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Well the whole triangle thing is just a positional technique to aid a full shatter without a root. Can also be useful in 1v1s against opponents that will easily react to predictable iLeap shatter combos.
Fortunately, 90% of players in WvW do not react to predictable iLeap shatter combos
Well the whole triangle thing is just a positional technique to aid a full shatter without a root. Can also be useful in 1v1s against opponents that will easily react to predictable iLeap shatter combos.
Fortunately, 90% of players in WvW do not react to predictable iLeap shatter combos
You know that by connecting 3 dots you will always get a triangle, right?
You know that by connecting 3 dots you will always get a triangle, right?
Totally! :P
That’s still a triangle, dude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degeneracy_(mathematics)#Triangle
I know. It’s a joke, duh
Now it’s a discontent fox.
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Thx Joe. Always fun to watch your videos – amazing skill
It’s one of the cool benefits of playing on NSP to see you roaming around. Thx for the res tonight (Elbrin)
Thank you for the feedback, its np why would I just leave anyone on the ground to die? That’d be mean lol xD
Well the whole triangle thing is just a positional technique to aid a full shatter without a root. Can also be useful in 1v1s against opponents that will easily react to predictable iLeap shatter combos.
Fortunately, 90% of players in WvW do not react to predictable iLeap shatter combos
Yeah I guess, but even with all that, when you get blinded it still screws over the shatter.
Well the whole triangle thing is just a positional technique to aid a full shatter without a root. Can also be useful in 1v1s against opponents that will easily react to predictable iLeap shatter combos.
Fortunately, 90% of players in WvW do not react to predictable iLeap shatter combos
You know that by connecting 3 dots you will always get a triangle, right?
You know that by connecting 3 dots you will always get a triangle, right?
Totally! :P
Now now guys, lets stop fighting over how awesome my charr is xD
You know that by connecting 3 dots you will always get a triangle, right?
Totally! :P
That’s moreless impossible to do in gw2 seeing you and your clones barely stand still so in practice, in gw2, 3 dots as in clones will always become a triangle. It does not increase your chance of landing a burst. Hell it’s probably even better for the clones to hit 1 by 1 instead of all together so your damage is more reliable than a person dodging it all at once. Or well, that would be against those who know how2dodge or who don’t fall for your baits to let them waste dodges
Good point, also blink mirror images and shatter is always good too.
Hahha amazing video Joe,though I have a question:
What do you do when facing a condi heavy spammer?
I literally just flop over and die. If I see condi speced classes I don’t even bother touching for 1v1s. As in group play they won’t do as much.
That was great! And wow, Charr Butterflies are huge (unless its the bobblehead making them that big). I have an Asura mesmer and all we get are these tiny, little ones.
Thanks it was prob due to the fact that I had a bobble head so everything was huge lol
Mesmer = illuminati. IT IS KNOWN.
:O
welcome back, Im going to be leaving nsp for a while once i get back in game hoping to run into you guys in some of the matchups. Nice guide, though when running sw,x/st shatter i have always found greatsword mesmers food. Btw did you ever end up liking gs/st shatter.
Dang man hope to see you soon. I still haven’t been able to mess with gs/staff in wvw yet. But I’ll try as soon as I can find the time to play.
Oh i know you are all about damage maxing, but i have been having a blast using masterful reflection with gs/st shatter build. Reflecting all those condi builds key skills is a blast and longbow rangers are soon going to be eating 2 second rapid fires like chumps. It has allowed me to wreck a few condi warriors which normally are terrible for me.
Oh sweet, thanks for the tip/info man. It’s gonna be funny stuff after the update.
Good vid. I’d be afraid to come across you after the iLeap fix.
Also, I see you chose to stick with the Butternut Squash over Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew.
Thank you! The reason I chose butternut squash because it puts me at my old crit chance 66% from my oldest video. Back then I had 66% with 3 piece celestial armor and celestial weap with 1376 toughness instead of 916 but 80% crit chance with stacks then 100% with fury. It was a very nice sweet spot of balance where I get lots of crits and maybe 1/8 hits I don’t crit. So I had to replace my old celestial helm/legs/chest with assassin.
Great video Joe. I don’t particularly like the giant head, but technically it’s a very good video.
I see you run with Illusionary invigoration. Will you swap it for Illusionary Elasticity after 09/09 patch? I am sure you are happy about the sword change, but is there anything else you will take from the update? (i.e. one of the updated mantras or mimic)
Ty
Thank you very much, when I first came back to the game I had too much fun with it. Now I’m tired of the bobble head so in the future vids I won’t be using it as much anymore haha.
