Guild Wars 2

Kazhiel.8194:

Hi troll, you make no sense, try again? What do shatter builds have to do with anything? I don’t play one lol.

Why am I a troll? Please explain. I was simply quoting an example of a very popular build which u nerf a component by say blanket increasing the CD by 5s which should not be a big deal in order to placate other professions complaining of balance issues in PVP, which quickness was apparently nerfed for.

Shatter CD increase by 5s is truly no big deal, so no QQ pls. If you dont play shatter build, then you should have 0 objections watsover.

Still have no idea what you’re talking about. You want to nerf shatter because…?

Khal Drogo.9631:

Kazhiel.8194:

Hi troll, you make no sense, try again? What do shatter builds have to do with anything? I don’t play one lol.

Why am I a troll? Please explain. I was simply quoting an example of a very popular build which u nerf a component by say blanket increasing the CD by 5s which should not be a big deal in order to placate other professions complaining of balance issues in PVP, which quickness was apparently nerfed for.

Shatter CD increase by 5s is truly no big deal, so no QQ pls. If you dont play shatter build, then you should have 0 objections watsover.

You seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that quickness is not a mechanic unique to mesmers. Every source of quickness in the game was nerfed; sources that have a downside were extended slightly, along with duration of the downside. This is not a Mesmer nerf, this is a much needed nerf to quickness that players of all classes have been asking for since the first week this game was released.

Pyroatheist.9031:

You seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that quickness is not a mechanic unique to mesmers. Every source of quickness in the game was nerfed; sources that have a downside were extended slightly, along with duration of the downside. This is not a Mesmer nerf, this is a much needed nerf to quickness that players of all classes have been asking for since the first week this game was released.

Well this is a mesmer forum so. “Players of all classes have been asking for since the first week” doesnt seem to include the other players of other professions who use quickness QQing in their respective forums. I find it strange why people would find it needed outside of PVP. I have been asking quite a few times on the forums which specific PVE content does it trivialize outside of COF. Apparently no one is able to answer.

I was giving a hypothetical scenario: if shatters CD was increased by 5s, would u guys be saying the same things? I dont use shatter builds or PVP so it doesnt affect me and I think all the other professions would like to see the above-mentioned nerf take place.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Pyroatheist.9031:

You seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that quickness is not a mechanic unique to mesmers. Every source of quickness in the game was nerfed; sources that have a downside were extended slightly, along with duration of the downside. This is not a Mesmer nerf, this is a much needed nerf to quickness that players of all classes have been asking for since the first week this game was released.

Well this is a mesmer forum so. “Players of all classes have been asking for since the first week” doesnt seem to include the other players of other professions who use quickness QQing in their respective forums. I find it strange why people would find it needed outside of PVP. I have been asking quite a few times on the forums which specific PVE content does it trivialize outside of COF. Apparently no one is able to answer.

I was giving a hypothetical scenario: if shatters CD was increased by 5s, would u guys be saying the same things? I dont use shatter builds or PVP so it doesnt affect me and I think all the other professions would like to see the above-mentioned nerf take place.

It affects wvw, which retains the same stats as pve. For this reason, it was nerfed everywhere. The key is that the nerf is 100% inconsequential in pve, while having massive positive implications in pvp.

Pyroatheist.9031:

It affects wvw, which retains the same stats as pve. For this reason, it was nerfed everywhere. The key is that the nerf is 100% inconsequential in pve, while having massive positive implications in pvp.

I could say the same for shatter CD which brings me back to my example. And its not “inconsequential” if you ever been in clutch situations.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Pyroatheist.9031:

It affects wvw, which retains the same stats as pve. For this reason, it was nerfed everywhere. The key is that the nerf is 100% inconsequential in pve, while having massive positive implications in pvp.

I could say the same for shatter CD which brings me back to my example. And its not “inconsequential” if you ever been in clutch situations.

You couldn’t say the same for shatter CD, because that would have massive negative implications in all parts of the game, uniquely for Mesmer. The two situations are completely different, and now I’m done taking this bait. I’ve said my part, and you’ve wallowed through whatever point it is you think you’re making, and further discussion will not be productive.

