Guild Wars 2

I mean seriously guys?

We get Nerfs:

• Mesmers are crying.

We Get Buffs:

• Mesmers are crying.

No New Stuff:

• No build diversity! Mesmers are crying.

New Stuff:

• No build diversity! Mesmers are crying.

News about changes without specific details:

• OP! Broken! Mesmers are crying.

It’s such a spectacle here in the mesmer forums. I main a mesmer myself but all I see is crying everywhere.

Why not put all that energy into positive stuff like theorycrafting?

Hey, I’m not crying! :o

I can’t wait to try out some of these traits – due to the significant changes I’ve gone back to the drawing board in my mind to find out what I truly enjoy and want to get out of the class.

Curunen.8729:

Hey, I’m not crying! :o

I can’t wait to try out some of these traits – due to the significant changes I’ve gone back to the drawing board in my mind to find out what I truly enjoy and want to get out of the class.

Yeap, Im not naming specific mesmers, but you know them when you see them post.

It’s basically just two or three people doing most of the complaining on here. Everybody else seems neutral-to-positive.

Once again no actual arguments about how these people are wrong, just sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘nuh uh’. Its almost as if you don’t actually have an argument.

Levetty.1279:

Once again no actual arguments about how these people are wrong, just sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘nuh uh’. Its almost as if you don’t actually have an argument.

Dude no offense, your post history shows you complain a lot.

#realtalk

StickerHappy.8052:

Levetty.1279:

Once again no actual arguments about how these people are wrong, just sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘nuh uh’. Its almost as if you don’t actually have an argument.

Dude no offense, your post history shows you complain a lot.

#realtalk

Once again you have not told me how I am wrong in what I am saying because you can’t.

I have also made lots of positive comments on the Rangers board because those changes were actually good and varied.

I’m really happy with these changes

Levetty.1279:

StickerHappy.8052:

Levetty.1279:

Once again no actual arguments about how these people are wrong, just sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘nuh uh’. Its almost as if you don’t actually have an argument.

Dude no offense, your post history shows you complain a lot.

#realtalk

Once again you have not told me how I am wrong in what I am saying because you can’t.

No worries, I can tell you how wrong you are. Let me just quote myself here:

Fay.2357:

…And lastly, that all being said, I recognize that there’s simply several orders of magnitude too much information that we’ve been deluged with to armchair theorycraft our way out of this mess. I didn’t reach my level of understanding about this class by sitting on the forums and tearing apart new builds that people post, contrary to what some might believe. I reached my level of understanding by playing mesmer for thousands of hours, testing, trying, experimenting, and learning.

The amount of changes that we’ve just been shown are comparable to the amount of uncertainty that we approached this game with as new players years ago. Anyone that thinks to make definite proclamations about how things will or won’t play out post-expansion is simply wrong. Anyone that claims to know what’s going to happen, what’s going to be greatest and what’s going to be worst, is just spouting empty rhetoric. The only thing that can be said with absolute certainty right now is that nobody knows what’s going to happen. We’re going to have to get the changes, play the changes, and figure it out for ourselves.

Only after that will we be able to know.

Hopefully that clears it up for you.

Levetty.1279:

StickerHappy.8052:

Levetty.1279:

Once again no actual arguments about how these people are wrong, just sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘nuh uh’. Its almost as if you don’t actually have an argument.

Dude no offense, your post history shows you complain a lot.

#realtalk

Once again you have not told me how I am wrong in what I am saying because you can’t.

I have also made lots of positive comments on the Rangers board because those cahnges were actually good and varied.

Well, we’re getting two of our currently sub-meta builds buffed to what might hopefully be high-tier viable[Lockdown and Condition]. They’ve buffed phantasms too, it seems, and certain weapons to be able to incorporate illusions more into the traited weapons’ designs. It sounds cool, could be bad, but hopeful optimism is never bad here since it isn’t good nor bad news.

The only thing that can truly be considered bad is the removal of the clone-death traits, and I assume that’s because of Condi PU’s overtly passive style.

