GW2 to the broken mess that is other MMOs is just silly.

Its easier to convince youself that the other player who just beat you is a noob playing a op class than accept the fact he play a tecnicaly demandning class and outplayed you

Sounds like you got caught by a cat who had hes fun with a mouse untill bored and ended it by bite teh head off

/Osicat

Frankly, Ruufio – it could be far worse. I run condition Mesmer myself, although I usually slot phantasmal defender for more defense. Imagine eating all of those conditions, and then half of the damage you throw goes to the defender, instead of the Mesmer. Short c/d, too – go ‘head, kill him, I’ll just remake him.

Honestly, however – realise one thing. Depending on the Mesmer, their condition removal might just suck all sorts of eggs. I run Necro on occasion, your heal/1 well (2 if you consider the well that inverts your conditions > boons) work wonders on a conditions user. Let alone, that Bad Mofo, Corrupt Boon.

The point of the Mesmer playstyle is to confuse you, which is also why it’s so annoying. But there are plenty of counters you can use against clones.

• First of all, you are playing a Necromancer. They have the absolute best condition control of all professions, and some fairly good boon control as well. So saying you couldn’t do anything about it, is just not true.

• The Mesmer can only have three illusions up at a time, and even though it might not seem like it, the illusion generation is limited. The Mesmers greatest strength is also the Mesmers greatest weakness. If the Mesmer doesn’t have any illusions, he is very exposed. So use that AoE.
• If you are in a party, you can use “call target”. This will make the Mesmer much more obvious, at least until he goes into stealth, in which case “call target” will be removed.
• The Mesmer cast skills faster then illusions, so pay attention to the “clone” that has a faster cast animation then the others. That’s the Mesmer.
• Look for the clone standing the furthest away. A lot of Mesmers want to create as much distance to you as possible, to have a good overview, and so they can escape a lot easier once their clones disappear. So if you don’t know where the Mesmer is, just go for the clone that’s standing the furthest away from you.
• A lot of new Mesmer players tend to dodge too much when they’re in combat. Clones don’t dodge.

Elidath.5679:

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Usually just lurk and read these forums to pass time at work, but you sir just made me spit out my coffee and drop to the floor lol’ing so bad it hurt my sides.

Good reply mate, ty for the laugh

Uh.

I never played a mesmer, my girlfriend has one in leveling but that’s about it.
I have Warrior, Thief and Guardian, I don’t recall ever losing 1vs1 against a Mesmer beside in a couple weeks were I was getting blasted for 18k shatters sometimes, but that has gone away quickly.

I dodge/EP the shatter or AoE oneshot clones, oneshot that the decoy clone they leave, CC them, OMGMEGADAMAGEYOURDEAD, then just autoattack them while they’re downed (can’t be bothered to try staking and fail, just like vs Thieves).
I have automatic balanced stance on Warrior if they stun me, on Thief I have shadowstep which breaks stun.

The trick is just keeping pressure on them.
Never play defensively just roflstomp them and keep yourself in their face all the times.

Not sure what would be exactly OP in this class.
If I was a necro I would run a power build and just permachill+roflstomp them, maybe with a nice daze and a couple fears in between.
Or as a conditionmancer I would just stack 3k/second DoTs and CC them while avoiding/kiting the clones.

Why is it that whenever someone loses a fight, the other class is clearly OP? It is the same across all the professions.

I stopped reading at the part where the necro claimed that the mesmer had every boon up possible and he didn’t corrupt them.

L2P

kthxbye

(User was infracted for this post.) says it all ^^

This necro may be the best mesmer I’ve ever seen! I find myself resoundingly befuddled at his decision to rant about Mesmers being overpowered ON THE MESMER FORUMS! That !@#$%^&* blows my mind!

Beachead.4127:

I stopped reading at the part where the necro claimed that the mesmer had every boon up possible and he didn’t corrupt them.

L2P

kthxbye

looooooool

got the point

but yes we are undoubtably OP cuz one mesmer beat necro in 1v1 13 min long fight

cheers Xixsa

Having all buffs is likely lyssa and mass invis (all buffs every 90 sec) if he’s widdling you down and your condi isn’t killing him I’m going to presume phant build. AoE kill his phants then condi bomb him.