Pyroatheist.9031:

You couldn’t say the same for shatter CD, because that would have massive negative implications in all parts of the game, uniquely for Mesmer. The two situations are completely different, and now I’m done taking this bait. I’ve said my part, and you’ve wallowed through whatever point it is you think you’re making, and further discussion will not be productive.

Not really. My phantasm build in PvE will do just fine. But you cant seem to grasp this.

Still playing mesmer. Still finding them effective. Still finding them fun. Still not bothered about nerfs. I agree with most of the balancing done so far by ANet. The only change I would do now is buff scepter a bit and change some of the traits which rarely get used.

@Kahl Drogo, i fully understand why pyro got bored of take your bait, eather you extremly ignorant and have no idea what he mean or your trolling, im on the second here.

Its like they nerfed armourcarts, you go " Omg they nerfed mesmers, I use armourcarts" then somone enlighten you that al classes can use armourcarts and you aswer, “well what would you like if they nerfed…. staff dmg” .

Well staff dmg is mesmer specific… so is shatters…. see where this going? Yepp, speed buff is nerfed for al classes and its not a mesmer specific nerf. Same lack of dmg you get the enemy recive aswell.

Also done taking your bait man.

/Osicat

The thing is though, Anet said they nerfed quickess to 50% speed and extended the duration. Unfortunately that extended duration does not apply to Time Warp; it remains 10 seconds long, creating the illusion (or reality) that Mesmers were singled out. I wouldn’t have minded the nerf if they had given us some compensation: a shorter cool down, slightly longer duration (13 seconds instead of 10), etc. Actually I’ve always entertained the idea of time warp serving a two way effect, and with the nerf it would be really cool if they added this feature.

My thoughts: Time warp – increases attack speed for ALLIES by 50% and decreases the attack speed of enemies by 50%.

Mere Image.8376:

The thing is though, Anet said they nerfed quickess to 50% speed and extended the duration. Unfortunately that extended duration does not apply to Time Warp; it remains 10 seconds long, creating the illusion (or reality) that Mesmers were singled out. I wouldn’t have minded the nerf if they had given us some compensation: a shorter cool down, slightly longer duration (13 seconds instead of 10), etc. Actually I’ve always entertained the idea of time warp serving a two way effect, and with the nerf it would be really cool if they added this feature.

My thoughts: Time warp – increases attack speed for ALLIES by 50% and decreases the attack speed of enemies by 50%.

While I think time warp is quite fine as is….that would be a REALLY REALLY cool idea.

This thread is wearing at my faith in humanity.

Mesmer is the 2nd or 3rd most powerful profession in the game for PvE dungeons. You could throw one in a dungeon without an elite and it would still make most other classes look bad.

In PvP, warrior is the worst whereas mesmer is one of, if not THE best class.

Take a second to check out the poll GuildWars2Guru put up a while back. When asking what the weakest class was in the game, Warrior was voted the worst by 54% over all other classes. Mesmer was tied with Guardian at 1%.

Source: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1077-community-highlight-of-guild-wars-2-pvp-survey/

So sure, if playing a class that is still considered one of the necessities for any serious group is not good enough for you and you have absolutely no consideration for any type of PvP in your wildest dreams, then go for it…

but you don’t need to cry here like a whiney brat about it.

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Timewarp was a our best elite true, is it still our best elite, absolutely it’s just toned down a bit just like every other class’s quickness. Honestly with the cd on TW no one should have been playing pve mes solely for the elite. Mesmer’s bring so much more to the table than quickness, even more so after the patch that it’s ridiculous people are complaining that now TW doesn’t let you faceroll CoF p1 boss anymore

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

I dont play mesmers only for the shatters; if you do, I think u should delete your mesmer too. So if 5s cd were added to shatters for PVP balance, you guys would have no problems with it?

Obviously these pro mesmers never actually used their TWs to rez ppl. The horror of playing with multiple players who get downed.

I am a bad mesmer yet I dont think I needed TW to faceroll COF P1.

aaron.7850:

Nerf? I will still destroy anyone 1v1

OP was obviously referring to Time Warp, and if you needed Time Warp to win in a 1v1…well, that’s another problem to consider entirely.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

I dont play mesmers only for the shatters; if you do, I think u should delete your mesmer too. So if 5s cd were added to shatters for PVP balance, you guys would have no problems with it?

Obviously these pro mesmers never actually used their TWs to rez ppl. The horror of playing with multiple players who get downed.