I say, the trade was in our favor. Sure, we got a bad thing. I’m sure all the professions can complain about 1 or 2 of the changes. But there are plenty of good things too, depending on perspective[maybe not you since you seem to dislike interrupt builds, but meh, what can ya do about opinions? Nothing.], so I see no reason to be uber pessimistic about that.

Anyway, that’s my reasoning behind it, someone might have different reasoning, but hopefully you won’t be saying our optimism is baseless now. Just a hope, I imagine.

StickerHappy.8052:

Why not put all that energy into positive stuff like theorycrafting?

I am doing that. But I share only a fraction. Because I will crush everyone with my new build, when nobody yet knows hot it works^^ At least this is how I killed ppl left and right around release^^

Cupcake elite is OP.

@Fay: That sounds like a less-than-subtle “shut up with your knee-jerk proclamations Chaos! You know nothing!”

…. /lockdown2015

MailMail.6534:

Cupcake elite is OP.

Its GW1, the elite is the golden horse face.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

@Fay: That sounds like a less-than-subtle “shut up with your knee-jerk proclamations Chaos! You know nothing!”

…. /lockdown2015

It does go both ways, yes =P.

StickerHappy.8052:

I main a mesmer myself but all I see is crying everywhere.

I’m sorry, Stickers. But you lost me when you said you main your Mesmer, you dirty ranger you!

But, overall, yes. I’m not the best at playing/theorycrafting, but I’m at least competent and there’s a lot of needless complaining. People need to accept (and thrive) on the changes. Our lockdown/condi traits are looking great. And for those who like straight-up $hatter builds, it looks like they are simply getting some new toys.

Fay.2357:

Levetty.1279:

StickerHappy.8052:

Levetty.1279:

Once again no actual arguments about how these people are wrong, just sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘nuh uh’. Its almost as if you don’t actually have an argument.

Dude no offense, your post history shows you complain a lot.

#realtalk

Once again you have not told me how I am wrong in what I am saying because you can’t.

No worries, I can tell you how wrong you are. Let me just quote myself here:

Fay.2357:

…And lastly, that all being said, I recognize that there’s simply several orders of magnitude too much information that we’ve been deluged with to armchair theorycraft our way out of this mess. I didn’t reach my level of understanding about this class by sitting on the forums and tearing apart new builds that people post, contrary to what some might believe. I reached my level of understanding by playing mesmer for thousands of hours, testing, trying, experimenting, and learning.

The amount of changes that we’ve just been shown are comparable to the amount of uncertainty that we approached this game with as new players years ago. Anyone that thinks to make definite proclamations about how things will or won’t play out post-expansion is simply wrong. Anyone that claims to know what’s going to happen, what’s going to be greatest and what’s going to be worst, is just spouting empty rhetoric. The only thing that can be said with absolute certainty right now is that nobody knows what’s going to happen. We’re going to have to get the changes, play the changes, and figure it out for ourselves.

Only after that will we be able to know.

Hopefully that clears it up for you.

Well your the most level headed person on this board and its nice to have an actaul conversation instead of other people who just throw about insults and refuse to acknowledge anything but praise to anet.

I think your over stating things slightly though. While the mass amount of changes does throw everything up in the air, we do have a lot better idea of how the game plays now then we did then, we know how certain mechanics work in practice and we know what does well where. So I don’t think we are going in as blind as were back then.

And we can plainly see here that they have focused way too much on two narrow build types (interupt and shatter) that aren’t really suitable for every mode. On top of that power shatter will still most likely be chased out of PvP by theif and fishing for interupts will still be sub par to more general lockdowns that don’t rely on actual interupting.

I have a good feeling about maim shatter doing well but then we have things like (as you pointed out) ele’s diamond skin or the Rev elite that can constantly send condis back at you. That is one that we will have try out to see where it falls.

I’ve been telling you Mesmer’s for years..

“TimeWarp is THE BEST elite in sPvP. Why aren’t Mesmer’s playing it?”

Now tomorrow, we’ll see the Chronomancer and everyone’s going to be dropping MI and Moa so fast. Let me just say….

