Guild Wars 2

Fear the Reaper
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Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

Not to mention a traited stun break upon DS entry with 1 stability.

We will REAP you interrupt mesmers in Reaper mode.

in the past:
interrupt mesmer turns up = Necro shouts “noooooo”

now:
interrupt mesmer turns up = Necro enters reaper shroud and activates skill 3 and looooool

not to mention we got a 600 range gap closer on a 4 second cooldown traited

600 range every 4 seconds
with immense chill abilities

TRY TO KITE US NOW

Where is the love bro? Mesmer’s quickness could come in handy for you slow necros.

P.S. Interrupt mesmers beg to differ

Mesmer is a natural counter to Neco. These changes don’t really effect this fact. However, it definitely opened up a different style of play for Necros. Fortunately for Mesmers, we have MUCH better access to condition clear than we’ve ever had despite always having multiple sources of it.

Basically, the Necro vs Mesmer matchup will continue to favor Mesmer, but hey, at least we aren’t a hard counter to your class like someone is to ours…

MailMail.6534:

Mesmer is a natural counter to Neco. These changes don’t really effect this fact. However, it definitely opened up a different style of play for Necros. Fortunately for Mesmers, we have MUCH better access to condition clear than we’ve ever had despite always having multiple sources of it.

Basically, the Necro vs Mesmer matchup will continue to favor Mesmer, but hey, at least we aren’t a hard counter to your class like someone is to ours…

Chill is really bad on mesmer if I must say so myself.

StickerHappy.8052:

MailMail.6534:

Mesmer is a natural counter to Neco. These changes don’t really effect this fact. However, it definitely opened up a different style of play for Necros. Fortunately for Mesmers, we have MUCH better access to condition clear than we’ve ever had despite always having multiple sources of it.

Basically, the Necro vs Mesmer matchup will continue to favor Mesmer, but hey, at least we aren’t a hard counter to your class like someone is to ours…

Chill is really bad on mesmer if I must say so myself.

ANY condition is horrific on a Mesmer lol, but the trait revamp gives us a heck ton more access to condition clear. We can now take Shattered Conditions and Mender’s Purity without totally wrecking our shatter effectiveness (loss of IP). Also, going down Inspiration doesn’t necessarily mean we lose out on as much power like we would currently. We also have the awesome Time Marches On trait in Chronomancer that helps combat this soft CC.

Things are definitely looking up for Mesmer.

StickerHappy.8052:

MailMail.6534:

Mesmer is a natural counter to Neco. These changes don’t really effect this fact. However, it definitely opened up a different style of play for Necros. Fortunately for Mesmers, we have MUCH better access to condition clear than we’ve ever had despite always having multiple sources of it.

Basically, the Necro vs Mesmer matchup will continue to favor Mesmer, but hey, at least we aren’t a hard counter to your class like someone is to ours…

Chill is really bad on mesmer if I must say so myself.

Actually Stickers has it right. Chill on Mesmer is THE worst. That said, the art will be in not letting it land, and an interrupt build (which is unlikely to have great condi clear) will be a strong counter to Reaper. It’s really no different than now. Avoid application, kite, apply passive phantasm pressure, and keep your distance in particular vs the slow, melee ranged Reaper.

Still, necros and those bloody duel health bars -_-u Also not going to be fun “1v1’ing” a Reaper yet he getting all his bonus damage vs multiple opponents due to clone/phant presence.

Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

not to mention we got a 600 range gap closer on a 4 second cooldown traited
600 range every 4 seconds
with immense chill abilities
TRY TO KITE US NOW

EremiteAngel.9765:

Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

You wouldn’t know this, because you’re a necro, but Stability doesn’t tend to be an issue for us either due to all the ways we can strip it. lol Have you ever seen Lich vs Mesmer?

@Ross
Yeah I get it, but if you’re letting conditions land on you as a Mesmer under most circumstances, you’re screwed regardless. But yes, chill is quite the nasty condition on Mesmer. I see more people taking Shattered Conditions than they ever did before.

