Guild Wars 2

…Did my post just break the thread? Does this post fix it? Argh.

So i use a torment build in WvW when i am feeling like being a kitten i use 2 builds that are very much the same.

This is a shatter build.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhIQNArfWlknpVtdqxBNcrNCuBdyYUDU/jhcySGgfB-TVzCABAckAO+UAAo+gX0wYgJGsUSw8+DNpEzT1fY4AIklyhpfgBjpEMAACwMLzycmBMzZOzQKAIWWB-w

This is more of a Clone uptime build use clones to keep up the Conditions while you go in for the Block to hit with a lot of Torment.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhIQNArfWlknpVtdqxBNcrNSpBdyrsFUXm00USGgKA-TVzCABAckAO+UAAo+gX0wYgJGsUSw8+DNpEzT1fY4AIklyhpfgBjpEMAACwMLzycmBMzZOzQKAIWWB-w

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7alknpMtdqxUNMrNCuBZyJECU/jhcySGgfB-TZBBwAAeIAC3fIcZgJXAgMHBAA

This is the set up i’ve had the most success on.

Fury on Phants allows iDuel to stack up some bleeds before you blow it up

IE also applies to pistol 5 for some extra mayhem in group fights plus the Stun helps land shatters.

I threw in the chill Sigil for some extra condition trolling, it can throw off some rotations or atleast slow an opponent down.

Sigil of Doom to throw in poison to screw with heal spammers and cover it with confusion/torment

Its very much a support/troll build. I dont recommend attempting to Solo cap far or even Mid. Extremely strong against a lot of classes and builds in a 1v1 but it falls apart quickly in a 2v1 or against anyone who has Slow attacks, long attack chains, doesn’t need to move much, has passive and mass/spam condition clears.

If CD isnt your thing i would also recommend BI or MoA for the chaos master trait, both are solid choices and can really screw with some classes.

Manipulation Range increase is also a good option if you dont take Phant Fury in dueling.

As I stated last night while barely awake.. This type of build suffers from the same issues a Spike Shatter build does. Mostly ending up with all but 20 trait points tied up to play with.

It means thieves are an issue so if you get competitive you need someone to run with to save your kitten and really help the build work.

Limited Burst on this build means any fight you start or end up in, your goal is to make it quickly tilt in your favor and then draw it out. Only stupid players on the right classes (D/D ele’s specifically) will manage to spam/run themselves to death in a few seconds.

Hambows are an issue.. but they’re pretty much an issue for any build if you aren’t ready for them.

Did i mention Thieves?

Anyway, It can be a fun build but dont expect to ever get a ton of mileage off of it in the grand scheme of things. It doesn’t fill any roles that arent already filled in the competitive scene and it’s not a zerg mower for WvW. It doesn’t hit as hard as a typical IP shatter build and its not as cheese as PU.

Play it for fun, i dont recommend trying to force Maim into the Meta.. Its just not going to work in the game as it is right now.

Veruah.5302:

I think we can probably keep mesmer theorycrafting rather civil, ladies and gents.

Anyhow, I have played a little bit with the build I posted above with a few minor alterations between matches. Here’s what I have to report:

1. As stated by Chaos above it really needs crit chance. This is the single largest glaring hole in the build and I am not for sure how to accurately fix it, or if it is even possible. I am open to any suggestions.
2. I actually really like Moa for this. I mostly use it on professions I think will have great condi cleanse and it shuts them down really, really fast. Stacked torment and confusion through scepter skills and a shatter just melt them.
3. You are quite glassy if you try to actually facetank people. Staff offers good mobility and the double block setup can let your survive long enough to get several good condi ticks in, but when the hits actually land they land hard. The mobile nature of the defense in this build made it hard for me to really hold down or capture points vs more than 1 enemy, but if I had a friendly with me I felt like I was a great asset.
4. Trait changes: dropped Compounding Power for longer Confusion duration at times. I don’t really have a strong opinion on if one is clearly better than the other at this time. I also had good success with dropping Deceptive Evasion for Retaliatory Shield. While it goes against almost every build relying on shatters to not have DE, I never really felt like I lacked illusions to feed to my shatters. Whenever an offensive shatter was up in combat I almost always had at least two illusions ready and could easily produce the third with a weapon or utility skill.
5. I tried all of the different heal skills and I think I agree with Chaos – Mantra is not the way to go. The tried and true Ether Feast seems to just be straight up better.

