Guild Wars 2

hey guys, im recently getting back into my mesmer, and was thinking about something like this build here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAraWl0zqqHTTkGbNJh5D9+kCoLdUKue1LfA3A-j0xA0HAqEYevIasdiioxqZwUrER1OkioVLEwi1A-w

let me know what yall think of it, if its bad or something, give some feedback (hur hur hur)

my friend notified me to take out 5 points in chaos and put that into illusions for celerity what do yall think about it? im thinking its probably a good investment myself.

why all the healing gear? i think that wouldnt be that useful. It kind of looks like you want a condition build – that correct?

yeah, i want to be tanky so i dont get steamrolled with conditions, mostly bleeds and confusion. the healing gear is there so i can have sustain when my heal is on cd. was thinking just going rabid or something else, not too sure yet.

I would go with Toughness (aka Rabid/Rampagers) rather then healing. Myabe go with Superior Generosity rune as well?

The Scepter Trait isnt required at all for a condition build

I cant view thr build on the link, as im limited to mobile for a while.

This part confuses me though:

the healing gear is there so i can have sustain when my heal is on cd.

Dont you mean toughness? Healing power wont do anything if youre not healing :P.

What do you want to do with this build? If its pvp and youre new to mesmer, i recommend trying some Spvp first. Its free to change build etc. as a mesmer youre really not supposed to take many hits, unless youre specced for it, in which case youll lose out on damage. losing damage isnt nescesary a problem, unless you plan to do serious wvw/solo roaming or something.

Care to tell me your build here in chat : D? If not, thats ok.

His build is:

Dueling(15): II
Chaos(15): IV
Inspiration(20) : IV, VII
Illusions(20): V, IX

Personally i dont see any point in the 20points in Inspiration Minus the condition removal on heal, +200condition damage with scepter isnt needed as you can hit 1400 without it.

Master of Misdirection is wasted as well taking no other traits, runes or anything that benefits Confusion which are pretty much a requirement to make confusion worthwhile.

Blinding Befuddlement, again not really worth it – if taking it i would be going with Perplexity runes, Confusing Combatants and such maybe even Torch in the right situation. The 2 traits on there own without Perplexity just isnt worth it.

My Build

Domination(10) : V
Dueling(25): II, X
Chaos(15): V
Inspiration(0)
Illusions(20): II, V

Runes: 6/6 Perplexity (when duration bug is fixed)
Sigils: Poison on Staff and Scepter, Corruption on Offhand(might change)
Stats: Rabid/Rampager’s

I havent decided the actual weapons and considering changing the 10 in Illusions as with Food, Rune, Givers weapons i could hit <100% Confusion Duration and thats if i remove Master of Misdirection, currently its like 133% Confusion Duration but seeing as it doesnt go past 100% its wasted, taking 2 Givers weapons will mean that i am still over the 100% but increase other condition duration by 20%

Holy healing power batman! I do approve of your use of Mirror though. It never gets old when you down someone with a heal.

Other things to note are that your sigils will compete for CD dominance, Sharper Images will need more precision, and Blinding Beffudlement is a dead trait.

i want to be able to wvw with the build, as im world completing on it cause im at like 84% (so close) also, ive wanted to play mes for a while, but i just couldnt get the hang of it, its very different from what im used to (was playing engineer before this, and i got this to 80 and went straight to ranger XD) thanks for the feedback (lol that can get used all day XD) ill definatley look into those new runes for confuseion, and atm in spvp, im running rabid amulet with the undead runes, the toughness ones, and im doing ok, conditions are still a problem, so is the stupid skull crack build. i changed the above build to

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15: II
10: IV
20: IV, VII
25: V, X

and im using a sword/torch, scepter/pistol with the same utilities.

before i mentioned the sustain while my heal was off cd, i was talking about the regen i would get from my health dropping to 75% and the regen from my phantasms, not sure how well regen is for mesmer.
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here is the revision http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQRAra8fl0zqqHTTkGbNJhpC9+kCoLd0Mue1LfA3A-jEyA0nARhgpSg5wiox2JKiGrmBTtSEV7QKiWtQALWDA-w

and thank you all for being nice, instead of the alternitive XD

For a condition build Staff is a MUST.

i see, ill have to hit the paper again and see what i can do, also how do you deal with stuns, like mace/warhammer?

Phase Retreat(Staff), Decoy and Mirror Images. Worst comes to worst, i use iCounter, hit them with Torment (great condition!) a few Stuns with Pistol 5, Staff #5 and have several utilities and still have Mass Invis. Though you should be keeping distance, sing Phase Retreat for distance maker and clone creator, using stealth to confuse them and such

Hello scribbles, I hope you have fun playing mesmer.

You have 15 points in dueling with a crit chance of only % 25, so you will need to decide if critting to bleed is something you really want to do. If so your crit chance neexs to go up.

Do not feel obligated to go 15 into choas for the protection it doesn’t last nor occur enough to be worth it on its own. Its only really good if you’re using it as part if a layering process. You do have two sources of chaos armor which is nice, but since getting protection from that is not guaranteed, I dont feel you ‘need’ that 15 trait.

