Guild Wars 2

I have actively gone to 1v1 situations in WvW. This mesmer is a total failure.

First with GS, clones and phantasms, no damage. Then melee (because enemy runs over me) with sword/torch, no damage. Except for me because I’m then dead.

GS4 phantasms are so lazy that I’m dead before they move and hit the enemy.

Frustating. My build is called “run-away mesmer” because only running away makes sense. Blink, decoy, mass invisibility, torch4. And guess what, even this is a failure. I’m stunned, crippled, and either invisibilities run out or they won’t go on because the skills are interrupted.

I should try runes of traveler because then my mesmer can run away faster, or not.

Dead mesmer.

……….wat

/15char

Forgot to tell that this mesmer is useless in soloing dungeons. Took like 1.5 hours to get the gate open at AC, at second attempt. At first attempt, the monk regenerated health too much. (Tried to get trait skills by doing dungeons in story mode.)

AnniMira.2506:

Forgot to tell that this mesmer is useless in soloing dungeons. Took like 1.5 hours to get the gate open at AC, at second attempt. At first attempt, the monk regenerated health too much. (Tried to get trait skills by doing dungeons in story mode.)

………………………………wat

Do you want to ask for some sort of advice, or are you just coming here to spout really off-base complaints?

I need mesmer help too, i am lvl 11 but struggle to kills mobs and all the moves are aoe so i get swarmed and die.

I have no questions. Cannot think any useful. I have read all guides here, have watched all god-mesmer videos.

If you’re serious then please re-roll a warrior. Mesmer is too difficult for you.

Haizy.5846:

I need mesmer help too, i am lvl 11 but struggle to kills mobs and all the moves are aoe so i get swarmed and die.

Make another thread and post your questions in more depth, you’ll get help. Don’t post in this one though.

One time, at band camp, this kid tried to play this mesmer, and hit his buttons at all the wrong times, and then he died.

i’m actually like you when I start pvping with mesmer. After Losing tons of 1v1 i start to refine and craft my Mesmer build using the exisiting build as a reference. Mesmer is really a fun and insteresting class after you manage to learn and use your skill in the right suitation. To master Mesmer you need to put in effort to master the skill and combo. Mesmer might not be the class for you.

If you want easy to play class you might want to try the following.

1. Nerco—minon master (dun really need much skill just summon all minon and you will be very tanky. If use right you can easily go against 2-3 person holding a point)

2. Currently most popular build turret eng

3. Longbow ranger

4. Warrior in general

dont go 1vzerg in wvw
stay above 1000 range from enemies
go hot joins and practice

Should the game be balanced so that it is not an instakill but at least 30-60 seconds? Even for average players, for majority players.

Of course, I don’t give up. As frustating it is, I continue 1v1’ing And I like my mesmer…

Build: 4/4/6/0/0 – III, X / I, X / III, VIII, XII
Armor: PTV, runes of mesmer
Trinkets: PTV
Weapon: gs + sword/torch, or gs + sword/focus; accuracy+force
Blink, portal, decoy, mass invisibility — or time warp in dungeons, at tequatl.

Biggest problems are the mouse and keyboard. Would game mouse with extra buttons help? Also the mouse pointer is lost in the screen: always hitting map, chat and menus of various kinds. Due the mouse problems, I avoided melee and skills gs3, blink, veil, null field, time warp for long time. Using them now, more everyday.

I hear you, it’s frustrating at start. In the Chaos line, do you use Prismatic Understanding? Do it, it helps when you’re new at the battlefield. Also try using a build with staff, it has good defensive skills but is also a good offensive weapon.

Learn your defensive skills, as a mesmer you need to actively defend yourself, it takes time to learn this, all classes have their kitten (attacks) you need to know. A way to learn this is to ONLY defend, try just to stay alive for as long as you can. Read up on all the defensive skills and bring them all, don’t change your build, just actively try to just defend. Blow them all in a sequence at first and then try to time them with the enemies moves.

Invest in Sigil of Energy, it gives you more dodging juice which is fundamental in survival.