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

Sidenote: Yet despite that, I’m still here if you wanna honestly talk shop and theorycraft.

But if you wanna argue, use legit facts and not broad generalizations.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Sidenote: Yet despite that, I’m still here if you wanna honestly talk shop and theorycraft.

But if you wanna argue, use legit facts and not broad generalizations.

After the blog with chronomancer, lets theorycraft

Also to the guy that was insulting chaos, I don’t know what is the problem , but you just got a huge buff with traits and yet you are complaining. Second, if you call lockdown bad, I suggest you duel me and I will show you how “Bad” lockdown is.

@ OP:
You are right. Here’s a lot qq on the forum and now we even got qq for all the qq. I admit that I also qqed a lot and that I am no better than any other here BUT you made me realize one important thing. QQ does NOT help. It just doesn’t do anything good. Not for Anet (cuz most qq is not constructive) neither for us as a community.
Therefore I call for all you mesmers out there, be more positive it really helps.
If Anet changes stuff we will figure out the best way to play with it.

@ Community
Also I’d like us as a community to be nice to each other. I did not read all the post of this kitten flame war going on on this subforum lately but I’ve read enough to tell you (and I mean ALL of you, NO MATTER WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG) STOP THAT! IT DOES NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING. If you guys think that it’s funny to insult each other then please do it elsewhere but not on the forums. It pulls down all of us.

We are the mesmers, we should as the class that’s least cared about by anet hold ourselves together and for Lyssa’s sake be a union. We are OMFG!

As cultish as that sounded, that’s some real talk right there Me Games Ma, respect.

@Levetty: We have a difference of opinion, obviously. =P But I don’t mean to cut you down or discredit you. That was wrong of me.

Like it or not, we’re going into the future of this class with these changes. This forum has always been one of the best sources of info and camaraderie for Mesmers out there and I’d very much like it to stay that way.

I apologize for losing my cool, and my offer still stands: Lets theorycraft something awesome.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

As cultish as that sounded, that’s some real talk right there Me Games Ma, respect.

@Levetty: We have a difference of opinion, obviously. =P But I don’t mean to cut you down or discredit you. That was wrong of me.

Like it or not, we’re going into the future of this class with these changes. This forum has always been one of the best sources of info and camaraderie for Mesmers out there and I’d very much like it to stay that way.

I apologize for losing my cool, and my offer still stands: Lets theorycraft something awesome.

You didn’t say anything to me. I guess we aren’t going to theorycraft new builds like we did last time :x

There is a difference between lockdown and interupt.

Little bit of salt is ok… Hyponatremia isn’t good for you. =p

the cynics and critics give a good perspective of the negative to weigh against the positive I find.

But at least let the salt come from somewhere. Yes we have had a history of neglect and low meta standings, lack of bug support ect. and hell even the very people in this topic have made comments in displeasure about certain aspects of the class, that we really do end up playing despite the faults that we can do nothing about.

But try not to get overly toxic and give credit where due.

Personally I’m not expecting toooo much tomorrow in context to the whole outstanding of the game… However I’ll still be pleasantly treated to something nice regardless <3

If not oh well wasn’t worrying about much anyways, I mean the meta has always been a fickle thing with us so if we get something unfortunetly under powered to the current well here we are again…

BUT as I said credit where due: Stun on dazes, Blind on shatters, Confusion on crits, I don’t quite know what “Master of fragmentation” is but I think I like it? *drools * >=3

Also since even if something seems OP or UP the new system I think will be more compensating towards balance, so I think as a whole over time it’ll make a lot of ppl less salty…

Well at least fingers crossed <3~

Levetty.1279:

There is a difference between lockdown and interupt.

…. Seriously!?

Hey. I tried.

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

Thank you.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

I’ll admit I haven’t actually compared to many of the spec traits yet, even less so start theory crafting outside of mes (since I really don’t unless it’s my main until official numbers are set in stone)…

But presuming the gameplay isn’t going to be Thaaaaat diffrent from what they were doing before outside maybe their elite spec, I think we are getting some nice things that can combat hidden targets, and at the very least find builds to tip the scales of pressure and momentum, which they hold for majority of the fight.

although I wouldn’t doubt theif would still counter mes, I’m hoping we are given a little bit more play in there.