Aside to the new buffs, I won’t use the new trait Illusionary Elasticity.
It’s only gonna benefit my staff, which is meant for defensive purposes only. I mean my clones will only add extra bleeds which is only 66 damage per tick and the ticks don’t last forever, since I’m built all power/crit.
Also I don’t like staying in staff for a long time for damage and its damage over time instead of VS. illusionary invigoration where I’ll have 4 shatter’s recharged at half hp. I get to half hp almost really early in a fight so I have that on-demand burst whenever I need it compared to unreliable damage over time bleed ticks with staff.
What do you do 1v1 against S/D thief?
What do you do 1v1 against power/phantasm mesmer?
Do you have to change runes/sigils/weapons if you know you are going to face the above classes/builds in a 1v1?
(PS: I really liked the guy screaming “PULL OUT THE GOD CARD” @ 3:57 in the video.)
This build isn’t really meant for 1v1, and this game wasn’t really designed to be balanced for 1v1. So most of the time, actually all the time I lose if its a average thief..
It doesn’t matter how many outplays you do like interrupt/timing bursts at right time, in the end they should be winning majority of the fights. Yeah once in a while you’ll win like 1/10 fights from them messing up and you catching their mistakes. But overall they’ll win all of it.
For phantasm mesmers I lose all of it also, I mean I’ll win 1/10ish fights from catching their mistakes but the build itself they should be winning all of them also.
As for changing gear/runes/traits/weaps, I don’t do any of that because 1v1’s don’t amount to anything to me. I like to think of it this way, condi thieves/thieves/phant mesmer ai builds literally do nothing in team fights. So they’ll be losing all of the 2v2-5v5 scrims, and thats why you don’t see those specs being played in spvp or high level spvp also.
Sorry if this build wasn’t 1v1.
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What do you do 1v1 against S/D thief?
What do you do 1v1 against power/phantasm mesmer?
Do you have to change runes/sigils/weapons if you know you are going to face the above classes/builds in a 1v1?
(PS: I really liked the guy screaming “PULL OUT THE GOD CARD” @ 3:57 in the video.)
This build isn’t really meant for 1v1, and this game wasn’t really designed to be balanced for 1v1. So most of the time, actually all the time I lose if its a average thief..
It doesn’t matter how many outplays you do like interrupt/timing bursts at right time, in the end they should be winning majority of the fights. Yeah once in a while you’ll win like 1/10 fights from them messing up and you catching their mistakes. But overall they’ll win all of it.For phantasm mesmers I lose all of it also, I mean I’ll win 1/10ish fights from catching their mistakes but the build itself they should be winning all of them also.
As for changing gear/runes/traits/weaps, I don’t do any of that because 1v1’s don’t amount to anything to me. I like to think of it this way, condi thieves/thieves/phant mesmer ai builds literally do nothing in team fights. So they’ll be losing all of the 2v2-5v5 scrims, and thats why you don’t see those specs being played in spvp or high level spvp also.
Sorry if this build wasn’t 1v1.
I’ve been using this build for duels/roaming for a long, long time. ;-; #thedream </3
Yeah, I know this build shines in group fights, but I have fun with it in 1v1’s. A lot of builds are really hard to deal with 1v1, though. AI builds, condi heavy builds, high sustain/steady damage builds, stealth/high burst builds…LOL. Thanks for answering my questions. ;-;
What do you do 1v1 against S/D thief?
What do you do 1v1 against power/phantasm mesmer?
Do you have to change runes/sigils/weapons if you know you are going to face the above classes/builds in a 1v1?
(PS: I really liked the guy screaming “PULL OUT THE GOD CARD” @ 3:57 in the video.)
S/D thief is always about timing your hits,using diverson.and time your chaos strom+ileap.
phantasm mesmer is tricky but best thing is to out-stealth him,and excute your shatter burst perfectly,and never let him get more than 1 phantasm up(try to kill the phantasms).But they are both hard matchups indeed.It is so stupid that necro have staff #4 skill that it is better than any condi removal we have….and the cd is lower than all our condi cleanses(not including the mantra)..
Okay, so you’re saying outstealth – do you mean to take decoy, veil, mass invis and torch?
The mesmer I couldn’t beat had half knight’s gear and used greatsword, sword/pistol. I started with same weapons, I’m zerk. I switched to staff vs using greatsword. It seemed like he could generate phantasms faster than I could kill them. Should I switch weaps/sigs/runes? Change some gear out to get some more survivability? I thought a bit and came up with two main ways to try to beat the build:
1.) Tank the phantasms and focus my phants/shatters on the player. Try to take out phantasms if they’re close by him. I can’t tank his phants for very long without changing to tankier gear.