However, dont forget the saying “Attack is the best defence” which is why Glasscannon builds work, when you go into a defensive playstyle you dont lead the game, its harder motivate yourself and decide the outcome.

There are builds that are built around defence however, and you almost have one right now, but with the wrong gear. Look up Blackwater, you need rabid armor/trinkets/weapon. Its’ condition but very forgiving and quite easy to play.

Also assign dodge to its own key, don’t use double tap. This helps A LOT. Dont use wireless keyboard/mouse either, they loose keypresses and lag.

Good luck!

Wait are we supposed to give legit responses, i just assumed this was a poorly done troll thread.

AnniMira.2506:

Should the game be balanced so that it is not an instakill but at least 30-60 seconds? Even for average players, for majority players.

Of course, I don’t give up. As frustating it is, I continue 1v1’ing And I like my mesmer…

Build: 4/4/6/0/0 – III, X / I, X / III, VIII, XII
Armor: PTV, runes of mesmer
Trinkets: PTV
Weapon: gs + sword/torch, or gs + sword/focus; accuracy+force
Blink, portal, decoy, mass invisibility — or time warp in dungeons, at tequatl.

Biggest problems are the mouse and keyboard. Would game mouse with extra buttons help? Also the mouse pointer is lost in the screen: always hitting map, chat and menus of various kinds. Due the mouse problems, I avoided melee and skills gs3, blink, veil, null field, time warp for long time. Using them now, more everyday.

The lack of damage is probably due to the PTV gear you’re using. Also, you have the sigils of accuracy and force which don’t work with phantasms.

ALL IS VAIN

I have a few questions and comments

#1: How are you dieing "instantly" if you are using PTV gear and put 6 into chaos with PU?
#2: Why do you have zero condition removal? That might be a problem for you
#3: Of course you do no damage if you are a PU build with PTV gear
#4: If you looked at guides and builds why are you using runes of the mesmer?

Your issues seem to be learn to play or learn to character build issues. And you also just answered your own question about being mouse and keyboard being your problem.

A game mouse with extra buttons does help but that doesn’t mean you have to lose all the time, it won’t help you one bit I think with the situation that you are in. Game mouses like the Razer Naga or Logitech G600 will really only help you to smoothen up gameplay and allow you to keybind better. It will only make you better if APS is really one of the only things that hold you back. Heck, for a long time I’ve played this game on 15-20 FPS in WvW with 4 buttons on my mouse and I did reasonably OK. Just make sure you have keybindings that you feel comfortable with or can learn to adapt over time. One thing I can say is to keep track of your mouse pointer better or lower the sensitivity so things move a little slower for you.

What is PVT….?
Might be a really stupid Q, but I never saw it anywhere before…

all is vain.

Man, this is literraly the first post that could make me login and post. lul

You play PU with full tank armor and you’re complaining about doing no damage? Please try harder————heh

Holl.3109:

What is PVT….?
Might be a really stupid Q, but I never saw it anywhere before…

Power/Vitality/Toughness aka Soldier´s

Nothing you wanna use on any kind of PU mesmer. ;P

Uh.. would you happen to be on US or EU? I think this is gonna take a more-personal touch. (which is what she said. nyuk nyukk)

For mesmer you usually get your survivability out of your utility/traits w/e.. and you gear to pump out damage.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Uh.. would you happen to be on US or EU? I think this is gonna take a more-personal touch. (which is what she said. nyuk nyukk)

+1’d for that.

As others have said, Soldier’s gear and (in addition to that) 6 points in Chaos are probably the reason why you don’t do much damage. Also, Runes of the Mesmer… why would you use those in anything that’s not an interrupt-build?

Then I’d also suggest switching out Portal for condition-removal (the mantra one is quite awesome for example). You will not need Portal as much in WvW (unless you really can make it work and don’t need the condi-removal because you’re pro enough to mostly avoid getting conditions applied to you), and in PvP you also only really should bring it if you’re fighting with an organized (teamspeak) team that can make use of it.

