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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

I’m starting a new thread for this in order for the title to actually represent what is in the thread.
I’m making a massive guide which will take you from a mesmer PvP newbie to a decent player. I will cover a lot of things in the guide. Dealing with thieves, positioning, role within your team, kiting, CD management, coordinating with your team, 1v1 matchups ect.
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1. Soloq CommentaryAimed at just showing the playstyle/mentality and as a sort of an intro into the series. I was a bit sick so my voice is a bit off. I’m making more mistakes than I’m mentioning because I had an idea of some sort of an assignment that would involve identifying them on your own but I dropped the idea.

EDIT: Removed phase retreat video as I felt like it was done very poorly, even compared to the other videos.

2. Kiting, Positioning, Cooldown ManagementI will talk about the basics of kiting, positioning and CD management. I left quite a few loose ends so you can expand upon the ideas yourself. Click here if you can not view the video on youtube.

3. Staff or Sword Torch?I talk about the basic differences between staff and sword torch so you know what to run and when. I also cover some different trait, sigil and rune options.



Please, any tips to improve my videos, any topics you want me to cover, feedback on previous videos ect I’d love to hear! Shoot me a message in game, post it here or send me a PM on forums.
Have a wonderful rest of your day, happy shattering!
Much love,

J

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Posted by: jenzie.4083

jenzie.4083

Thank you! I really appreciate this, trying to learn spvp and take the step out from the training arena.

Edit:
I see you’re really fluent with the forward phase shift, how do you do it? reverse key/PR/reverse? or do you use the mouse? Any tips, I often miss the last reverse for some kitten reason so I run back.. lol

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

I will make a quick guide for it today (I’ll still put out the cd management guide up to Sunday). It’s really, really simple and can do wonders for you. Just takes a bit of practice.

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Posted by: Benjamin.8237

Benjamin.8237

Thank you! I really appreciate this, trying to learn spvp and take the step out from the training arena.

Edit:
I see you’re really fluent with the forward phase shift, how do you do it? reverse key/PR/reverse? or do you use the mouse? Any tips, I often miss the last reverse for some kitten reason so I run back.. lol

It is exactly as you said, just make sure you do it without a target. Over time it becomes easier to pull off and if you have decent internet it will be flawless.

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I forgot to answer the question in written form lol, sorry about that, yeah, exactly as Ben said. I’m encoding the video right now. I tried adding music to the video this time, hope you guys will like it.

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Posted by: jenzie.4083

jenzie.4083

Thank you! I really appreciate this, trying to learn spvp and take the step out from the training arena.

Edit:
I see you’re really fluent with the forward phase shift, how do you do it? reverse key/PR/reverse? or do you use the mouse? Any tips, I often miss the last reverse for some kitten reason so I run back.. lol

It is exactly as you said, just make sure you do it without a target. Over time it becomes easier to pull off and if you have decent internet it will be flawless.

Thanks both of you! I guess I gotta keep practicing it, lots of practice opportunities in WvW
Internet is very good so I can’t blame that..

Is the goal to press them in order as fast as possible or will I PR in the wrong direction if I press to soon after? What’s the correct rytm?:
A) R-PR-R
B) R—PR—R
C) R—PR-R?
D) “Dude what are you talking about, just practice it.”

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I’d say it’s def a fast motion, but you don’t press it as fast as possible, don’t think about it as a sequence that you press. Think about it as if you turn around, port, turn back. Try practicing it slowly and then speed it up. To me, the pauses between each key are the same.

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Jurica.1742

New video is up.

J

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

I do it kinda odd. I hit about face twice and during the second press I hit phase retreat at the exact same time. (Its at 8:53 if it doesn’t automatically bring you to that point)

Jurica this is good stuff, plz keep it up! Gonna add it to the Grimoire along with Ross’s PvP primer.

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Posted by: Shintei.9061

Shintei.9061

Thank you! I really appreciate this, trying to learn spvp and take the step out from the training arena.

Edit:
I see you’re really fluent with the forward phase shift, how do you do it? reverse key/PR/reverse? or do you use the mouse? Any tips, I often miss the last reverse for some kitten reason so I run back.. lol

It is exactly as you said, just make sure you do it without a target. Over time it becomes easier to pull off and if you have decent internet it will be flawless.

Thanks both of you! I guess I gotta keep practicing it, lots of practice opportunities in WvW
Internet is very good so I can’t blame that..

Is the goal to press them in order as fast as possible or will I PR in the wrong direction if I press to soon after? What’s the correct rytm?:
A) R-PR-R
B) R—PR—R
C) R—PR-R?
D) “Dude what are you talking about, just practice it.”

I’m sure it’s not A, B or C
try aboutFace-PR———aboutFace2
if aboutface2 is pressed too early, you don’t turn back to the front

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

Your looks funky as kitten, almost like you spin like crazy and just port

I know of one more way to do it, put in a dodge. about face, dodge, phase retreat, about face, I’ve heard that you can put in yet another dodge at the end.
I haven’t pulled it off yet, but it’s supposed to look real cool.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

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I apologize but I will not put the guide out tomorrow. I was planning on finishing gathering footage and editing it today but my internet is so friggin horrible it’s unreal. 2 second lag on everything I do in game, takes like 20 seconds to load forums up ect. I will try to make it but it will most likely be out next week, and probably a littler later in the week as school will start and I’ve got 3 exams right in the first week :/

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

Got all the footage, editing now, will upload tomorrow!

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Jurica.1742

Okay, I’ve added the video to the library, it should air in an hour and a half. EDIT: It’s up!