2.) Outstealth him – except the duelist can track me in stealth and it eats away at my health. He can constantly summon his phantasms. I have problems focusing damage on one phantasm to kill it while another phantasm is downing me. It’s definitely tough to beat a build where the AI is constantly after me and he is is stealth/feels tanky.
^ yeah the amount of effort/plays you have to do VS. them being worry free during duels is such a huge gap. But yes you can win but it won’t be as much as the amount of wins they’ll get in a 1v1. But you’ll be more viable/useful in teamfights.
;-;
You honestly don’t need that much condition cleansing on your own, unless you’re fighting another condition Mesmer or multiple condition sources. Outnumbered fights are outnumbered fights though, you’re likely going to lose unless they’re bad. But technically he can just go for 4 points in Domination instead, for boon stripping like he does currently. He’s got support taking care of cleansing for him normally you say. You also got a block, you got some stealth and you got Distortion, as well as Daze and well, you can dodge. Note how your condition damage would be well above 2000 as well, so your conditions, are hurting really bad. We’re talking Bleeds, Burn, Torments and Confusions in most cases, with Poison showing up once in a while from C.Storm. If you mean to get a Doom Sigil for Poison to affect heals, an optional effective way is to actually use the Pistol/Diversion. You know, interrupts. Just because you’re shatter, doesn’t mean you can’t be an annoying semi-lockdown player as well, right? Withdraw is hard to interrupt granted, but thieves are our natural predators anyways.
The whole idea of Mirror Images is to create a really quick follow-up shatter and/or for the “shi—— I need Distortion” moments (with the bonus being that it applies conditions as you shatter). It’s also another stun breaker. I just saw him running with basically no condition cleansing as-is in the video, so I figured why mess with that all that much.
You’re saying your proposed build would do more damage, but you’ve taken damage out of it to get even more defenses in an already very defensive gear setup. Your Phantasms are no longer hitting 50% critical by default. They need Fury to hit that. This means a good source of Bleeds, your iDuelist, has the potential to hit far less crits and you’re not going to see 4-6 stacks of Bleeds on average from one salvo of shots fired. You no longer punish at all on your enemies killing your clones/Phantasms, so that’s something they can do for free. Cripple tends to be enough to discourage some players from touching them once they notice it’s punished and if you spread your illusions out a bit. If you’re going into Chaos, you may as well get DD. I also don’t see the point of lowering Staff CD with.. CD, heh. The really useful 2 skills on Staff are already on low cooldowns, your auto-attack and Phase Retreat. The other 2 very useful skills, are no matter going to be taking a while to cool down. 28s is better than 35s, but marginally so. The goal is to have people dead before 28 whole seconds has passed anyways, right?
I do see the Doom Sigil potentially adding to the damage though, it’s 6 seconds of Poison after all. But it lowers the damage on Torments, Confusions, Bleeds and Burn in the process of using it instead. Your shatters are also hitting for a bit less in your setup. As are your block and the general power-attribute parts of the skills you use. We’re not talking huge numbers, it’s about 100 less Power and 100 less Condition Damage, but that does add up too in moderately high stacks from multiple sources, just 6 Bleed stacks do almost the same damage as the Poison, a bit more per tick actually, with 100 more Condition Damage. In both our builds, the goal is of course to have Fury at most times for our shatters, so that we too can go hit that lovely magical 50%. But you never need to worry about the iDuelist not having the magical number in my proposed goofing around build, as it has Fury by default. Of course, we won’t always have Fury proc’d on us, and at that point anything below 50% is moot and you’re at 41%, with 30-41% being something I consider to be not noticeable. And with 61% being 11% more than I’ve ever noticed being useful when you do have Fury. Going by my own experience that is. If your experience is different, by all means, pipe in and share.
If I was to give a few extra cents on the build you linked, I personally find your setup to be too focused into the one Manipulation skill you carry, the Blink skill. Yes, Blink is a great skill, but I prefer it for chasing and/or escaping something. And I can’t use it that often regardless if it’s traited down from 30s to 24s or not. Those are both relatively long cooldown times. The added range, yes, that’s alright, but 900 is already decent, especially when you can add Phase Retreat to it (in any direction you want, considering Blinking “forwards” is a thing after all). But that’s my opinion. I never really care much for lowering cooldowns by 20%, as in most cases it’s a measly difference, or simply not a big enough difference to care. That doesn’t mean I never do it, I just rarely do it.
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