I think they gave blinding befuddlement a 5 second cooldown? (Someone will correct me if I’m wrong). You’ll barely get anything out of that witb your two available chaos armors and you don’t want to use scepter 2’s alternate line attack as the block and torment damage is vastly superior. I would suggest changing it or dumping the points.

I’m not a wvw guy but I think taking feedback is somewhat questionable. If you took that thinking you wanted a little more team support then try and see if you like the results. It will also provide you witb another chaos armor from time to time. If its for personal use mimic might work better for you if reflection is what you’re after, although it might have reduced value in a setup with low DD output. If anything that spot in your utility bar is the most fluid one IMO.

The rest of it just try and see if it works for you.

Gl n hf

djtool.8372:

I’m not a wvw guy but I think taking feedback is somewhat questionable.

feedback ROCKS in WvW can be combined with the trait for Confusion on entering and exiting glam field and i just love seeing people nuke themselves into death lol

I mostly use it when attacking/defending tower and keep

thanks for the more feedback XD here is the newly revised build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAraWl0zqqHTTkGbNJhpC9+UBoj6x1r+3LpA35G-j0xA0HAqEYOsIasdiioxqZwUrER1OkioVLEwi1A-w

i ditched the scepter trait like yall said, and opted for the shatter effect on myself, so i can invuln and stun things with no clones up if that should happen, and i decided to test out the discipline trait, stacking with the 20% reduced cool down, i looked at the tool tip and it didnt update with both of them, but if you use the skill it goes down to 12 like it should so i picked those up in place of the extra 10 points into inspiration. and i switched back to the staff like suggested. do yall see good ammounts of daze from chaos storm? because when ever i use it they either seem to just get out of the fire, or they dont get dazed at all, im thinking its best used for protecting clones and junk :/

at the moment, i use feedback in conjunction with my duelist, i summon the duelist first and just as it starts to shoot i throw down the feedback, its also pretty nice to shield myself from those kitten ed ranged attacks, also useful for kill shot, and thieves.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

For a condition build Staff is a MUST.

Ugh… I always feel like I have to dump 20 into Illusions for Illusionary Elasticity when I go condition with a Staff. That and Staff attacks are sooooo slooow. Makes me feel like I’m playing a version of Pong.

Helios.3598:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

For a condition build Staff is a MUST.

Ugh… I always feel like I have to dump 20 into Illusions for Illusionary Elasticity when I go condition with a Staff. That and Staff attacks are sooooo slooow. Makes me feel like I’m playing a version of Pong.

I agree it is slow, the Phantasm rocks when they are stacked with conditions, AoE Daze/interrupt = more confusion, Phase retreat for range maker and clone, Chaos Armor does kinda suck since nerf the clones inflicting conditions is GREAT for condition build as well

Scribbles.3974:

thanks for the more feedback XD here is the newly revised build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAraWl0zqqHTTkGbNJhpC9+UBoj6x1r+3LpA35G-j0xA0HAqEYOsIasdiioxqZwUrER1OkioVLEwi1A-w

i ditched the scepter trait like yall said, and opted for the shatter effect on myself, so i can invuln and stun things with no clones up if that should happen, and i decided to test out the discipline trait, stacking with the 20% reduced cool down, i looked at the tool tip and it didnt update with both of them, but if you use the skill it goes down to 12 like it should so i picked those up in place of the extra 10 points into inspiration. and i switched back to the staff like suggested. do yall see good ammounts of daze from chaos storm? because when ever i use it they either seem to just get out of the fire, or they dont get dazed at all, im thinking its best used for protecting clones and junk :/

at the moment, i use feedback in conjunction with my duelist, i summon the duelist first and just as it starts to shoot i throw down the feedback, its also pretty nice to shield myself from those kitten ed ranged attacks, also useful for kill shot, and thieves.

Dont go into Illusions so high 10-20 points is the only point for a Condition build, taking IR for the Retal when using CoF and the longer Confusion (if you dont have Perplexity runes) is really the only point to go into as the rest is to much Shatter/Phantom orientated imo. Replace Chaos IV with Chaos V for more conditions.

Theres not really a point in taking the sceptet cooldown trait, you generally want to avoid auto attacking with a scepter at all costs (…unless the alternative is doing nothing).

I would ditch the healing power gear, healing power is really only for mesmer if you want to actively spec for healing people, in my oppinion.

If you want to stay as close to your current traits and gear (direct danage, without healing power) you can try traiting shatter! 0/20/20/0/30 has high survivability with staff cooldowns and high burst with shatters. A condition build would be 0/20/20/0/0, you can use 30 chaos for survivability through stealth or 25 illusions for celerity.

Alissah.9281:

Theres not really a point in taking the sceptet cooldown trait, you generally want to avoid auto attacking with a scepter at all costs (…unless the alternative is doing nothing).

Disagree, other then the fact its mind numbingly slow the On death traits can be quite useful. Cripple, Confusion and a random condition is quite nice.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Alissah.9281:

Theres not really a point in taking the sceptet cooldown trait, you generally want to avoid auto attacking with a scepter at all costs (…unless the alternative is doing nothing).