EremiteAngel.9765:

not to mention we got a 600 range gap closer on a 4 second cooldown traited
600 range every 4 seconds
with immense chill abilities
TRY TO KITE US NOW

I am really happy for necros, yes you will be a PITA to deal with now!

MailMail.6534:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

You wouldn’t know this, because you’re a necro, but Stability doesn’t tend to be an issue for us either due to all the ways we can strip it. lol Have you ever seen Lich vs Mesmer?

@Ross
Yeah I get it, but if you’re letting conditions land on you as a Mesmer under most circumstances, you’re screwed regardless. But yes, chill is quite the nasty condition on Mesmer. I see more people taking Shattered Conditions than they ever did before.

its a pulsing 3 seconds stability every second for 8 secs.

let me see you strip that every second.

StickerHappy.8052:

EremiteAngel.9765:

not to mention we got a 600 range gap closer on a 4 second cooldown traited
600 range every 4 seconds
with immense chill abilities
TRY TO KITE US NOW

I am really happy for necros, yes you will be a PITA to deal with now!

well said.
now we are finally a match for you mesmers.

LETS MEET ON THE BATTLE FIELD AS EQUALS

EremiteAngel.9765:

MailMail.6534:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

You wouldn’t know this, because you’re a necro, but Stability doesn’t tend to be an issue for us either due to all the ways we can strip it. lol Have you ever seen Lich vs Mesmer?

@Ross
Yeah I get it, but if you’re letting conditions land on you as a Mesmer under most circumstances, you’re screwed regardless. But yes, chill is quite the nasty condition on Mesmer. I see more people taking Shattered Conditions than they ever did before.

its a pulsing 3 seconds stability every second for 8 secs.

let me see you strip that every second.

In my experience, the change has made it slightly more difficult than before, but each clone shattering takes away a boon so… And besides, I use feedback in my classic shatter build which also ensures a good amount of safety against lich. Sorry, it’s just not that threatening to me based on my experiences. Necros are usually the first person I try to engage over Mesmer/Thief/Ranger. haha

What I really disliked in the stream was the pulsing stability in the new DS skill 3. This kind of skills seem to be fashionable, but they don’t allow any counter play using boon strips. I understand for an elite skill, but this is just ridiculous.

Sorel.4870:

What I really disliked in the stream was the pulsing stability in the new DS skill 3. This kind of skills seem to be fashionable, but they don’t allow any counter play using boon strips. I understand for an elite skill, but this is just ridiculous.

not ridiculous if you look at warrior’s berserker stance
no condi for 8 seconds is ridiculous for a condi build to fight against

or for that matter, ele’s diamond skin
condi builds just crash and burn without any ability to counter play

EremiteAngel.9765:

MailMail.6534:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

You wouldn’t know this, because you’re a necro, but Stability doesn’t tend to be an issue for us either due to all the ways we can strip it. lol Have you ever seen Lich vs Mesmer?

@Ross
Yeah I get it, but if you’re letting conditions land on you as a Mesmer under most circumstances, you’re screwed regardless. But yes, chill is quite the nasty condition on Mesmer. I see more people taking Shattered Conditions than they ever did before.

its a pulsing 3 seconds stability every second for 8 secs.

let me see you strip that every second.

This is like saying signit of stone, or endure pain are a hassle. It just means 8 seconds of kiting for a mes, which passes pretty quickly.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Sorel.4870:

What I really disliked in the stream was the pulsing stability in the new DS skill 3. This kind of skills seem to be fashionable, but they don’t allow any counter play using boon strips. I understand for an elite skill, but this is just ridiculous.

not ridiculous if you look at warrior’s berserker stance
no condi for 8 seconds is ridiculous for a condi build to fight against

It’s not quite the same case. I don’t like berserker stance precisely because it’s so passive and have no counter play. But a pulsing stability is like a pulsing Resistance: it removes the advantage of it being a boon.