If he’s tanky condi shatter then sap his boons you should do fine. Honestly bro I think you we’re just out played.

Oh and confusion owns necros so watch your debuffs.

Yes. You had crappy utilities equipped and it took him thirteen minutes to down you. That’s the most OP class you’ve ever seen ever? Cry more, your tears amuse me.

13 minutes is a pretty long and balanced fight. If a class is really OP, then it would take far less than 1 minute. Necros are the strongest profession in the game with conditions, while Mesmers struggle with removing conditions constantly; Mesmers seem strong, but they also have plenty of weaknesses. In the end, honestly, you were just out-played.

For a condition mesmer, a condition necromancer is almost a death sentence 1v1. Staff clones will give the mesmer alot of random boons for you to corrupt. Any condition her sends your way can be sent straight back or simply cleansed with your heal skill.

The mesmer will have a tougher time dealing with your condition then you will with his.

If you cant beat him you can always ya know….. run away. Nothing the condition mesmer has can stop you.

Ruufio.1496:

Will this thread even count since I’m playing a Necromancer?

I just had a 13 minute fight with a Mesmer on my Necromancer which eventually ended up with me dying because my health slowly dwindled over time until I couldn’t do anything about it. Meanwhile, the Mesmer had pretty much every boon beyond the kittening sun up at all times.

He did catch me with crappy utilities up though because I was traveling. Necromancer everybody! You have to use Signet or Spectral Walk in WvW no matter what woohoo!

I even tried to get out of the fight 2 different times because it was taking kittening forever. Both times I used Spectral Walk-jupe trick where you run far and then recall. It confused him for like 3 seconds until he turned around and caught up with swiftness.

Any time I got him below 50% health a whole bunch of “Block block block” came up.

Oh yeah and any time I would try to disengage and I turned around, he would just stand there casting auto-attack with ~4 other clones. So fair. Throughout the entire fight there was at least 3 clones at almost all times because destroying was useless since he would just create more 0.5 seconds later.

Every other class in the game is fun to fight except the Mesmer.
Before I fought the Mesmer I had a 1v1 with a Guardian which lasted 5 minutes. It was a fun fight and I actually did the /bow emote because he was good.

What did I say to the Mesmer? I told him to play a class that takes kittening skill. I don’t think opponents can hear you though.

TL;DR
Mesmer is the worst class to fight against and the most overpowered.
And Necromancer needs some kitten buffs already.

You are completely right. They are over powered at the moment and everyone knows it. More so over, the people who play the class.

Sure it might take some skill to do what that person did, but it is super easy to keep up 3 clones forever (even if you shatter them every 15 seconds).

It is no mystery why so many people play them. it is a skill cover. You can be bad and still do decent with a Mesmer. If you are good, you can do great. If you are great, well then you are basically unbeatable unless you get ganked (and even then you have a high chance of survival.

I highly doubt they will nerf the Mesmer because it is the poster child of this game. It needs to be nerfed, but all the Mesmers here will laugh and cry “L 2 P noobzer LOL so badz”. When in reality they fear the nerf because for once they might actually have to try to play the game like the other classes.

Edit: How was he infracted for that post?

Vanthian.9267:

How was he infracted for that post?

Presumably because Anet assumed he must be trolling, as you’d have to be pretty bad to lose to a condition Mesmer as a Necromancer.

Embolism.8106:

Vanthian.9267:

How was he infracted for that post?

Presumably because Anet assumed he must be trolling, as you’d have to be pretty bad to lose to a condition Mesmer as a Necromancer.

LoL

Vanthian.9267:

snip for justice

You’re obviously having trouble fighting this particular class. Best thing you can do, is ask your fellow Necromancers how to best deal with the Mesmer. I can guarantee you that there will be many people rolling Necromancers who have little trouble with Mesmers. I’ve fought loads of Necromancers who were more than capable of wiping the floor with my Mesmer. And I’m sure you’re just as capable as them.

As it stands, the Mesmer class is quite well balanced now, especially after the nerf to confusion stacking with the trident.

Ruufio.1496:

Will this thread even count since I’m playing a Necromancer?