Really as long as the momentum in the fights are given equal opportunity, I think it’d be fair enough. But we may still be hard countered so.. fingers crossed

Oh, this is by no means the final form for mesmer~
We are by no means done nagging ANet to balance us further, nor stop giving our constructive negative feedback of their failings.

The positiveness you see is us telling ANet “You’ve done good this time. Not bad, keep it up.” Because these changes, in the eyes of many, are going in the direction many want to see mesmer go. That’s good. It’s, of course, not perfect, but credit when its due, right?

Levetty.1279:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

Thank you.

I eat Thieves for breakfast. You must just be bad mesmers :p

CobraPolo.1723:

Levetty.1279:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

Thank you.

I eat Thieves for breakfast. You must just be bad mesmers :p

Thank you.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

FYI, Thieves only hard counter Zerker Mesmers. NOT ALL.

Yeah, it also amuses me how people cannot see the huge buffs to a lot of builds that will make them OP in the right hands.

I mean MtD with IP, PU, +50% torment damage while moving, Confusing Combatants now proccing on crits…
I mean power shatter dealing up to +35% damage plus the damage won for eliminating those useless +300 condi damage and +20% condi duration baseline stats, with also PU and all the defensive boons of chaos.
I mean lockdown mesmer being hugely buffed with tons of traits that proc on interruptions.

PD: We can’t pvp = we cannot be in top pvp where only few dozens of players are able to play that gameplay.
For the rest of pvp (WvW included) we’re one of the best professions at it and in the future we will be even better.

Mesmers have a unicorn and cupcake ability? What the kitten… Nerf this afk faceroll class…

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

I only play WvW, so I don’t know much about how strong thieves are in tPVP, but blind on shatter, weakness on interrupt, Chaos Armor giving protection and IP baseline are huge changes to our gameplay against thieves.

Condi builds got even stronger and in my limited experience (I usually play power builds) you can beat most thieves with those.

I will laugh now at thieves when roaming with my MtD, IP, PU, Confusing Combatants, burning, bleeding and confusion stacking shatter build.

Speaking from a thief perspective (yes I play both), a dazed thief still has lot of dodging and kiting to buy them time, but a stunned thief is a totally different story. With CS being 100% stun and in adept tier, a good lockdown mesmer can bait out a lot of thief’s stun breaks. Next thing you know they’re casting shadow refuge to re-organise their pacing.

What determines the outcome of the game is really how well the mesmer knows thief animations and habits. Indeed thieves have lots of evade skills, but there are also windows where stuns can make a difference.

But I agree with Pyro, too early to determine anything right now. The devs specifically said they’re reevaluating thieves’ stolen item. Whether it could be for the worst or for the better to mesmer, who knows.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Levetty.1279:

Well your the most level headed person on this board and its nice to have an actaul conversation instead of other people who just throw about insults and refuse to acknowledge anything but praise to anet.

Alright.. Ight chief, I just can’t anymore.

As far as you and I go Levetty, YOU’RE the one who started hurling insults first. When I responded to your last thread I had mentioned that we don’t have enough information to make any claims and that you were crying doom and gloom for nothing.

… Because you were.

You first burst into tears when the news of specializations first hit, before we knew of the trait changes. What did you do? You dismissed me off as “that guy that uses that niche build that is overshadowed by hambow warriors.”

I took that, let it rock, and still offered to help you theorycraft. Since then all of your posts have been the same old drivel about how terrible anet is and how they don’t know what they are doing.

Now we see the mostly excellent trait changes and you still cry.

So you know what I think? I think you’re a parrot. I think you’re just mad that we’re getting an offhand shield and are using any excuse to cry.

You run a maimed build and wanna dump on lockdown? Seriously? Pyro just told you its too early to predict the meta, and you reply by telling him lockdown is gonna be bad and shatter is going to still be bad?