I am a bad mesmer yet I dont think I needed TW to faceroll COF P1.

A class mechanic that is a center of a number of builds still isn’t comparable to an almost 4-minute cooldown elite that we couldn’t even trait for, that uses an effect that was not unique to use that was blanket-reduced across the board.

I’ve used TW for ressing people—I’ve also been in situations having to res people without it because it wasn’t up, or because the Mesmer was one of the ones down. It makes things a lot easier if you didn’t have a one-shot attacks or heavy AoE coming your way, 50% faster will still make things easier—but it’s not necessary and shouldn’t be a such a crutch because what happens when you don’t have it?

Khal Drogo.9631:

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

I dont play mesmers only for the shatters; if you do, I think u should delete your mesmer too. So if 5s cd were added to shatters for PVP balance, you guys would have no problems with it?

Obviously these pro mesmers never actually used their TWs to rez ppl. The horror of playing with multiple players who get downed.

I am a bad mesmer yet I dont think I needed TW to faceroll COF P1.

What do shatters have to do with anything? They are our class mechanic and serve multiple purposes. There are many builds that are centric on them, and almost all builds utilize them in some way. Even if you are running a phantasm build, if aoe is about to kill them, shattering will provide some extra damage.

If you explain to me, how you’d build a time warp centric build, an effect that is up for 10 seconds every 3 minutes your argument would have merit.

For the record, if 5 seconds were added to the shatters cd (before the shatter recharge %, i assume) it’d probably have a very marginal overall effect. On most builds that would come down to like 1,66 seconds increase, thats not even 10 % . People would probably react much more to a % increase, or a damage reduction. Alas, you are still comparing apples and skyscrapers.

Cataca.3867:

What do shatters have to do with anything? They are our class mechanic and serve multiple purposes. There are many builds that are centric on them, and almost all builds utilize them in some way. Even if you are running a phantasm build, if aoe is about to kill them, shattering will provide some extra damage.

Its not likely you can get to shatter in time and you may have other clones/phantasms that are fine. I tot the class mechanic were the clones/illusions themselves. My bad.

Cataca.3867:

If you explain to me, how you’d build a time warp centric build, an effect that is up for 10 seconds every 3 minutes your argument would have merit.

For the record, if 5 seconds were added to the shatters cd (before the shatter recharge %, i assume) it’d probably have a very marginal overall effect. On most builds that would come down to like 1,66 seconds increase, thats not even 10 % . People would probably react much more to a % increase, or a damage reduction. Alas, you are still comparing apples and skyscrapers.

My example isnt about builds centering around a skill or a mechanic. Its about the irritation you get when things get nerfed to suit another aspect of the game. Like you said 5s CD is very marginal, much less than the Quickness nerf and yet a lot of mesmer who RELY on shatters not just for direct damage, but for the vulnerability stacks/confusions stacks etc. in PVP will be crying foul. That is what I imagine what would happen. Correct me if I am wrong.

As for the players who consider TW as a crutch in PvE in their opinion, I would imagine they don’t use it at all but they turn around and say they do. The illogical arguments put forth by the elite mesmer community boggles my mind.

Wow this is so fail. Please stop talking.

Oh, don’t twist words. I didn’t say “Timewarp is a crutch”. I said “you shouldn’t use Timewarp as a crutch”. You should be just as capable of handling a situation like 2-3 party members down without Timewarp as you are with it, because it’s always possible to get stuck in a situation where you won’t have it. And 50% faster is still 50% faster—that’s still a lot of extra speed for ressing people, or for rolling through channel skills, or for spiking damage.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Cataca.3867:

What do shatters have to do with anything? They are our class mechanic and serve multiple purposes. There are many builds that are centric on them, and almost all builds utilize them in some way. Even if you are running a phantasm build, if aoe is about to kill them, shattering will provide some extra damage.

Its not likely you can get to shatter in time and you may have other clones/phantasms that are fine. I tot the class mechanic were the clones/illusions themselves. My bad.

Cataca.3867:

If you explain to me, how you’d build a time warp centric build, an effect that is up for 10 seconds every 3 minutes your argument would have merit.