Would love to hear how everyone else’s build is holding up!

Were you using that torment build earlier?

Yep! I think I may have had Undead runes on though and I think I was using Deceptive Evasion and not the shield.

I’m still not a great player at all though. So I still get face rolled in a lot of
2v1s or against thieves and some warriors.

Swish.2463:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7alknpMtdqxUNMrNCuBZyJECU/jhcySGgfB-TZBBwAAeIAC3fIcZgJXAgMHBAA

This is the set up i’ve had the most success on.

Fury on Phants allows iDuel to stack up some bleeds before you blow it up

IE also applies to pistol 5 for some extra mayhem in group fights plus the Stun helps land shatters.

I threw in the chill Sigil for some extra condition trolling, it can throw off some rotations or atleast slow an opponent down.

Sigil of Doom to throw in poison to screw with heal spammers and cover it with confusion/torment

Its very much a support/troll build. I dont recommend attempting to Solo cap far or even Mid. Extremely strong against a lot of classes and builds in a 1v1 but it falls apart quickly in a 2v1 or against anyone who has Slow attacks, long attack chains, doesn’t need to move much, has passive and mass/spam condition clears.

If CD isnt your thing i would also recommend BI or MoA for the chaos master trait, both are solid choices and can really screw with some classes.

Manipulation Range increase is also a good option if you dont take Phant Fury in dueling.

As I stated last night while barely awake.. This type of build suffers from the same issues a Spike Shatter build does. Mostly ending up with all but 20 trait points tied up to play with.

It means thieves are an issue so if you get competitive you need someone to run with to save your kitten and really help the build work.

Limited Burst on this build means any fight you start or end up in, your goal is to make it quickly tilt in your favor and then draw it out. Only stupid players on the right classes (D/D ele’s specifically) will manage to spam/run themselves to death in a few seconds.

Hambows are an issue.. but they’re pretty much an issue for any build if you aren’t ready for them.

Did i mention Thieves?

Anyway, It can be a fun build but dont expect to ever get a ton of mileage off of it in the grand scheme of things. It doesn’t fill any roles that arent already filled in the competitive scene and it’s not a zerg mower for WvW. It doesn’t hit as hard as a typical IP shatter build and its not as cheese as PU.

Play it for fun, i dont recommend trying to force Maim into the Meta.. Its just not going to work in the game as it is right now.

I used that build,just changed IE to PH for to have as much as iduelist as possible(main source of bleed),and changed the sigil of accruacy on pistol to sigil of earth(extra bleed) and the rune set is lyssa.

Normally run power shatter but like to run this for hotjoin/soloq to break it up a little. Just a couple changes to osicats power build, makes it so i can change quickly if needed.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7flknpQttpxMNUrNCrBh6rkmfSyBEgSmhrB-TJRHwAw2fIZZABXEAAPBAA

Well, after doing quite a bit of research it looks like the original thoughts on Maimed are pretty true.

Maimed needs a buff to be worth picking over other options

Maybe an extra torment stack, maybe a secondary condition, but as it stands currently any build that takes maimed, be it power condition or hybrid would be more effective taking another trait in it’s place. Unfortunately, the trait simply just isn’t strong enough to compete with other grandmasters or to forge a build around.

Still, this was a pretty cool experiment that got a lot of discussion and thought-provoking going on. A big thanks to everyone involved!

I love this thread. No QQ, just mesmers working together to make good builds and try to explore and make viable some of out newest GMs. I’m pretty disillusioned (haha) about mesmer at the moment, but it’s threads like this that keep me feeling good about our profession

Good work everyone!

sirrealist.1360:

I love this thread. No QQ, just mesmers working together to make good builds and try to explore and make viable some of out newest GMs. I’m pretty disillusioned (haha) about mesmer at the moment, but it’s threads like this that keep me feeling good about our profession

Good work everyone!

hey its fun to make bad builds and play them.

loseridoit.2756:

sirrealist.1360:

I love this thread. No QQ, just mesmers working together to make good builds and try to explore and make viable some of out newest GMs. I’m pretty disillusioned (haha) about mesmer at the moment, but it’s threads like this that keep me feeling good about our profession

Good work everyone!

hey its fun to make bad builds and play them.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not… but yeah, sometimes it is