I dunno, I play a Necro too (and a Mesmer).

Meanwhile, the Mesmer had pretty much every boon beyond the kittening sun up at all times.

Y u no Corrupt Boon? That’s a really strong skill against Mesmers that keep casting skills that grant random boons all the time. You can pretty much use CB on cooldown on those, they basically get them from their auto attack. (Also that means you were getting conditions, which you could have sent right back…)

He did catch me with crappy utilities up though because I was traveling. Necromancer everybody! You have to use Signet or Spectral Walk in WvW no matter what woohoo!

Speed was actually a great choice because Mesmers don’t have any. I don’t understand how you couldn’t get out of the fight. You didn’t even mention a stun so he probably wasn’t using a pistol and didn’t have one. Necros are also a lot better at surviving long falls so you could have used the environment to your advantage.

Both times I used Spectral Walk-jupe trick where you run far and then recall. It confused him for like 3 seconds until he turned around and caught up with swiftness.

Well you had 30s of 33% Swiftness from Spectral Walk on you at that point. Mesmers can’t keep it up that long so how did he catch up?! Why didn’t you just keep running instead of negating the bigger part of your swiftness advantage?

(I’m kind of hoping for your benefit that you didn’t have the Locust signet and Spectral Walk slotted…)

Oh, and what about your fear?

Any time I got him below 50% health a whole bunch of “Block block block” came up.

He baited you, maybe because he’s traited to gain retal on block, or maybe just so you’d waste your burst. Anyway, when fighting a Necro he should have had conditions on him at that point, even from a power Necro. Neither blocking nor invulnerability (which Mesmers can get fairly often) helps against conditions.

Oh yeah and any time I would try to disengage and I turned around, he would just stand there casting auto-attack with ~4 other clones. So fair.

Mesmers can only have three illusions out. Auto attacking clones do no real damage, too. Only the phantasms do more than a few points of damage but they (and their attacks) look fairly unique, and they’re on long cooldowns. If he had three phantasms out, you must have been ignoring them.

Throughout the entire fight there was at least 3 clones at almost all times because destroying was useless since he would just create more 0.5 seconds later.

Yes. Mesmer illusions work like delayed spells, not pets. They do the most damage if they die and are re-cast often. That’s why Mesmers get to cast them so often, including via traits that make clones when they dodge. For comparison purposes, normal clones are worth about as much as those Jagged Horrors you get from 5 points into Death Magic. (Until they run to you and explode, but that’s on a cooldown and easy to dodge…)

What did I say to the Mesmer? I told him to play a class that takes kittening skill. I don’t think opponents can hear you though.

They can’t, but since Necro is pretty much the Mesmer counter, that’s probably not a bad thing for your reputation… well it would have been if you hadn’t posted it yourself, anyway.

Say it with me… 3 unloads from a thief…

eXs.6210:

Say it with me… 3 unloads from a thief…

You can do more than 3 unloads as a thief. Run Pistol/Dagger and then spam 51.

Red Falcon.8257:

Never play defensively just roflstomp them and keep yourself in their face all the times.

Not sure what would be exactly OP in this class.
If I was a necro I would run a power build and just permachill+roflstomp them, maybe with a nice daze and a couple fears in between.
Or as a conditionmancer I would just stack 3k/second DoTs and CC them while avoiding/kiting the clones.

Rofl this guy has never played a skilled mesmer. If you get in all CC and he/she’s got retaliation up all it takes is a blurred frenzy, into clone shatter, switch to staff chaos storm, phrase retreate stun shatter and that mesmer is roflstomping you now while your hundred blades took out half your hp. Also, leaving a phantasm around without taking it out first is an extremely stupid thing to do. They deal about 5k-10k every 4-7s depending on how they’re traited – leave them unchecked and the mesmer will kite your kitten around while they destroy you.

Then when you stack conditions he’ll use arcane thievery steal your boons give you the debuffs and roflstomp you again. Maybe even add a sigil to pass off the conditions back to you when thievery is on cd, or use null field or many other ways to remove conditions.

Don’t give bad advice to people who are already doing terribly against such a complex profession. It takes a lot more skill to use than a thief or warrior so the general assumption fighting a mesmer should be that this person had a lot of technical knowledge or else they’ll get their kitten handed to them.