Of course, we won’t be rid of that silly signet of stone, but one fight at a time.

MailMail.6534:

EremiteAngel.9765:

MailMail.6534:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Reapers got a 10 second stability uptime on a 16 second cooldown. Reaper skill 3 with traits.

TRY TO INTERRUPT US NOW

You wouldn’t know this, because you’re a necro, but Stability doesn’t tend to be an issue for us either due to all the ways we can strip it. lol Have you ever seen Lich vs Mesmer?

@Ross
Yeah I get it, but if you’re letting conditions land on you as a Mesmer under most circumstances, you’re screwed regardless. But yes, chill is quite the nasty condition on Mesmer. I see more people taking Shattered Conditions than they ever did before.

its a pulsing 3 seconds stability every second for 8 secs.

let me see you strip that every second.

In my experience, the change has made it slightly more difficult than before, but each clone shattering takes away a boon so… And besides, I use feedback in my classic shatter build which also ensures a good amount of safety against lich. Sorry, it’s just not that threatening to me based on my experiences. Necros are usually the first person I try to engage over Mesmer/Thief/Ranger. haha

You’re right, lich vs mesmer is brutal, because of both the boon stripping and the moa. The old lich was silly: ONE shatter and it was dead, because it had no stun-breakers and no DS.

But I’m against the generalization of these pulsing stability. What’s the point of boon stripping if you can reapply boons constantly. I feel like a lot of new boons and way to apply them are added in HoT, making boon stripping less useful.

Sorel.4870:

What I really disliked in the stream was the pulsing stability in the new DS skill 3. This kind of skills seem to be fashionable, but they don’t allow any counter play using boon strips. I understand for an elite skill, but this is just ridiculous.

I completely disagree, necros needed that stability otherwise they would be moving targets again and soaking all the damage and CCs

The interesting thing is that power block will put skills on a 15 second cooldown. If you interrupt that dash skill (which has a 1 second cast time), it’ll go on a cooldown 3 times longer than normal.

Fay.2357:

The interesting thing is that power block will put skills on a 15 second cooldown. If you interrupt that dash skill (which has a 1 second cast time), it’ll go on a cooldown 3 times longer than normal.

Plus you’ll take damage, possibly be stunned, imobed, chilled, crippled, slowed.

Yeah not seeing the problem v Necros. Loving those channels.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

The interesting thing is that power block will put skills on a 15 second cooldown. If you interrupt that dash skill (which has a 1 second cast time), it’ll go on a cooldown 3 times longer than normal.

Plus you’ll take damage, possibly be stunned, imobed, chilled, crippled, slowed.

Yeah not seeing the problem v Necros. Loving those channels.

I’m calling it right now, it will get an ICD.

well…i’m not going to try and change your opinions now…but dont clamour to nerf necros when we meet in HoT

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

The interesting thing is that power block will put skills on a 15 second cooldown. If you interrupt that dash skill (which has a 1 second cast time), it’ll go on a cooldown 3 times longer than normal.

Plus you’ll take damage, possibly be stunned, imobed, chilled, crippled, slowed.

Yeah not seeing the problem v Necros. Loving those channels.

I’m calling it right now, it will get an ICD.

What exactly, that’s 5 traits revolving around an entire build concept. At the cost of other stuff to make it actually function.

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

The interesting thing is that power block will put skills on a 15 second cooldown. If you interrupt that dash skill (which has a 1 second cast time), it’ll go on a cooldown 3 times longer than normal.

Plus you’ll take damage, possibly be stunned, imobed, chilled, crippled, slowed.

Yeah not seeing the problem v Necros. Loving those channels.

I’m calling it right now, it will get an ICD.

What exactly, that’s 5 traits revolving around an entire build concept. At the cost of other stuff to make it actually function.

Oops sorry, Power Block will.

Eremite.

You and I will settle this. Reaper to Chronomancer.

Prepare yourself, challenge accepted.

can’t wait to see the fights!

