Guild Wars 2

The new portal item effectively gives every class (at least in PvE) an exact copy of the mesmer portal skill which is one of the main reason to play mesmer in PvE.

The new runes apparently afflict much more and longer confusion than any of our skills (see https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Superior-Rune-of-Perplexity). 5 stacks confusion for 10s base duration overshadows everything we got ourselves to apply confusion.

Really seems like ArenaNet is trying to remove the mesmer from the game.

/edit: Seeing the current power creep it seems that ArenaNet simply “forgot” to adjust mesmer accordingly to other classes (or better: Adjust other classes to the mesmer. We don’t need power creep).

“An exact copy”.

Wow, you need to actually take a look at the item. It’s more than just useless and in hindsight I like it. It just shows everyone how important being friendly with a Mesmer is. Because if not, you’d have to use that thing, and no, you never want to.

Portal is not a ‘main reason to play a Mesmer’. I certainly never said, "Ooh I want to roll a Mesmer so that everyone will expect me to get places for them and portal their lazy butts through the area I just went to.’

The portal device costs a charged lodestone and 75 Watchworks, let alone the other stuff you’re already at a few gold for a single use Mesmer portal. The new runes are usable by Mesmers, so you didn’t really lose anything, in fact our 33% Confusion duration trait just seems all the better now.

I’m been a mesmer since day one and seeing one of my skills becoming a craftable hurts my feels a little. And I’ll be honest, when I saw portal being used in the class introduction pre-beta I was hooked even though in reality it is more often a convenient perk. At least it’s expensive to make.

I always liked in heart quests when I was temporarily given new utilities or skills from other classes.. Like that charr one where you have to stealth. So I can understand the appeal. But really, being able to craft skills from other professions is just a really bad decision imo.

Personally i dont care. i rarely use it – i think i have used it like 5 times since release and it really only gets used for Porting Golems in WvW or hiding after a tower/keep has been lost to portal everyone back in to reclaim.

So i say – go ahead have a crappy version of our skill that cant be used in SPvP, TPvP or WvW, has 1 time use and isnt exactly free to make.

It’s not a big deal.

Crafted one time item with high cost.

Eng already does conditions w/ confusion added in better than mes anyways if you were looking for str8 up cond damage.

Mes is still amazing support and has solid burst damage. Sucks that mes cond has been poor for a while now and it could use some love

I don’t think anyone is going to bother with the portal. It costs about 3 gold to make 1 and it’s single use.

It’s more like a joke on people who wanted to give a portal to other classes.

Your Mesmer may be redundant. Mine certainly isnt

What do people do that they set portal so often? I have it set if I run CoF path 1 (which I don’t do anymore) or if I am running the Shattercat Mist. Other than that I don’t set it. What is the big outrage over these personal portals?

I’m a Mesmer. I’m too kitten smexxy to become redundant. Plus, that item probably lacks the butterflies/purple pimpness.

Iavra.8510:

The new portal item effectively gives every class (at least in PvE) an exact copy of the mesmer portal skill which is one of the main reason to play mesmer in PvE.

The new runes apparently afflict much more and longer confusion than any of our skills (see https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Superior-Rune-of-Perplexity). 5 stacks confusion for 10s base duration overshadows everything we got ourselves to apply confusion.

Really seems like ArenaNet is trying to remove the mesmer from the game.

/edit: Seeing the current power creep it seems that ArenaNet simply “forgot” to adjust mesmer accordingly to other classes (or better: Adjust other classes to the mesmer. We don’t need power creep).

“mesmer portal skill which is one of the main reason to play mesmer in PvE” lol what?

So and grenade kits, flamethrower, medikits and seed turrets made engineers redundant ?
Fire Elemental made Elementalist and Necromancer redundant ?

Mesmer is probably the class with the fewest “also aquired by bundles”.

Redundant? C’mon man.. Those runes are a huge buff to condition Mesmers. To take a quote from the link you posted..

