Guild Wars 2

As reported in this Reddit thread by several players and this Youtube video, Chronomancers can stack alacrity for very long durations on allies and themselves, if not forever. Given the very strong bonus alacrity brings, this seems like an overpowered mechanic. In regard to the recent WHAO nerf for rangers, it seems obvious that alacrity stacking should also be nerfed.

It seems reasonable to expect a maximum alacrity uptime similar to quickness uptime.

No.

15 chars.

Aura should not stack at all!
Aura have to only renew itself… Same as supperspeed.

Too strong for what? What are you worried about? Seriously?

Gilgalas.7860:

It seems reasonable to expect a maximum alacrity uptime similar to quickness uptime.

Alacrity support is already rather low. 5s from a well, and 2s from all wells with a trait. Yes you can achieve ~100% uptime but then you’re not exactly doing much but providing alacrity.

Isn’t that a … sensible build? Quickness can be kept up, too. No one seems to mind that one.

“I’m salty that Rangers got nerfed so lets nerf Mesmer too”

If alacrity uptime was like Quickness it’d be useless… They’re nothing alike.

And dude.. how about you TRY it before you call for nerfs and see how “overpowered” it actually is to manage keep Alacrity on allies, especially in PvP.

Those tests do not seem to reflect real fight situations, when you are moving around and using other skills. Most of the time you’ll get just a couple seconds of alacrity, which is barely noticiable. Also you give up many of your dps production when you focus your build on producing alacrity. In my experience, alacrity is far from being OP.

We can achieve high numbers on Alacrity if we devote our entire utility to doing just that. Even in the video the player burned up both Mimic and Rift for refresh on cooldowns (Note that Rift was at max duration from pre-summoned illusions).

The problem with focusing on “Alacrity builds”? There’s not much else that a Chrono will be able to do. So that means no blinks, portals, stealth, mantras, etc. Like everything else Wells are just another tool in our box. Can we stack Alacrity like crazy? Absolutely! Is that viable in every fight? I don’t think so. In real time illusions gets destroyed (for use for extended rift), we get knocked around or have to reposition ourselves out of our Wells, and we may occasionally go down (I have yet to find a Well on my down skills).

And the end of the day players are free to choose what kind of Mesmer they want to build. If they want to go full Wells for high Alacrity uptime, good for them. As far as I’m concerned, I’m gonna worry more about what my team needs from me first before I try to show off my new Purple/Pink Super Saiyan.

I have been running a Chrono for a little while now.

IF you can keep a 100% up time for alacrity, you will not be doing much else, including dodging (not for the purpose of DE) and/or positioning. And you and others also have to stand in the Wells to benefit it. So you yourself are often in harm’s way while not doing much else.

So, yes, your skills will be recharging really fast but you will not have the time to translate that into any meaningful damage; your teammates however can. But that is precisely the point of alacrity. It is noting OP about it.

Chronomancer is relatively perfect comparing to all other elites.

As a dedicated Ranger, ignore the OP, his salty views do not reflect those of the rest of the Ranger forum. We need to focus on stopping our own profession being stealth-nerfed, not worry about what others are doing.

If permanent alacrity was that strong, then top mesmers would be running it in tournaments. Not only is it not that strong (nor even reasonably possible to do as you suggested), but those top mesmers spent much of their time dead, attesting to the comparative strength of other elite specs.

Go whine somewhere else, or at least put some effort in next time. I need to go take a shower after reading this op.

Gilgalas.7860:

It seems reasonable to expect a maximum alacrity uptime similar to quickness uptime.

:channels Pyro:
Wish granted! Alacrity uptime is now harder to maintain than quickness uptime!
That was easy.

Salty ranger.

The Chrono traitline is almost entirely focused on speeding up/slowing down gameplay, almost entirely quality of life benefits and the only defence comes from boosting skill cooldowns and cast times to have defensive skills available more frequently. There’s no passive stability, protection, aegis or any other number of random boons, conditions, condition removals, heals, and so on that are thrown around like sweets in the game. The trait line is very focused and has tradeoffs at every tier.

Simply taking Chrono is a big sacrifice for us in terms of trying to choose which two other core trait lines can fit, especially given many build’s reliance on Deceptive Evasion, all good Condi cleanse and support in Inspiration, all the good boons/defensive utilities in Chaos, all power builds pretty much requiring Domination and all condition builds requiring Illusions.

Flow of Time was already reduced from the first BWE and is perfectly fine. Improved Alacrity is fine too and a tough decision between that and the other Master major traits.

If AWTEW is nerfed then it would ruin Chrono teamfight potential, because as it is precious utility slots must be sacrificed for wells (ie Blink, Decoy Portal, Condi cleanse, superior heals, Mass Invis, Time Warp, Moa and so on). As it is, Chrono is not a clear winner over a build with three core trait lines.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Gilgalas.7860:

It seems reasonable to expect a maximum alacrity uptime similar to quickness uptime.