For the record, if 5 seconds were added to the shatters cd (before the shatter recharge %, i assume) it’d probably have a very marginal overall effect. On most builds that would come down to like 1,66 seconds increase, thats not even 10 % . People would probably react much more to a % increase, or a damage reduction. Alas, you are still comparing apples and skyscrapers.

My example isnt about builds centering around a skill or a mechanic. Its about the irritation you get when things get nerfed to suit another aspect of the game. Like you said 5s CD is very marginal, much less than the Quickness nerf and yet a lot of mesmer who RELY on shatters not just for direct damage, but for the vulnerability stacks/confusions stacks etc. in PVP will be crying foul. That is what I imagine what would happen. Correct me if I am wrong.

As for the players who consider TW as a crutch in PvE in their opinion, I would imagine they don’t use it at all but they turn around and say they do. The illogical arguments put forth by the elite mesmer community boggles my mind.

You summed yourself up quite nicely.

While it’s taken me a while to figure out what you’re actually babbling about, it appears you’re really upset that your pve elite was nerfed a little bit because of problems in pvp. I’m terribly sorry you feel that this great injustice came down upon your shoulders. I really am. However, your method of expressing that sentiment is extremely lacking.

Your argument has apparently been contriving a situation where if shatters were nerfed, that the community would be shedding the same river of tears you are currently. Perhaps that’s true, but the point is it doesn’t matter. It’s completely made up and irrelevant, as you’re trying trump up a fake nerf to use it as an example as to why this change was so bad. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Sure, I could say, “hay guis lol wut if anet like lol just deleted mezmar hahahah.” That would be just as pertinent as what you’re trying to say, which is not at all.

What DID happen was Haste, across the board, received a reduction. While some classes have been affected by this change more than others, it still affects everyone. In the end, you have 3 options: 1.) get over it, 2.) change your play style (ie reroll), or 3.) quit.

I don t care for TW nerf….

But warriors currently are way Beyond OP in pve….
OP is not even enough…..

Show me any other class Killing a maw tentacle at fotm 38 in 3 seconds then we may discuss….

PvE balance is in a worse state than everything else…the excuse is Always the same (pve is easy who cares?…do not agree).

I m Always tempted to build 1 despite the fact i hate the playstile.
Its quite clear many players built a warrior just for PvE…..(or a guardian).
It Worth all the time invested….

Mister Mustard.7203:

While it’s taken me a while to figure out what you’re actually babbling about, it appears you’re really upset that your pve elite was nerfed a little bit because of problems in pvp. I’m terribly sorry you feel that this great injustice came down upon your shoulders. I really am. However, your method of expressing that sentiment is extremely lacking.

Your argument has apparently been contriving a situation where if shatters were nerfed, that the community would be shedding the same river of tears you are currently. Perhaps that’s true, but the point is it doesn’t matter. It’s completely made up and irrelevant, as you’re trying trump up a fake nerf to use it as an example as to why this change was so bad. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Sure, I could say, “hay guis lol wut if anet like lol just deleted mezmar hahahah.” That would be just as pertinent as what you’re trying to say, which is not at all.

What DID happen was Haste, across the board, received a reduction. While some classes have been affected by this change more than others, it still affects everyone. In the end, you have 3 options: 1.) get over it, 2.) change your play style (ie reroll), or 3.) quit.

Sorry if it took you so long to understand, maybe I should use simpler words.. 11th try: How is TW OP in PvE outside of COF? Still 0 answers. Maybe all people can come up is just “same to you” instead of valid counter arguements.

How is adding a 5s cd to the shatter equivalent to deleting mesmer? Maybe to the guys roflstomping the competition in WvW and PvP.

Well if you want to play the get over it card, like I mentioned if shatter nerfs ever come, you guys can also feel free to suck it up.

athuria.2751:

Oh, don’t twist words. I didn’t say “Timewarp is a crutch”. I said “you shouldn’t use Timewarp as a crutch”. You should be just as capable of handling a situation like 2-3 party members down without Timewarp as you are with it, because it’s always possible to get stuck in a situation where you won’t have it. And 50% faster is still 50% faster—that’s still a lot of extra speed for ressing people, or for rolling through channel skills, or for spiking damage.

Yeah if you are fighting some easy boss. I would like to see u try rezzing without Time Warp at Bloomhunger or Dredge Shaman when all your reflects are on CD at higher level fracts or even CoE if you dont have a group of experienced party members.

