WvW mesmer build, need help

WvW mesmer build, need help

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Posted by: iahen.2460

iahen.2460

Hi everyone !
(first, I hope you’ll excuse my bad english)

I’ve got some characters like engi, war, guard and mesmer. I played a lot in WvW with my war (so that I crafted an ascended armor etc). But, everyone of those characters are boring, except mesmer.
So, I tried to find by my own a good build for WvW zerging (I used to be in a wvw guild, but it’s finish), and after many and many try, I came up with this one :

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fhEQNAW8dl0npUt1oxENUrNiphY6Zxyd2qLJXAA-T1SBABQv/QWKz2UVH0UCilSjKVLAFNC4pLYhHAgGXEAAOCABAQAu5NzmBc0je0je0j2Nv5Nv5NvZpAuYMA-w

What’s good, what’s bad ?
First, this build seems to be really total. I would said that we have a lot of power (2549), a good level of thougness (2759), to much life (25k) and a few critical chance (only 20%).
I try to creat a build with whom I can have a map control, dammage and a lot of survival.
So, I’m based on Interruption that inflicts dmg, immobilization, and others conditions, but also that gives me power and other avantages. This is really helpfull in order to increase our dmg and our survival.
Then, null field is used agressively to dispell stability.
Moreover, I take the mantra of pain in order to test it. It might be usefull because it targeting 5 people, but I care with only 20% crit. Maybe I should change this one to take veil, I don’t know.

Let’s talk about the rune. I choose the supperior rune of exuberance. Although it’s pretty expensive, this rune is (to me) really effective. That gives me more power, more vitality, more healing power and more precision. Great, I take it ! To maximize the effect of the rune, I choose a mix between pieces of soldier’s armor and pieces of sentinel’s armor. That’s a P/T/V, really good when I want to survive.

About accessories, I chose a mix between soldier (3), Berzerker+valkyrie (2) and cavalier (1). That increase my survivability but also that give me more ferocity because the build don’t give too much ferocity.

With weapons, everything berzerker with 2 sigils of energy, one of bloodlust (to have more and more power) and one of force. I take a staff because of the chaos storm and I swap with sword/focus. Focus is really usefull because it can grab 5 people (and of course, interrupt them), but with “wardeen’s feedback”, I can reflect projectiles (rangers will learn to dislike me ). I hesitate with a GS, but finally not. The GS(5) is too long to be usefull in the build.

So guys, I have not been able to test this build because i do not have my computer with me, so it’s only a theoretical build. But I would like your opinion on it before you can play again and start crafting.
Thanks for reading and comment, and see you in the battle

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Posted by: Hamster.4861

Hamster.4861

Personally, I dont think you need the traits in Inspiration, and If you want to be useful in Zerging, you should probably not be trying to run a phantasm build, as your phantasms will exist for a single cast of thier skill before they’re dead from AOE and cleaving.

I’ve never needed to trait into inspiration to kill rangers, and it seems like you are putting a lot of trait eggs into your phantasms and focus.

What confuses me is that your traiting includes the buff to phantasms, but you have 0 points in dueling, so you don’t capitalize on Phantasmal Fury, which really is what takes phantasm damage up the next level.

You’ve got a very high damage, very tanky mesmer here. If you tried a 0/2/6/0/6 build, with either Imbued Diversion (F3 shatter hits 5 people per clone) or Illusionary Persona (allows you to shatter yourself for an instant interrupt) you could open up your options to include a few more interrupts.

If it were me, i would run a pistol instead of a focus. Focus tends to be more situational, and although its fun to pull 5 people, it’s almost impossible to actually get an interrupt in there as well. Pistol gives you a little more access to stuns and CC/Daze to work with your BI/CI. A tad easier to control IMO.

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Posted by: SuburbanLion.8095

SuburbanLion.8095

I think you might be spreading yourself too thin with the Inspiration line here. The Inspiration minors all buff phantasms, which are notoriously unreliable in Zerg v Zerg. I know that the map control aspect of the Warden’s Feedback sounds nice on paper, but sometimes it can also be a liability in WvW. If you drop a temporal curtain on that 80 man zerg at the wrong time, there’s a distinct possibility that you can get insta-gibbed by retaliation damage if you’re not prepared for it.

For what it sounds like you’re trying to do, I’d suggest playing around with a 4/4/6/0/0 or 2/6/6/0/0 variant. This would buff your mantras and shatters at the same time. Use reduced condition duration food to make up for the loss of Mender’s Purity if you need to.

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Posted by: iahen.2460

iahen.2460

Personally, I dont think you need the traits in Inspiration, and If you want to be useful in Zerging, you should probably not be trying to run a phantasm build, as your phantasms will exist for a single cast of thier skill before they’re dead from AOE and cleaving.

I’ve never needed to trait into inspiration to kill rangers, and it seems like you are putting a lot of trait eggs into your phantasms and focus.

What confuses me is that your traiting includes the buff to phantasms, but you have 0 points in dueling, so you don’t capitalize on Phantasmal Fury, which really is what takes phantasm damage up the next level.

You’ve got a very high damage, very tanky mesmer here. If you tried a 0/2/6/0/6 build, with either Imbued Diversion (F3 shatter hits 5 people per clone) or Illusionary Persona (allows you to shatter yourself for an instant interrupt) you could open up your options to include a few more interrupts.