I dont think youve actually taken a good look at the changes here. I don’t think you’re input is accurate
Everything I said before was in jest, here’s an insult: You don’t really know what you’re talking about.

You’re speaking from what you’ve heard rather than experience. I doubt you’ve actually put time in to a lockdown build to claim to know how good it is or what is better. You don’t have some amazing foresight into the future of the game and how the changes are going to affect the future.

So instead of broad generalizations as to why things are so bad, instead of ad hominems and trying to discredit people who know what they’re talking about, how about you allow yourself to be a bit more open-minded and a bit less high-sodium?

You’re just full of sh… Salt.

(I am totally getting infracted for this.)

If you’ve invoked the wrath of ChaosA, you know you’ve blown it.

Also gotta say, that’s the softed rebuke in the history of rebukes. It’s like a cloud floated in and bumped into this guy. If Chaos were a pokemon, he’d be Jigglypuff. GG

Dondagora.9645:

Oh, this is by no means the final form for mesmer~
We are by no means done nagging ANet to balance us further, nor stop giving our constructive negative feedback of their failings.

The positiveness you see is us telling ANet “You’ve done good this time. Not bad, keep it up.” Because these changes, in the eyes of many, are going in the direction many want to see mesmer go. That’s good. It’s, of course, not perfect, but credit when its due, right?

Whoa whoa whoa, you’ll break Levity.

Ross Biddle.2367:

If you’ve invoked the wrath of ChaosA, you know you’ve blown it.

Also gotta say, that’s the softed rebuke in the history of rebukes. It’s like a cloud floated in and bumped into this guy. If Chaos were a pokemon, he’d be Jigglypuff. GG

I literally thought the same thing. If you’ve somehow gotten under Chaos’ skin, you must be pretty awful tbh. Regardless, Jigglypuff’s attack was super effective.

SlimChance.6593:

I’ve been telling you Mesmer’s for years..

“TimeWarp is THE BEST elite in sPvP. Why aren’t Mesmer’s playing it?”

Now tomorrow, we’ll see the Chronomancer and everyone’s going to be dropping MI and Moa so fast. Let me just say….

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

Til a few months ago TW was 10 seconds of glory 200 seconds of excuciating pain and wait now its only 170 seconds of pain and wait so just because youll be right in the future does not make you right in the past. Something something clock something something twice a day …

MailMail.6534:

Ross Biddle.2367:

If you’ve invoked the wrath of ChaosA, you know you’ve blown it.

Also gotta say, that’s the softed rebuke in the history of rebukes. It’s like a cloud floated in and bumped into this guy. If Chaos were a pokemon, he’d be Jigglypuff. GG

I literally thought the same thing. If you’ve somehow gotten under Chaos’ skin, you must be pretty awful tbh. Regardless, Jigglypuff’s attack was super effective.

Too effective. Chaos Archangel OP, pls nerf.

StickerHappy.8052:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

FYI, Thieves only hard counter Zerker Mesmers. NOT ALL.

And every non-zerker mesmer is a joke. I’ve had a nice 1v1 with some yesterday (several different mesmers in different matches) where i could just spam /shrug while they were trying to MtD me or danced around producing clones that did put “copious amounts of conditions” on me that i could cleanse away. Each time i just capped the point while they were pulling off their awesome combos…. Pretty impressive.

They could have killed a thief though. I’ll give them that.

serenke.4806:

StickerHappy.8052:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

FYI, Thieves only hard counter Zerker Mesmers. NOT ALL.

And every non-zerker mesmer is a joke. I’ve had a nice 1v1 with some yesterday (several different mesmers in different matches) where i could just spam /shrug while they were trying to MtD me or danced around producing clones that did put “copious amounts of conditions” on me that i could cleanse away. Each time i just capped the point while they were pulling off their awesome combos…. Pretty impressive.

They could have killed a thief though. I’ll give them that.

Always depends on the matchup. You build to counter conditions, of course a condition build is going to be countered by you. This shouldnt need stating -_-u

Levetty.1279:

So I don’t think we are going in as blind as were back then.