:channels Pyro:
Wish granted! Alacrity uptime is now harder to maintain than quickness uptime!
That was easy.

Gg, wp.

Rizo.9534:

Aura should not stack at all!
Aura have to only renew itself… Same as supperspeed.

When did auras come into this? did i miss something?

Quadox.7834:

Rizo.9534:

Aura should not stack at all!
Aura have to only renew itself… Same as supperspeed.

When did auras come into this? did i miss something?

As a point of comparison? Dunno.

In that case though, Auras and Superspeed are applied by multiple classes and external sources. Alacrity is currently only applied by Mesmer Wells atm so it’s not as easily stacked unless a team is running multiple Mesmers.

perma alacrity is very good in pve, i like it. in pvp its not possible

BALANCED

WHaO for Rangers had to be nerfed because it was too unbalanced for a single ability. You can’t give unlimited duration buffs to a class just because they take one particular heal spell; that is just bad design and a nightmare to balance around. Many reasonable people on the Ranger forums realized this but its amazing how many people didn’t and STILL bring up WHaO nerf as being unjustified/unfair.

Here is a thread where OP begs the Ranger forum to come demand nerfs in this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/The-new-WHAO-go-claim-for-a-nerf

Levetty.1279:

Here is a thread where OP begs the Ranger forum to come demand nerfs in this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/The-new-WHAO-go-claim-for-a-nerf

Nice catch! That post breaches multiple forum CoC directives of civility, demanding answers/dev responses, cross posting, etc.

Wow, rangers who just got made into a break bar destroying healing machine and more than viable and welcome in all aspects of the game wanting a nerf to a really poor alacrity bot?

The Mad King really has entered Tyria.

I don’t think this is a PvP problem at all. I mean, you saw how the guy popped all his utilities AND used f5?

Alacrity is capped at 30 seconds, which is fair considering how hard it is to stack.

PvP/Wvw wise- if you allow a mesmer to sit around for 10 seconds (as was shown in the video) and stack alacrity, you kinda deserve to be punished.

PvE wise alacrity keeps mesmers useful in the new content, especially with how little projectile reflection is valued against the new mobs, as well as the fact that mesmers can’t contribute a lot outside of quickness and alacrity atm.

Also, why does the nerf to WHAO warrant a nerf to mesmers? That seems like a pretty large leap in logic there.

I think it’s fine the way it is.

cDKI.8352:

Alacrity is capped at 30 seconds, which is fair considering how hard it is to stack.

Is there a source on this?

AlphatheWhite.9351:

cDKI.8352:

Alacrity is capped at 30 seconds, which is fair considering how hard it is to stack.

Is there a source on this?

Did a fractal with 3 chronos against mai.

Don’t do a fractal with 3 chronos against mai.

cDKI.8352:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

cDKI.8352:

Alacrity is capped at 30 seconds, which is fair considering how hard it is to stack.

Is there a source on this?

Did a fractal with 3 chronos against mai.

Don’t do a fractal with 3 chronos against mai.

Yeah I once did a fractal with 3 mesmers pre HoT, never again….never again.

OP tears are delicious.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

cDKI.8352:

Alacrity is capped at 30 seconds, which is fair considering how hard it is to stack.

Is there a source on this?

I got to 39s while doing No Refuge. It could be a stack cap with the majority of stacks filled with 1-2s.

Esplen is right, when you stack duration based boons it depends on the number of applications rather than a solid time cap. I doubt alacrity is anything different.

That being said, could we move on from this thread? Seeing that OP has breached CoC and comparing apples with oranges, it is clear that he won’t be responsible enough to read our points or come up with a solid argument.

cDKI.8352:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

cDKI.8352:

Alacrity is capped at 30 seconds, which is fair considering how hard it is to stack.

Is there a source on this?

Did a fractal with 3 chronos against mai.

Don’t do a fractal with 3 chronos against mai.

So does the bombardment go through blocks, then? Because I could see a 3-chrono group being essentially invulnerable (3 well of precog, blocks/distortion on everyone, maybe throw in some distortion share if needed, pick up sword for extra blur).

Levetty.1279:

Here is a thread where OP begs the Ranger forum to come demand nerfs in this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/The-new-WHAO-go-claim-for-a-nerf

Oh wow.

That’s a new level of low.

Hope he got banned instead of just the thread being removed.

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

Seeing that OP has breached CoC and comparing apples with oranges, it is clear that he won’t be responsible enough to read our points or come up with a solid argument.

Am I the only one that found this comment amusing?

I doubt anyone with a breached CoC could be considered responsible.