Dietzen.6127:

Rennoko.5731:

In my humble opinion, these are hands down the best runes for a condition necromancer now. Unfortuantely I feel like if I do a video and detailed write up on it, it will only speed the nerf train into these runes.

As far as my testing has shown, it procs 3 confusion for around 9-10 seconds with 100% duration on hit. The base duration seems to be 4.5 or 5 seconds.

The kicker here is the 6 piece bonus. It procs…. FIVE (5) stacks of confusion for the same duration on interrupt, the 6 bonus gives 10 seconds BASE not 5. The 4 bonus gives 4.5 or 5 seconds base and the 6 gives 10. I had several cases last night where I would interrupt a heal and get 8 stacks of confusion on the target for about 5+ seconds.

Compared to our other popular options, it is hands down the best set.

Compare:

Nightmare, necromancer, perplexity, undead

All 4 have the same 1, 3, 5 set bonuses

Undead: 50 toughness, 5% toughness to condition damage (80-90 in rabid)
Nightmare: 10% condition duration, Change to single target fear when hit (90sec ICD)
Necromancer: 20% fear duration, 50 vitality
Perplex: 30% confusion duration, 20% chance to cause 3 confusion (15sec ICD), 5 confusion on interrupt.

If you are actively using fear to stop heal…. and you should… you really want perplexity. fear does not interrupt! It stops any heals and whatnot, but for some reason, it does not interrupt as such, and therefore does not proc the 6 perplexity bonus, this is something I’ve tried over and again on sentries in wvw, no other source, don’t know if it works outside or against players, but I haven’t seen it so far

Aside from the above corrections, I think this rune set just might be the best one for us. In a standard 30/20/0/0/20 build with rare veggie pizza, you will have 100% confusion duration, doubling the duration of the perplexity procs. Necros can now dish out every condition in the game with high uptime. Though, we can’t dish out a lot of confusion, neither reliably proc the 6 bonus, but when it does it’s great insofar as my testing is concerned, and fear does indeed not count as an interrupt, I have used spectral grasp in order to interrupt and this works flawlessly.

If a Necro is pulling that off with no confusion traits or added ways to apply confusion, imagine what we can do with this? It even makes Focus more viable for WvW condition builds.

shimmerless.4560:

it’s not the portal it’s more the principle of the thing itself. power creep always starts off small.

It’s not. There’s plenty items to stealth, cause flame AEs, throw grenades, charge, jump, summon a pet or give yourself retaliation.

In a way, these all farm out class centric things, no?

Recipe requires charged lodestone (2+gold) on top of ori ingots, etc. for a ONE TIME use. Do you really think CoF runners are going to say “Hey, we don’t need a mesmer, I’ll just drop this 2.5+gold item to get us post boulders each time”

It’s about time the other classes got access to some Mesmer themed bundles. I highly doubt anyone will bother to build more than one maybe two of the new portal items when they realise how expensive they are in comparison to simply bringing a Mesmer along.

erm im a little worried. u guys are aware of the fact that warriors can do tons of stacks of confusion with that new rune. erm how many interrupts do we have again?compared to other classes?

i think its ridiculus that a warrior that has high dps already and toughness, now also gets to inflict 9 stacks of confusion with no problem, whereas confusion kinda is a mesmer thing as we are kinda the confusing class as kinda stated by anet and most of our interrups are not hitting multiple targets, are more single targeted, soo other classes can stack aoe confusion without problems and i feel kinda kittenhurt by this.

and necros already want their chainfear to work as interrupts so they can inflict mass confusion next to their mass conditions! first anet nerf us to the ground and now every other class has easier access to confusion that us(talking wvw here not 1v1 as our interrupts are 1v1 based) and there are portals now for eveyone too….hmm whats next?the new duplicate skill:allows every class to create a duplicate of himself to confuse the enemy!

or maybe just me being worried