You’re certainly right here. This is the reason any credible theorycrafting is really possible at all right now. However, you have to remember the origins of this word. ‘Theory’ ‘Crafting’. Until something is tested and tried…it’s still just theory. Making hard statements and predictions about what will and will not happen is overstepping the bounds of what is reasonable right now.

And we can plainly see here that they have focused way too much on two narrow build types (interupt and shatter) that aren’t really suitable for every mode.[/quote]

Really? Signet builds got an enormous buff, with every signet trait on the tree condensed into one. Non-pve mantra builds got some significant buffs, with some traits made baseline, some combined, and some combined into other strong traits.

Shatter builds got boosted in multiple different ways…but there is a massive range of shatter builds that got buffed. Not only were power shatter builds buffed, but condie shatter was drastically boosted. Additionally, even support shatter builds have seen significant buffs.

It’s disingenuous to say that ‘just shatter and interrupt’ were buffed.

Levetty.1279:

On top of that power shatter will still most likely be chased out of PvP by theif and fishing for interupts will still be sub par to more general lockdowns that don’t rely on actual interupting.

Power shatter may well have gotten the edge it needs to fight thief in the form of a guaranteed and easily accessed stun from confounding suggestions. Small changes like that can have large ramifications in a fight.

If you feel that interrupts are worse than general lockdowns…why is that a problem? If lockdown is your thing, mesmer does that quite well.

Something that is really nice for mesmers that utilize torch. Torch Cleansing is no longer a master competing with shattered concentration, having found a new home down in adept Illusions.

This is a nice change as it gives an easy access to condi cleanse should you torch and pitchfork it up!

Blinding Dissipation also has my attention.

serenke.4806:

StickerHappy.8052:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

FYI, Thieves only hard counter Zerker Mesmers. NOT ALL.

And every non-zerker mesmer is a joke. I’ve had a nice 1v1 with some yesterday (several different mesmers in different matches) where i could just spam /shrug while they were trying to MtD me or danced around producing clones that did put “copious amounts of conditions” on me that i could cleanse away. Each time i just capped the point while they were pulling off their awesome combos…. Pretty impressive.

They could have killed a thief though. I’ll give them that.

It’s quite possible that they were just….bad. If they were actually good, you wouldn’t have been able to easily cleanse away all the conditions.

Alternatively, you’re just giving an inaccurate representation of what actually happened for the purpose of forum posturing. That’s also a possibility.

Ross Biddle.2367:

serenke.4806:

StickerHappy.8052:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

FYI, Thieves only hard counter Zerker Mesmers. NOT ALL.

And every non-zerker mesmer is a joke. I’ve had a nice 1v1 with some yesterday (several different mesmers in different matches) where i could just spam /shrug while they were trying to MtD me or danced around producing clones that did put “copious amounts of conditions” on me that i could cleanse away. Each time i just capped the point while they were pulling off their awesome combos…. Pretty impressive.

They could have killed a thief though. I’ll give them that.

Always depends on the matchup. You build to counter conditions, of course a condition build is going to be countered by you. This shouldnt need stating -_-u

Indeed, but what’s the point of having a thief-killer mesmer who cannot do anything but kill thieves? This shouldn’t need stating either.

And for Pyro, no i am not posturing or exaggerating, but a zerk mesmer (shatter or interrupt) would have been dangerous where these were funny at best.

Levetty.1279:

Once again you have not told me how I am wrong in what I am saying because you can’t.

You don’t have to be wrong to be unlikable.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

No matter what anyone else says, no matter what positive spin people try to put on it, Thieves are getting even stronger and we will still have no way to deal with them. Short of receiving active stealth-canceling abilities, Mesmer is and will remain a “PvP-centric” profession that can’t PvP because we are effectively deleted from the game by another profession.

Yes, this affects the small minority game mode of sPvP. If all it costs to improve the majority of the game is to accept some imbalance in a highly nichy format, so be it. Small price to pay.
Even then, you’re exaggerating the effect, to put it mildly.