And no, I always save my TW when its needed, not to just pop it off the first chance I get. I suppose the people not using it as a “crutch” wouldn’t have the same mentality.

This thread might destroy the universe.

Khal Drogo.9631:

athuria.2751:

Oh, don’t twist words. I didn’t say “Timewarp is a crutch”. I said “you shouldn’t use Timewarp as a crutch”. You should be just as capable of handling a situation like 2-3 party members down without Timewarp as you are with it, because it’s always possible to get stuck in a situation where you won’t have it. And 50% faster is still 50% faster—that’s still a lot of extra speed for ressing people, or for rolling through channel skills, or for spiking damage.

Yeah if you are fighting some easy boss. I would like to see u try rezzing without Time Warp at Bloomhunger or Dredge Shaman when all your reflects are on CD at higher level fracts or even CoE if you dont have a group of experienced party members.

And no, I always save my TW when its needed, not to just pop it off the first chance I get. I suppose the people not using it as a “crutch” wouldn’t have the same mentality.

i use distortion ._.

at dredge (grawl? there is no dredge shaman afaik) you can evade……but the truth is if you are GC you die anyway by flame damage just because you stand still.

@Khal Drogo, love how you make it sound like leet pve rading talking about bosses in GW2 dungeons and how you need x skill etc.

In fact the GW2 pve dungeons is a jun thing to do when you have some time left, thye are in no way challangching and as far from the organiced pve rading you could see in for example “Black Temple 25 man rading in world of warcraft back in the burning crusade”. You make it sound like the 5 man team need the tw to accive somthing simmilar to beat Illidan lol.

If you in fact been discussing the impact on a change on hardcore rading boss in a game you could been take serious, now it just sound silly.

/Osicat

If you need TW to win, you’ve already lost.

“You need TW to res people!!”

Don’t die to begin with.

See?

well edited just slightly irritated of reading ALL pve is easy :|

It s not that WWW is so hard unless you are a commander.

feel free to prove me wrong coming with me at high level fotm (with NO guardians) when you have some time left.

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

1400 achievement points player telling me to delete my character) ! you’re pathetic bro !

Nerf? Mesmer is still one of the top 3 classes for pvp.

When I solo roam I fear nobody.

Quickness nerf is worth rerolling for? LOL what a joke.

dani.1956:

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

1400 achievement points player telling me to delete my character) ! you’re pathetic bro !

I have a lot more than 1400 and I’m saying the same thing. If you want to jump ship just because one skill EFFECT was nerfed across the board, then feel free. You will not be missed.

dani.1956:

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

1400 achievement points player telling me to delete my character) ! you’re pathetic bro !

What do achievement points have to do with anything? Oh so if someone has 6k points, does that mean they are a better mesmer than someone with 2k? Funny. That is as bad as saying because you spent 10k hours farming for rank 70 in spvp, you are better than me. Just because you have 100k kills in WvW you are better than me. Just because you spent x amount of money you are better?

Yeah….no.

Quickness needed a nerf. That affected our TW. Big deal. Sure it was an ADVANTAGE. But, good mesmers do not have to rely on it to be successful in spvp, WvW, or pve.

mongolianmisfit.8350:

dani.1956:

Cataca.3867:

dani.1956:

Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !

Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.

a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.

And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.

1400 achievement points player telling me to delete my character) ! you’re pathetic bro !

What do achievement points have to do with anything? Oh so if someone has 6k points, does that mean they are a better mesmer than someone with 2k? Funny. That is as bad as saying because you spent 10k hours farming for rank 70 in spvp, you are better than me. Just because you have 100k kills in WvW you are better than me. Just because you spent x amount of money you are better?

Yeah….no.

Quickness needed a nerf. That affected our TW. Big deal. Sure it was an ADVANTAGE. But, good mesmers do not have to rely on it to be successful in spvp, WvW, or pve.

Timewarp is only good for teams… I never used it to give myself the advantage… Ever…Mass invis is just so much better in that regard on a much shorter cooldown… I use timewarp because other classes than me have better burst and are less squishy and 5 people going at double speed is OP… Doing it for just yourself as a Mesmer that only has good burst from shatters TW duration 10 sec MW CD 10 ish so it never really gave you the upper hand on your own. In a team its baller but that’s it