Then about the mouse pointer being lost in the screen and always hitting chat/mail/whatever: Try tweaking your settings for mouse pointer sensivity. I don’t remember if there’s a special ingame setting for it (would need to check; but can’t right now cause I’m about to go sleep haha), but there’s one in Windows for sure. Also, some special mice have their own configuration menu, though I don’t think you’re using such a mouse. Also, I very rarely find myself clicking stuff while running around or in combat. I usually hold the right mouse-button down almost permanently (there are a few exceptions that I won’t write down in detail now) and use “select next target” and/or “select nearest target” for targetting my opponents. That reminds me; you should disable auto-target if you didn’t do so already.

As for buttons in general, I play with a mouse that has two additional buttons on the left side, and that’s enough for me. I pretty much use the standard-keybinds, except for: Q look behind you, V draw/sheathe weapon; dodge is on mousewheel-click (don’t use dodge on double-tap), and the two extra-buttons on the mouse are used for target nearest opponent and about face. Important is, that it works out for you. I myself wouldn’t want to play with a mouse that has like 20 extra-buttons… I’d probably always end up pressing the wrong ones, or multiple ones together. Don’t need that… I’ve got a keyboard after all. ^^

I’m changing and testing. Now zerk armor; yet need to change trinkets. Never used food etc but purchased some. I’m both soloing and going in two’s party in WvW, with experienced and good mesmer.

Just yesterday noticed that running away does not work if enemy does not have better to do than chase me. First I chased solo warrior from behind, launched gs friends as usual, then got scared and ran away: decoy, immediate mass invisibility, blink. From traits I luckily got swiftness. From runes of sunless (useless as they say) I most likely got 1 sec fear. When I looked behind, the warrior was a far away, but got me with those greatsword leaps. At least I tried to do something: gs as usual and pistol as new. My escape skills have too long cooldowns; end was clear.

If I cannot run even with optimal settings, I should try butterflying with staff and blink.

I will test a few runes as well. Runes of vampirism sounds like a good idea with 6 but I could not find anything about the mist. Cheap to test. Runes of afflicted is another which sounds interesting but probably death nova sounds better than it may be.

Along with well known runes, runes of sunless, vampirism, antitoxin, privateer, afflicted, krait, grove, centaur sounds like worth of testing.

Mesmers are notorious for our slow speed. Looking into centaur speed or traveler runes will help. Also when using our stealth skills try not to run in a straight line or towards the objective friendly camp tower. Use the stealth and turn 90 or 180 degrees and proceed to create distance. The more practice the better.

Feels better now. After changing from PTV to zerk gear, it feels like my mesmer survives longer in WvW and in EotM. Someone told that in dungeons the foes goes after the player who has most toughness; the similar effect in WvW? Maybe not.

I also use dodge more, leaving a clone behind. Earlier I moved either forward or backward (slow). Now I move more sideways. That helps in keeping foes targeted while I move better. I’m not sure does jumping help, but sometimes I jump too.

Decoy, mass invisibility, and blink combo is good for large distance escapes. I have succeeded to pass a large zerg in EotM’s bridges by this trick. Turning around would have been a dead end.

As said I disliked all skills requiring use of mouse, but now blink and focus 4 are must-have utils. Focus 4 allows faster traveling, for allies too.

Earlier I did not use focus at all, but I have now purposedly learned to use its 4 to pull foes down. A lot of them Likewise, earlier I did not use greatsword 5, but now it is in good use.

Thanks to Vashury for youtube videos. I learned something. In EotM, an enemy is approaching me; I did go behind a wall, used decoy, came out as invisible, and pushed enemy to void with gs 5. Probably did not realize what hit. I’m also mentally ready to use focus 4 and gs 5 to first pull enemies to edges and push them to void (see the video). As I additionally have runes of the sunless, I also have the fear which can be used to push enemies to void.

I also have tried to do Vashury’s trick with sword but have not succeeded. Vashury shows how to jump to higher places after enemy; to roof, to bridge, sort of. I have not succeeded. Maybe it is special to PvP maps.

Last, if I run solo and I see a lone thief or whatever party, I don’t run away anymore. A solo enemy is most probably looking for something to do; like me. If the player is trying to reach his zerg, I do nothing; I wait if enemy does the first move.