I still think Mesmer will win. Slow on top of the slow skills, Interrupts, and general boon removal/mobility from the mesmer… Hard to beat!

Also… remember that you don’t have 10s of stability. you have short-duration stability that pulses. A 1-2 punch can still lock you down. :-)

Yah, lots of long cast times, and that stability can only do so much. Mesmer is very good at moving in and out of melee range, it’ll be hard for Reaper to find time to even chill us. The moment they feel like they have a beat on us, we will just back out again. A slow moving target will also have to fight in our wells if the Mesmer has them.

Fully traited Death’s Charge vs fully traited Phase Retreat. The chase is on.

@EremiteAngel: I’m really glad that necros got as much (if not more) love from devs as mesmers did.

Not only we can now have a blast dueling each other but also … teaming up to unleash death on the battlefield.

EremiteAngel.9765:

well…i’m not going to try and change your opinions now…but dont clamour to nerf necros when we meet in HoT

Im afraid that you would cry nerf Chrono in HoT….

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Eremite.

You and I will settle this. Reaper to Chronomancer.

Prepare yourself, challenge accepted.

If it is you Chaos, I take back my declaration of war.
I am nowhere near your level XD
Maybe if another necro wants to take up the challenge?

rainpool.7189:

EremiteAngel.9765:

well…i’m not going to try and change your opinions now…but dont clamour to nerf necros when we meet in HoT

Im afraid that you would cry nerf Chrono in HoT….

LETS SEE THEM TRY AND MAKE NECROS CRY!!!!
ROARRRR!

oh oops I get so agitated by these mesmer > necros posts that I forgot I am going to take back my declaration of war

but honestly, we should appoint our most skilled necro vs your most skilled mesmer in a duel.

so it is build vs build

if i fought chaos, it will be chaos win because he is better skilled. not because mesmer > necro.

Not gonna lie, I’m interested in making a nec now with the Reaper announce. All my time playing GW2 and I’ve never made nec, guard, and the unspeakable thief (which I will never make and play regardless of their spec, cheesy things) and now I’m about to make nec and guard (Dragon Hunter). Now I wait for Tempest and Engi spec.

wow im looking forward to the challenge. :-) necros did need gap closers and im interested to duel them in future. as i play necro aswell of course im happy about the changes but still hyped more about my chronomancer :-)

EremiteAngel.9765:

well…i’m not going to try and change your opinions now…but dont clamour to nerf necros when we meet in HoT

LOL

I really think you’re in the wrong forum. There are definitely classes (guardian for example) that should fear you, but Mesmer is NOT one of them. How about you take you proclamations of strength elsewhere, because as of now, the game is designed in a way where Mesmer is a natural counter to Necromancer no matter what 3 trait lines we take and what 3 trait lines you take.

And the only class Mesmers cry to nerf is Thief. Outside of that, we simply want buffs for ourselves.

Crowing about specific abilities when they haven’t even been finalized and still subject to huge change and rebalance is hilarious, and would be inappropriate on this subforum either way. Go back to the Necro forum with this.

keenlam.4753:

Fully traited Death’s Charge vs fully traited Phase Retreat. The chase is on.

Reaper: Your soul is….
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is…
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is … … !!!
Mesmer: Nope!

Awww… glorious.

EremiteAngel.9765:

not to mention we got a 600 range gap closer on a 4 second cooldown traited
600 range every 4 seconds
with immense chill abilities
TRY TO KITE US NOW

Sorry to burst your bubble, but…
Try to kite you?
f.e.~
Staff #2, Immob on interrupt, possible stun on interrupt, Your skills have a long activation time -> every dangerous skill of yours can be blind-evaded.. You think a sword/pistol+staff interrupt will have a hard time to kite?

About the DS #3: 1 stack of stability? 2-3 clone shatter F3 can interrupt your slow skills just fine (you will have ~3 stacks of Stabi, we have innate IP, that can be 4 dazes in a second… But with boon removal on shatter, you don’t even need a full 3 clone shatter, as the first 1-2 shatter will remove your stability just fine), and that’s long-lasting instant Immob (was 2 seconds by default, and the Chaos 3rd Minor will make it last longer) for you.