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Posted by: Benjamin.8237

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Newer players should definitely check this out.

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Posted by: alvarez.3159

alvarez.3159

Would love to watch it to give a little bit of feedback, but I can’t even manage with a proxy. Thanks Germany.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

I got a notice that it’s blocked in some coutries because of the music. I guess I’ll have to choose music more carefully next time. I’ll put up a download link today.

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

I got a notice that it’s blocked in some coutries because of the music. I guess I’ll have to choose music more carefully next time. I’ll put up a download link today.

You might find that no or few people from those countries will ever try to watch it. That said, the only way to avoid this is no music or free music.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

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I added a link to view it from Google Drive, set it to that you don’t have to be logged into google to view it.

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Posted by: alvarez.3159

alvarez.3159

Thanks for that!
I liked it, it would’ve been of course better to use actual gameplay scenarios for a kiting example, although I have to admit that those are probably hard to find. A guardian trying to autoattack with a hammer isn’t exactly what you will find in a real match

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Posted by: jenzie.4083

jenzie.4083

Hey, forgot to thank you for the vid! Great stuff, thanks.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

Yeah, I did a commentary on the kiting part but I removed it as it was even more dull than the rest of the video (I sorta filmed everything at night so I had to be quiet).
I got him to AA only because I was talking at the same time as playing. usually you would do the same thing, just walk around those spots and dodge the immobilize, the knockback and the burst from hammer 5 . It is def. much harder in an actual match but it gets the idea across. It will allow you to survive using low amounts of cooldowns against average damage, when you’re not being focused too hard, for actual focus you do the kiting and use cooldowns to help yourself kite easily as it’s much harder when you’re focused (possible immo, chill, cripple ect). Go to Helseths stream and watch some gameplay of his, you can see kiting there and he does it the best in my opinion.
Also his kiting guide will show you a ton of spots on foefire which I left for you to find because in my opinion it’s better if you find them yourself but if you don’t have the spark to go and do so, his guide will hopefully give it to you, I know it did to me. You can find the video in my shatter build written guide (which only talks about the traits ect) There are still a lot of them on Foefire that he didn’t show, try to look for them. I’ve also got a video where I 1v1 uboot to show off the power of staff clones against DPS guard but that will be for the class specific videos (I’ll probably do 1 video per class)

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

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Which topic would you guys like to see in the next video?

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Posted by: Shintei.9061

Shintei.9061

Which topic would you guys like to see in the next video?

against thieves

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

Fighting them or working with them? I could try doing both.

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Posted by: Shintei.9061

Shintei.9061

fighting against them, but working with them will also be great.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

Well I got a bad flu this Saturday and it just won’t get outta my system so the video will be later.. I’m sorry about that.

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Okay, I’m no longer ill so I will put the video out by Sunday. Haven’t got school anymore due to various things so I can take the time to make the video.
Here’s whats gonna be included:

Working with thieves
How you should be on the map relative to the thief
Mes/thief synergy – why is it so good?
In game examples of synergy (gonna get some more footage of a friend and I playing together, hopefully we’ll get some sweet plays down)
Peeling for thieves

Dealing with thieves
How to survive as long as possible
Peeling 101
Quick 1v1 matchup tutorial

Anything else you guys would be interested in seeing?

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Posted by: Exciton.8942

Exciton.8942

I am very interested to know a few tips of fighting fellow shatter mesmer players using gs/staff, especially in the non-mirror against those using sword+x.

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I will be doing class specific matchups, but a bit later on down the road.

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I’ve not uploaded the video yet since I’m not happy with the footage.. I’ll keep gathering it and when I will be happy, I’ll upload it. In the meantime, I’ll do a video on staff + gs vs. gs + sw/t as I’ve started to use sw/t a lot now and enjoy it, still don’t know it well but I’ve gotten a good idea over the past week. I know a lot of people can’t decide what to play.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

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A bit of a bump. I got a bit lazy so after my cold I just completely stopped doing anything guide wise. I will put out a sw/t vs staff guide by next Sunday.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

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Well, I ordered a new high quality microphone two weeks ago and I was planning on making the video with it but it still hasn’t arrived
Do you guys still want the video this weekend or do I postpone it for next week?

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Posted by: Mak.2657

Mak.2657

I think nobody hurry up you. Make it when you feel rdy

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

Okay I started uploading my new video – Staff vs Sword Torch + general customization options with shatter mesmer.
I won’t be home to tell you guys when it comes on but it will air on my channel in 1 or two hours from now.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

Jurica.1742

I just rewatched the video after coming home and I need to pay attention to how I pronounce words more.

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Posted by: Bertrand.3057

Bertrand.3057

Sweet, nice to see it up! I haven’t thought too much about picking up Sword/Torch. I still think I should continue working on my Staff play, but maybe some second thoughts now.

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Posted by: jportell.2197

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Jurica, Can’t watch the kiting video. Blocked because of youtube copyright issues.

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Posted by: Jurica.1742

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There is an alternative link in the first post of the thread so you can watch it on google +.

@Bert I used to be a big staff fanboy (EDIT: This sounds REALLY wrong hahah) and was only staff. It’s really nice to learn how to play properly to teach you that you need to keep your distance all the time. I think overall if you wanna choose 1 weapon you should choose staff as things are right now but I still do suggest that you try sword torch out. If you’ll need any help, I’m always open to helping you out in game!

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I’ve now edited my kiting positioning cd management video thing so you guys can also see it on youtube. Part of the audio will be muted but thankfully the one that is going to end up being muted is the one where you’ll just watch me kite and where you’ll be seeing the positioning spots which I didn’t talk over as-is.

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