To all enemys: if you let your 1-1 opponent to self-revive from downed state, it means more fun to do. Finishing the opponent just means end of the fun.

@OP, I guess this playlist might help you: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLznAT8Ea5k_wknnJA7mA8bpg_c6_9_miA This show the potential of the mesmer in speedruns.

Best guide ever: The Comprehensive Mesmer Guide Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eZ0NNd7b60 …. I kneel before it….. 2yrs old and is till being watched.. watch this guide first from 1 to 4 then go to meta site or any meserbuild on the forums an you will be good… All hail The Comprehensive Mesmer Guide Part 1 -4

The only way is to go full bersi for an adequate damage output.
Needs really long time to master the mesmer. All skills must come exact at the right moment. No “common” rota like in other classes.

Give it a try.

Start with a PU-Troll-Runaway-Mesmer and alter slowly your traits, build, equip and skills to full bersi shatter or interupt/lockdown.

At the very beginning my mesmer was nothing but a victim in wvw.
Needed some time to get expirienced enough for the build and equip im using atm.

Another advice: a must have is defintly the travelers rune.

At this point I wouldn’t suggest PU anymore as a build to start with for a new Mesmer. The play style is too far removed from what you will usually play in grouped PvP, and overall PU just isn’t that strong anymore IMO. It’s a 1v1 build and is forgiving, but so is a Condie Shatter build and it teaches you a lot of the same moves, combos (in general), and skills as you will need for a Power Shatter build.

A good Staff/Sc+X MtD Condie Shatter build is more forgiving both in terms of reaction time (survivability), and learning to land your shatters properly. You’re also useful to groups, and can hold your own in 1v1 as well, without needing a good connection, perfect timing, and countless hours of practice to properly land your 1 damaging shatter.

Then as you grow comfortable with Condie Shatter, you can experiment with Power Shatter and you will begin to understand the advantages and trade offs you make between the two builds.

Windwalker.7421:

At this point I wouldn’t suggest PU anymore as a build to start with for a new Mesmer. The play style is too far removed from what you will usually play in grouped PvP, and overall PU just isn’t that strong anymore IMO. It’s a 1v1 build and is forgiving, but so is a Condie Shatter build and it teaches you a lot of the same moves, combos (in general), and skills as you will need for a Power Shatter build.

A good Staff/Sc+X MtD Condie Shatter build is more forgiving both in terms of reaction time (survivability), and learning to land your shatters properly. You’re also useful to groups, and can hold your own in 1v1 as well, without needing a good connection, perfect timing, and countless hours of practice to properly land your 1 damaging shatter.

Then as you grow comfortable with Condie Shatter, you can experiment with Power Shatter and you will begin to understand the advantages and trade offs you make between the two builds.

I’d recommend different things based on what areas of the game a new person is playing. Recommending condie shatter for someone that loves solo roaming in WvW would simply be sadism.

PU condie also allows new players to just generally get familiar with a lot of the mesmer mechanics that need to be understood really well. The odd things about how DE works, the overall feel of how the weapons function, that sort of thing. In a demanding shatter build, you’re going to be too worried about getting ripped a new one to have any time to actually examine what your skills are doing, whereas PU condie (and power to an extent) actually gives you that breathing room to sorta sit back and experiment.

Decoy, mass invisibility then blink, perhaps with distortion? Nice, now you have no cooldown

I’m fairly confident that your problem is that you are not using your clones and phantasms to disguise your position correctly.

When I started playing my shatter mesmer in WvW I had this terrible habit of running away in straight lines while dodging; when you do this you are not making it difficult for the enemy to see which one is the real you.

And that is exactly where your survivability as a mesmer comes from.

No mesmer can really live through much direct pressure, you’re squishy as hell, the only way you can survive fights is by making it as difficult as possible for the enemy to hit the correct target.

This means you need to stay near your clones and phantasms and use stealths and decoys to break the enemy targeting, costing them valuable time as they try to find you.

You also want to double-back and reverse directions frequently to make things harder for the enemy.