The class is not OP in the least bit. We require ridiculous level of LOS now for 90% of our attacks; iLeap is a fail; no matter how much toughness we build, we’re the weakest profession in terms of handling dps and also have the lowest vitality.

On the other hand there are a ton of things that make this a spectacular class, but it isn’t for the weary. It takes time to learn and understand how things work together and if you screw up the timing it can be devastating – unlike a thief who’ll just cloak for 30 seconds and run away if they screwed up in a fight.

The toughest opponent for mesmers are d/d eles and necros based on a profession perspective. At the end of the day it’s the actual skill of the opponent that matters above everything else.

LiuliRenai.3928:

Original poster doesn’t have much MMO experience I guess. Warhammer Online bright wizards. There’s a video of three of them wiping out 24 enemy players in seconds. Comparing any balance issues in GW2 to the broken mess that is other MMOs is just silly.

If by 24, you mean 48, yeah.

Edit: The best part is that they were more overpowered before that era.

Lol another of this rant post that some1 comes QQ and never shows again??
Im starting to think we all mesmers should just start flooding every class forums complaining they are OP :P

Regardless of all the other issues in the first post, you can’t be OP if it takes 13 minutes to take someone down…

Dess.4391:

Lol another of this rant post that some1 comes QQ and never shows again??
Im starting to think we all mesmers should just start flooding every class forums complaining they are OP :P

It would be well deserved on the engi forum. They are waay OP!

Wow this sounds familiar, someone was telling me something like this at one point. . . Was it an Asura wielding a Sword/Focus and Staff combination? I think I might have seen this guy before. . .

I am really curious, hope original poster responds.

As someone who gave up Mesmer for Necromancer … let me try and give you some badly needed advice:

Ruufio.1496:

Meanwhile, the Mesmer had pretty much every boon beyond the kittening sun up at all times.

Corrupt Boon is one of the Necros best utilities. I strongly recommend that you use it.

Ruufio.1496:

He did catch me with crappy utilities up though because I was traveling. Necromancer everybody! You have to use Signet or Spectral Walk in WvW no matter what woohoo!

Mesmer would pay any amount of money to have our signet as it is ridiculously good.

25% out-of-combat speed buff which becomes an AE lifetap that you have no negative to using when you would actually use it due to not having the 25% speed anyway. Mesmer has to have a specific weapon in addition to a specific spec just to have speed and it isn’t even a 100% uptime.

We get 75% of that just by using one utility slot and its 100% uptime.

Spectral Walk is an option … I would suggest you drop it for … Corrupt Boon.

Ruufio.1496:

I even tried to get out of the fight 2 different times because it was taking kittening forever. Both times I used Spectral Walk-jupe trick where you run far and then recall. It confused him for like 3 seconds until he turned around and caught up with swiftness.

I take it you don’t use staff, scepter, or anything else with chill/cripple? The battlegrounds aren’t even that big … you could have easily reached a friendly structure if the battle raged as long as you are claiming.

Ruufio.1496:

Any time I got him below 50% health a whole bunch of “Block block block” came up.

Right … so not staff … as the first trait any necro I know that uses staff takes is the Can’t be blocked +Mark Radius trait. When you see that block/block/block it is usually a good time to throw down your unblockable fear mark.

Ruufio.1496:

Oh yeah and any time I would try to disengage and I turned around, he would just stand there casting auto-attack with ~4 other clones. So fair. Throughout the entire fight there was at least 3 clones at almost all times because destroying was useless since he would just create more 0.5 seconds later.

Those clones hit for 5-10 damage and as for the conditions they are most likely applying … Dagger 4 is really good. I try and wait till I pop Corrupt Boon before using it as it will then also transfer my weakness to the target as well. Anything left over is just fuel for our heal which is one of the best in the entire game.

Ruufio.1496:

What did I say to the Mesmer? I told him to play a class that takes kittening skill. I don’t think opponents can hear you though..