Or do you wanna try yourself out against a sword/sword+staff one? I block your “big dmg but long activation” skill and dmg you for ~4k with the same skill, how is this trade for you?

Ohh, and yes, I’m using staff with my CI builds right now, can never have enough laugh of the lucky Chaos Storm dazes.
(Though I did not have so far a clean-Chaos Storm kill with 3-4 dazes in a row, I still love it.)

I really want to have great builds for spvp with necro, but Reaper is (imo, with the information I saw until now) not one.

Xaylin.1860:

keenlam.4753:

Fully traited Death’s Charge vs fully traited Phase Retreat. The chase is on.

Reaper: Your soul is….
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is…
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is … … !!!
Mesmer: Nope!

Awww… glorious.

Lol
Meanwhile, in another match:

Reaper: “YOUR SOUL IS ….”
Mesmer -interrrupted and stunned the reaper-
Reaper: “YOU ARE ALL WEAKLINGS!” – breaking stun and feeling strong with 10+ stacks of might-
Mesmer: Thank you for that! -stole the boons with AT-
Reaper: Wait? What? Oh no, you can’t have those boons. “NOTHING CAN S…!”
Mesmer -interrupted again, then blew the reaper up with shatters-

Mesmer: Sigh, I really hate it when people yell at me! -walked away in slow motion-

;)

Edited: btw, I’m sure this thread is just meant to be a tease so please dont be so hostile towards OP. I’d prefer to save it for thief specialization, I’m sure there will be nothing short of broken OP-ness.

this is not a tease!!!
I…I…am…serious… D=

keenlam.4753:

Edited: btw, I’m sure this thread is just meant to be a tease so please dont be so hostile towards OP. I’d prefer to save it for thief specialization, I’m sure there will be nothing short of broken OP-ness.

The comforting thing is that Mesmers and Necromancers are both pretty likely to hate on Thieves and Revenants and have a bonding experience. Intiative and Energy.

Well, actually I believe this match up, especially if it’s a Chronomancer fighting a Reaper (seeing alone those names sounds epic), can turn out either way.

• Chronomancer with Dueling has a many dazes/stuns/blinds at their disposal.
• Domination also offers boon stripping, which has the chance of hitting the foe in succession of many hits (up to possibly 4). This alone could counter the periodic stab application, but requires some timing or just luck or both.
• Going into chaos offers insane in combat mobility with the ultra powerful Staff trait, high Chaos Armor up time, frequent Chaos Storms and a strong interrupt effect with Chaotic Interruption.
• Additionally the shield and some chrono traits offer application of slow, which increases the natural weakness of Necromancers: their slow cast times.

Of course a Chronomancer cannot have all of this at once. Just pointing to the potentials.

And the bonus reapers get from fighting multiple foes might also be not that favorable, because many theory crafted lock down builds do not revolve around Deceptive Evasion.

On the other hand, it won’t be that simple to daze/stun a Reaper, especially in Reaper Shroud, as it is now to stun/daze a Necromancer. But it is not impossible. I think the gap between lock down Mesmers and Necromancer has closed a bit. If we both are equals now or if the Reaper actually counters lock down, will be seen after we can actually get our hands on the professions.

Holl from the necro forums declares war on Chaos Archangel!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Interrupt-Mesmers-Ultimatum/first#post5071414

keenlam.4753:

Xaylin.1860:

keenlam.4753:

Fully traited Death’s Charge vs fully traited Phase Retreat. The chase is on.

Reaper: Your soul is….
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is…
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is … … !!!
Mesmer: Nope!

Awww… glorious.