Disagree, other then the fact its mind numbingly slow the On death traits can be quite useful. Cripple, Confusion and a random condition is quite nice.

On death traits are really awesome, no argument there.

Deceptive evasion+on death traits… /drool

Alissah.9281:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Alissah.9281:

Theres not really a point in taking the sceptet cooldown trait, you generally want to avoid auto attacking with a scepter at all costs (…unless the alternative is doing nothing).

Disagree, other then the fact its mind numbingly slow the On death traits can be quite useful. Cripple, Confusion and a random condition is quite nice.

On death traits are really awesome, no argument there.

Deceptive evasion+on death traits… /drool

My build takes them all (i think) Cripple, Confusion and Random Condition..wish there were more lol DE is a must as well of course hahaha

You don’t have to take staff for a condition damage build. Heck the GS clones will stack more bleeds with zero risk of pulling a vulnerability stack. So long as you have the crit% to do it.

he wasn’t going the glamour route, I get ya though. that was why I was wondering if he was taking it for team reasons or personal.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

djtool.8372:

I’m not a wvw guy but I think taking feedback is somewhat questionable.

feedback ROCKS in WvW can be combined with the trait for Confusion on entering and exiting glam field and i just love seeing people nuke themselves into death lol

I mostly use it when attacking/defending tower and keep

i see, was just playing some spvp with my friends, and i kept getting focused so hard :/ made me start to loose hope haha, but then i was getting some great combos, one warrior used hundred blades on me with 15+ stacks of confusion XD its kind of lacking in the survival department, im dont know if its just me as a bad mesmer, or if im doing/traiting wrong or something, im also thinking this build is more for wvw than spvp, cause in spvp everyone just brings either glass cannon or stupid ammounts of cc….like warriors…..

my personal opinion scribbles but I think you’ve reached the point with your build where you should just play and start establishing your own identity.

good luck sir.

djtool.8372:

You don’t have to take staff for a condition damage build. Heck the GS clones will stack more bleeds with zero risk of pulling a vulnerability stack. So long as you have the crit% to do it.

he wasn’t going the glamour route, I get ya though. that was why I was wondering if he was taking it for team reasons or personal.

Bleeds arent the ONLY condition in the game.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

For a condition build Staff is a MUST.

You’re so wrong it’s not funny.

Non staff with rabid gear focus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtYA8N-aZ-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJ5FyxSJos

Condi duration hybrid build
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBAoHndv-I

Just watch the targets condition bar.

A month old video against terrible players doesnt make you right.

Well it doesn’t make him wrong either.

Anyway, just reading the thread now for the 1st time, I came down here to agree wholeheartedly that staff is not essential for a condition build. Staff is indeed one of the best ways to condition with a mez, but certainly not the only viable way or what I would consider a “must”. I’ve actually found that if you take staff out of the equation for condi builds, your build diversity kind of opens up in front of you. You actually get to use the Chaos line traits w/out staff … a whole new world there.

One other thing to the OP – healing power isn’t all that bad in a condition build. There are ample gear sets to support this and one build in particular that shines with is it Varconi’s. Check it out if you haven’t:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/BUILD-Condition-build-for-roaming-WvW

@ArmageddonAsh – showing the video for the healing aspects, not the fact he uses Staff :-P

well thanks for all the replies. yall helped a lot.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

A month old video against terrible players doesnt make you right.

How good or bad a player is makes no different to the application consistency or frequency of conditions, relatively speaking.

How old a video is is irrelevant unless you can demonstrate some sort of major changes in that time that somehow altered condition application with said class or build.

A correct argument you should have made was “A month old video against bad players doesn’t falsify my statement that staff is a MUST for condition mesmers”, though, as demonstrated, you’d be wrong.

djtool.8372:

my personal opinion scribbles but I think you’ve reached the point with your build where you should just play and start establishing your own identity.

good luck sir.

Quoted for truth.

Also, decoy and blink are amazing for personal survival in pvp for all builds :P

djtool.8372:

my personal opinion scribbles but I think you’ve reached the point with your build where you should just play and start establishing your own identity.

good luck sir.

Yeah, go into the Mists, play around with the skills, weapons and traits and see what takes your fancy. From their you can make tweaks to better suit your gameplay style.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Bleeds arent the ONLY condition in the game.

no but you’re 50/50 on scoring a burn with winds of chaos so…pick your poison I guess. I always suggest people play with what they think is cool or what works for them anyways. Its just a game, even if you want to win.

although you can score some really awesome confusion stacks with chaos armor and blinding befud……..oh yeah, nm <cry>

djtool.8372:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Bleeds arent the ONLY condition in the game.

no but you’re 50/50 on scoring a burn with winds of chaos so…pick your poison I guess. I always suggest people play with what they think is cool or what works for them anyways. Its just a game, even if you want to win.

although you can score some really awesome confusion stacks with chaos armor and blinding befud……..oh yeah, nm <cry>

I guess its just me, i would take a more varied condition selection (Staff) then go with 1 condition as its harder to remove a selection of conditions then it is to remove 1 high stack of a condition