If it were me, i would run a pistol instead of a focus. Focus tends to be more situational, and although its fun to pull 5 people, it’s almost impossible to actually get an interrupt in there as well. Pistol gives you a little more access to stuns and CC/Daze to work with your BI/CI. A tad easier to control IMO.

In my opinion, the 0/2/6/0/6 build seems better in PvP than in wvw. But with this one, we loose “halting strike” and that’s one of the build’s aim.
Take a pistol instead of a focus might be a good idea. I’ll try both of them, because the pistol (4) has only a simple target.

I think you might be spreading yourself too thin with the Inspiration line here. The Inspiration minors all buff phantasms, which are notoriously unreliable in Zerg v Zerg. I know that the map control aspect of the Warden’s Feedback sounds nice on paper, but sometimes it can also be a liability in WvW. If you drop a temporal curtain on that 80 man zerg at the wrong time, there’s a distinct possibility that you can get insta-gibbed by retaliation damage if you’re not prepared for it.

For what it sounds like you’re trying to do, I’d suggest playing around with a 4/4/6/0/0 or 2/6/6/0/0 variant. This would buff your mantras and shatters at the same time. Use reduced condition duration food to make up for the loss of Mender’s Purity if you need to.

The 4/4/6/0/0 build might be better I think. Something like this one ? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhEQNAW8alknpUt1oxENUrNipRY654cSGkUyyTA-T1SBABQv/QWKz2UVH0UCilSjKVLAFNC4pLYhHAgGXEAAOCABAQAu5NzmBc0je0je0j2Nv5Nv5NvZZAWGDA-w

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Posted by: Menaka.5092

Menaka.5092

You sure like vitality… looks far too tanky to me. I was running with less tank in frontline groups, about 1 year ago, you really don’t need that kind of protection for a “midline” build that can get in (sw) and out (staff) from combat fast and will try to focus on interrupts…

The real problem I see, from my experience (currently in top bronze league/EU), Mantra of Distraction in WvW is pretty much useless in the current meta: way too many guardians giving stability and aegis to everyone around them, in particular during the regroups, when you want to interrupt the empowering/blasting of water fields.

I abandoned the idea of making a interrupt build for WvW for the moment, but I don’t know about the meta on the server you are playing on. Your mileage may vary.

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Posted by: iahen.2460

iahen.2460

You sure like vitality… looks far too tanky to me. I was running with less tank in frontline groups, about 1 year ago, you really don’t need that kind of protection for a “midline” build that can get in (sw) and out (staff) from combat fast and will try to focus on interrupts…

The real problem I see, from my experience (currently in top bronze league/EU), Mantra of Distraction in WvW is pretty much useless in the current meta: way too many guardians giving stability and aegis to everyone around them, in particular during the regroups, when you want to interrupt the empowering/blasting of water fields.

I abandoned the idea of making a interrupt build for WvW for the moment, but I don’t know about the meta on the server you are playing on. Your mileage may vary.

I play on Augury Rock (yes I’m french :P ). So we are fighting against guilds with 25-30 members, sometimes more, sometimes less (but unbalanced fight in our favour are not interesting).

The vitality in my build is usefull because of the rune of exuberance. If I change for a full soldier build, I’ve got more power, equal thougness and less hp.
But, of course, I can try something else and play a build with a mix between Knight and cavalier gears, but I don’t want it (and you’ve got something like 2k8 armor and 200% critical damage). And I don’t really like GS with mesmer so I don’t want to have one.

I saw some of your videos about mesmer in WvW and how you played it, so I think that your advice about “interrupts build” is in the right way. But, I want to keep the trait “halting strike” because it can be usefull, we have so many way to interrupt. So, I might change the mantra of distraction with or mantra of concentration, blink or signet of midnight. This signet is a break stun and when we use it, we blind nearby foes. Can be usefull I think against war and hammer (F1). Which one should I take ?

@Menaka : sometimes you played with a sword/torche. Why did you choose a torch ?

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Posted by: Menaka.5092

Menaka.5092

I play on Augury Rock (yes I’m french :P ). So we are fighting against guilds with 25-30 members, sometimes more, sometimes less (but unbalanced fight in our favour are not interesting).

if you play in an organized group and you are confident your group has enough boon stripping necros and mesmer to remove all the aegis/stability, interrupts might work, but from what I’ve seen it’s really hard to cleanse the constant spam of boons…

The vitality in my build is usefull because of the rune of exuberance. If I change for a full soldier build, I’ve got more power, equal thougness and less hp.

I really like hoelbrak for ranged and melandru for melee oriented builds. Travelers for more mobility or even runes of the pack… you really want at least 40-50% crit chance if you want to bring some damage to your guild (on top of your utilities).

So, I might change the mantra of distraction with or mantra of concentration, blink or signet of midnight. This signet is a break stun and when we use it, we blind nearby foes. Can be usefull I think against war and hammer (F1). Which one should I take ?

Mantra of concentration if you plan on staying with the frontlines most of the time, Blink if you are playing ranged.

@Menaka : sometimes you played with a sword/torche. Why did you choose a torch ?

For small scale/roaming is mostly useful to lose the focus (if an enemy group is focusing you, you go stealth and reposition). In the frontlines can add a decent amount of damage to your spike, work as a defense to lose the targeting of backline focusers (thieves and such) or even to blast water fields, but that requires good timing…

Also, consider that focus phantasm was broken since late October 2013 and has been fixed only recently.