See … this is where you just kitten me off because you have no idea how much skill it takes to make it look that easy. You were the wrong spec to face that target and you choose to stay and die rather than walk away to saftey. It is ultimately your fault you died. Instead of crying and complaining here you should have been in the necro forums asking for advice or strategy to make you a better player.

I agree and disagree. Mesmer does take skill to play. You can really see the difference between a good and bad mesmer when you face them(really obvious). But when there is a skilled person playing mesmer, they are most definitly overpowered! The bad ones i can beat easily but the good ones i feel completely helpless against. Usually the good ones will stun you at least twice( even when i use a stunbreaker im not safe!). While the clones run in and go burst! and then the phantasms go burst!(with maybe another daze or stun thrown in there + all their other skill damage) and if you are not alrdy dead you will be in the next 10 secs(or less). While dealing hardly any damage to them cause i was either stunned, trying to survive, or trying to figure out which one is the real mesmer(it gets pretty tricky when they stealth).
It sux having no control in a fight… and i haven’t gotten that feeling facing any other class but mes! Then again i could be wrong since i do play nec. Not having very good stability options can lead to a lot of unwanted stun lol.

But yea..
Just my opinion based on my battles with mesmers. Hopefully i dont get a million l2plays for my post ;o

OMNIBUS.2913:

I agree and disagree. Mesmer does take skill to play. You can really see the difference between a good and bad mesmer when you face them(really obvious). But when there is a skilled person playing mesmer, they are most definitly overpowered! The bad ones i can beat easily but the good ones i feel completely helpless against. Usually the good ones will stun you at least twice( even when i use a stunbreaker im not safe!). While the clones run in and go burst! and then the phantasms go burst!(with maybe another daze or stun thrown in there + all their other skill damage) and if you are not alrdy dead you will be in the next 10 secs(or less). While dealing hardly any damage to them cause i was either stunned, trying to survive, or trying to figure out which one is the real mesmer(it gets pretty tricky when they stealth).
It sux having no control in a fight… and i haven’t gotten that feeling facing any other class but mes! Then again i could be wrong since i do play nec. Not having very good stability options can lead to a lot of unwanted stun lol.

But yea..
Just my opinion based on my battles with mesmers. Hopefully i dont get a million l2plays for my post ;o

you actually get a bump. Any class in the hands of a GOOD player is overpowered. I am by no means a good Mesmer player and I have gotten my rear handed to me by a couple necros. That doesn’t mean I don’t learn from it. But a good warrior is WAY OP. D/d ele’s (I know few) but when they are good they just make that class invincible. P/D/D/P thieves that know how to use a combo field and stack bleeds plus avoid reflects extremely OP. A condi engi can slap on just as many if not more than any class can take off and a good bunker guardian can have block up for more than half the fight and take no damage. So honestly I define OP as who is behind the keyboard. Now in certain situations certain classes have an innate advantage thieves in WvW due to rendering/culling. Mesmers as well but less so. And some builds I have I don’t even use stealth. But I am glad you are not posting a qq but an objective look at a complex class without being to judgemental. And if any mesmers here tell you L2P they should be ashamed.

I don’t play a necromancer so try not to assume things. I play the lack luster Warrior in PvP and Thief when I want to be OP.

Truth is the Mesmer is Over Powered still even though the only two true nerfs you have had (no phantasmal/clone on dodge and the confusion nerf) were needed. The Mesmer is still out of line compared to the other classes.

Vanthian.9267:

I don’t play a necromancer so try not to assume things. I play the lack luster Warrior in PvP and Thief when I want to be OP.

Truth is the Mesmer is Over Powered still even though the only two true nerfs you have had (no phantasmal/clone on dodge and the confusion nerf) were needed. The Mesmer is still out of line compared to the other classes.

In other words you are just jumping on the bandwagon and don’t actually understand the context of the OP’s complaint.

Vanthian.9267:

I don’t play a necromancer so try not to assume things. I play the lack luster Warrior in PvP and Thief when I want to be OP.

Truth is the Mesmer is Over Powered still even though the only two true nerfs you have had (no phantasmal/clone on dodge and the confusion nerf) were needed. The Mesmer is still out of line compared to the other classes.

1. Warrior is one of the best support/CC classes in the game and are complete game changers in group play. They only appear to be “lack luster” in solo play because there are far better solo classes in the game.