Lol
Meanwhile, in another match:

Reaper: “YOUR SOUL IS ….”
Mesmer -interrrupted and stunned the reaper-
Reaper: “YOU ARE ALL WEAKLINGS!” – breaking stun and feeling strong with 10+ stacks of might-
Mesmer: Thank you for that! -stole the boons with AT-
Reaper: Wait? What? Oh no, you can’t have those boons. “NOTHING CAN S…!”
Mesmer -interrupted again, then blew the reaper up with shatters-

Mesmer: Sigh, I really hate it when people yell at me! -walked away in slow motion-

;)

Edited: btw, I’m sure this thread is just meant to be a tease so please dont be so hostile towards OP. I’d prefer to save it for thief specialization, I’m sure there will be nothing short of broken OP-ness.

And then you realize the Necro popped Infusion of Terror before doing all that and thus had stability.. and Mesmer will be like “Wait WHAT, Stab on a Nec-dead”

(joking of course… Chronos and Reapers should ally! Quickness on Reaper looks so fun )

Shiki.7148:

keenlam.4753:

Xaylin.1860:

keenlam.4753:

Fully traited Death’s Charge vs fully traited Phase Retreat. The chase is on.

Reaper: Your soul is….
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is…
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is … … !!!
Mesmer: Nope!

Awww… glorious.

Lol
Meanwhile, in another match:

Reaper: “YOUR SOUL IS ….”
Mesmer -interrrupted and stunned the reaper-
Reaper: “YOU ARE ALL WEAKLINGS!” – breaking stun and feeling strong with 10+ stacks of might-
Mesmer: Thank you for that! -stole the boons with AT-
Reaper: Wait? What? Oh no, you can’t have those boons. “NOTHING CAN S…!”
Mesmer -interrupted again, then blew the reaper up with shatters-

Mesmer: Sigh, I really hate it when people yell at me! -walked away in slow motion-

;)

Edited: btw, I’m sure this thread is just meant to be a tease so please dont be so hostile towards OP. I’d prefer to save it for thief specialization, I’m sure there will be nothing short of broken OP-ness.

And then you realize the Necro popped Infusion of Terror before doing all that and thus had stability.. and Mesmer will be like “Wait WHAT, Stab on a Nec-dead”

(joking of course… Chronos and Reapers should ally! Quickness on Reaper looks so fun )

Then you realize Mesmer popped Continuum Shift before doing all that and thus resetting all his/her CDs and health… :p

WHERE DOES IT STOP!

tetrodoxin.2134:

Shiki.7148:

keenlam.4753:

Xaylin.1860:

keenlam.4753:

Fully traited Death’s Charge vs fully traited Phase Retreat. The chase is on.

Reaper: Your soul is….
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is…
Mesmer: Nope!
Reaper: Your soul is … … !!!
Mesmer: Nope!

Awww… glorious.

Lol
Meanwhile, in another match:

Reaper: “YOUR SOUL IS ….”
Mesmer -interrrupted and stunned the reaper-
Reaper: “YOU ARE ALL WEAKLINGS!” – breaking stun and feeling strong with 10+ stacks of might-
Mesmer: Thank you for that! -stole the boons with AT-
Reaper: Wait? What? Oh no, you can’t have those boons. “NOTHING CAN S…!”
Mesmer -interrupted again, then blew the reaper up with shatters-

Mesmer: Sigh, I really hate it when people yell at me! -walked away in slow motion-

;)

Edited: btw, I’m sure this thread is just meant to be a tease so please dont be so hostile towards OP. I’d prefer to save it for thief specialization, I’m sure there will be nothing short of broken OP-ness.

And then you realize the Necro popped Infusion of Terror before doing all that and thus had stability.. and Mesmer will be like “Wait WHAT, Stab on a Nec-dead”

(joking of course… Chronos and Reapers should ally! Quickness on Reaper looks so fun )

Then you realize Mesmer popped Continuum Shift before doing all that and thus resetting all his/her CDs and health… :p

WHERE DOES IT STOP!

Not here : Then you realize Reaper cleaves in 170-300 range and thus murdered the continuum shift by spin to winning after the Mes…

;)

Activate Shift => Blink 1200 range towards Necro => Problem solved? :0