2. I find it humorous that you would admit that Thief is “OP” while saying that it is Mesmer that is “out of line” with other classes.

What classes exactly? Obviously not thief. There are only 8 classes in the game and I can put 3 (Thief, Elementalist, Guardian) over top of the Mesmer in most situations and situationally more in non-solo scenarios … so that is pretty much middle of the road. In fact, I find my necro to be just as good as my mesmer regardless of what the OP believes.

Also, in what type of game play situation? Solo? Group? Zerg? Blanket statements are blanket statements.

The Mesmer is OP because:

- They create NPCs.
- Having to destroy clones is blind effect X 100.
- Invisibility.
- Invulnerability every 10 seconds.
- Chaos armor which is the best combo effect in the game.
- Time Warp.
- Portal.
- Confusion which is around 1K damage per attack.
- One of the highest burst damage in the game.
- Some of the best abilities in the game to disengage any fight.
- Multiple dazes/stuns.
- Easy access to retaliation.
- Reflection.
- Too many invincible skills; Block, invulnerability, distortion.
- Class with one of the highest amount of access to boons and a LOT of boons.
- Massive boon removal and condition removal.

Just look at the Mesmer traits. Mesmer has the most exciting to choose traits in the entire game. You can’t look at them without going, “Omg… WHAT SHALL I CHOOSE????!!!!”

You look at traits for classes like Necromancer? Lol. Not even comparable.

So please, tell me more of how this invincible class of invincibleness isn’t overpowered that can regain boons whenever it pleases (Which goes against Anets policy of having boons up constantly such as retaliation) can make opponents attacks deal damage to himself with confusion, retaliation AND reflection, creates NPCs that which are overpowered in every way but to top it off also shoot at you in your downed state which the Mesmer runs off, etc. etc.

The mesmer can do everything that every other class put together can do.

Okay first off our confusion is a joke unless we trait heavily to get it. But confusion is also a signature of the mesmer class. Our high burst damage comes at a cost of being squishy (those 8k mindwracks generally mean 0 toughness). Portal is getting shared with other classes (necros?) Clones are the basis for our class sorry mate. We only have 2 NPC’s that cause real damage per 2 weapon sets and they are clearly not us unless all mesmers are glowy and purply (THAT WOULD BE COOL!) Our ability to disengage any fight? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! We are with out a doubt the slowest class in this entire game. Other classes that don’t have a speed signet still have better access to swiftness than we do and our blink is at a range of a whopping 900. We can go invuln every 10 seconds but that if we are doing that defensively then we are losing damage output. Multiple dazes? Only depending on our weapon set. Sword 4 has a daze IF we don’t land the block and only if we press the button again. Pistol has a stun but it is one a fairly long CD. And easy access to retaliation? Only if we are traiting for it. If we are heavily traited into the focus and take a trait for our f2 shatter. Yeah we can have full up time to retaliation. However these builds are usually heavy bunker builds that don’t do much direct damage and instead rely on the stupidity of the other player to keep trying to AOE everything down and killing themselves. We only get reflection again if we heavily trait for it and there again are sacrificing something else. We only have our true distortion once every 45 seconds and the Blurred Frenzy as a defense is usually our only block/invuln that lasts beyond one attack. Scepter 2 and sword 4 only block one attack and after that it goes to c/d. The mesmer does not have an amazing 30/30/30/30/30 build like you seem to think this mesmer had. Number 1 they were prolly a bunker which is why they had so many boons but that means their damage out put was a joke and the only reliable method of swiftness they have is from focus 4 but even when traited the swiftness ends before the focus cooldown. Now sure necros may have it bad in some departments but we have to give up almost all other bonuses to even match your health even as a bunker our condition removal is limited and as I understand it necro’s have very good viable way’s to deal with enemies boons. You already admitted that the mesmer caught you with bad utilities up but instead of acknowledging that fact you call out the entire mesmer class. Instead go to the necro forum and ask for advice on how to handle this. Or come here and ask what our weaknesses are we are sick of being nerfed so we all gladly give advice on how to handle certain situations if it means us not getting yet another nerf. Thanks have a nice day.