Guild Wars 2

so after we saw revenant with viper runes going with torment, confusion and burning
do you think condi shatter can be viable once again?

what rev does better than mesmer (open question and discussion)

Mesmer has portal. Mesmer OP.

That’s how it goes doesn’kitten

i am serious

if we compare both builds what one does better than the other

can mesmer be viable condi shatter in teamfight?

mesmer:
have doable moa ability
portal ability
protection up time with chaos armor
blocking uptime with shield and scepter
slow condition
alacrity
nice cc with shield F3 and staff
high confusion stacking
range
rely on his illusions to proc massive stacking

revenant:
mace/axe all cleave
teleport *2
great aoe torment skills ability and utility
nice burning
higher armor
block shield is healing also
sword does nice dmg and evade
melee

Please close this topic, I want to be one of the few mesmers that have already theorycrafted the one of the most OP builds that mesmer has ever had. The moment someone posts it, all the burst/bunker builds will go into shadows due to reason how this certain semi-bunker condi one outperforms everything. You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

Niekas.3854:

You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

I don’t doubt you’ve got a good build there, but stupid statements like this don’t give anyone any confidence in your claims.

I provided clues, and yes, it is outperforming every other possible mesmer build atm, at least from metabuilds. Well, ok, I might disagree with the burst one, since this condi one cant really burst unless you manage to apply 20 stacks within 2-3 seconds, which is possible in a perfect rotation, yet again, all that – AoE. By “running around & doing nothing” i meant holding your purple bubbles and blurry-ness with random explosions all around which make people die wondering what just happened.

-PvP.

Niekas.3854:

Please close this topic, I want to be one of the few mesmers that have already theorycrafted the one of the most OP builds that mesmer has ever had. The moment someone posts it, all the burst/bunker builds will go into shadows due to reason how this certain semi-bunker condi one outperforms everything. You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

sry mate i have already theorycraft all builds possible to man….
i do still have problem with thieves…. but DH, SCRPER, ELE, REV and DR are basically easy kill i have little support in team fight

but again what is better mesmer or revenant as condi pressure?

I tried it, and theorized it back when sinister was announced for pvp.

I think it has a lot of potential given the powerful condi niche in the metagame right now.. but revenant just has an easier time of it with better condi pressure, better physical damage, and better active defenses, and perma resistance.

Viper mes may have better mobility, but it will still get instagibbed by dragonhunters even with all of its active defenses, and I see it as being a strictly inferior choice and it won’t have much, or any condi cleanse.

But we could try it to guage its success.

messiah.1908:

but again what is better mesmer or revenant as condi pressure?

It depends on the situation you are in. As I mentioned before, chrono condi shatter one excels at 1v1 and 1vXs on nodes because you can still bunker pretty well, except the only difference is that you are now dealing alot of condi damage. The best rotation ive pulled off till now was 17 torment stacks in 3 seconds, aoe. But remember, all that pressure comes with you also having teleport and 4x block + evades + whatever else mesmer can offer. And we all know teleport is often a game winner in pvp.

I’ll be honest here. When someone that has literally never posted on the forums before suddenly pipes up claiming that they have some incredible new build that’s ridiculously strong and has never been thought of before…that raises some questions. When this statement is made without any supporting evidence other than a couple of clearly outrageous claims of easy effectiveness, it answers those questions.

Q: Is this person experienced in PvP?
A: No.

Q: Is this build remotely as effective as claimed?
A: No.

Q: Are we likely to get any information other than claims of effectiveness as vague allusions to the build?
A: No.

Anyway…

I’ve been saying for quite some time now that condie chrono is a viable and strong build to run, if played right. It basically brings all the condie pressure of a normal condie shatter build, but loads on a heavy helping of cc and team support that not only makes it a strong side point skirmisher, but also a valuable asset in a team fight.

Fay.2357:

I’ll be honest here. When someone that has literally never posted on the forums before suddenly pipes up claiming that they have some incredible new build that’s ridiculously strong and has never been thought of before…that raises some questions. When this statement is made without any supporting evidence other than a couple of clearly outrageous claims of easy effectiveness, it answers those questions.

Q: Is this person experienced in PvP?
A: No.

Q: Is this build remotely as effective as claimed?
A: No.

Q: Are we likely to get any information other than claims of effectiveness as vague allusions to the build?
A: No.

Anyway…

I’ve been saying for quite some time now that condie chrono is a viable and strong build to run, if played right. It basically brings all the condie pressure of a normal condie shatter build, but loads on a heavy helping of cc and team support that not only makes it a strong side point skirmisher, but also a valuable asset in a team fight.

I will re-quote this message when you jump on the new band-wagon of that certain build, same as all of you who talked **** about the first bunker builds ~ lol. I for sure have to be active on the forums to prove myself at being good PvPer ~ There are reasons some builds are meant to not be shared with public, so the game stays fresh and interesting to play. Im happy NA “pro” scene kinda stayed out of the Bunker boredom.

Niekas.3854:

I will re-quote this message when you jump on the new band-wagon of that certain build, same as all of you who talked **** about the first bunker builds ~ lol. I for sure have to be active on the forums to prove myself at being good PvPer ~ There are reasons some builds are meant to not be shared with public, so the game stays fresh and interesting to play. Im happy NA “pro” scene kinda stayed out of the Bunker boredom.

You can quote him all you like, but anyone can claim a build as theirs after the fact.

Jumping in after a new meta comes in and saying “I came up with it first!” is completely meaningless, because you have no proof of that.

If you are confident it’s the new meta, and everyone will jump on it, post your build. Then when everyone is using it, you can point at the post, and actually have evidence to verify your claims.

As it is, all you are doing is looking like a child trying to make us think you’re an adult.
Good luck with that.

Fay.2357:

I’ve been saying for quite some time now that condie chrono is a viable and strong build to run, if played right. It basically brings all the condie pressure of a normal condie shatter build, but loads on a heavy helping of cc and team support that not only makes it a strong side point skirmisher, but also a valuable asset in a team fight.

??

My experience with your posts on the subject has so far been “condi isn’t meta and it never will be.”

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Fay.2357:

I’ve been saying for quite some time now that condie chrono is a viable and strong build to run, if played right. It basically brings all the condie pressure of a normal condie shatter build, but loads on a heavy helping of cc and team support that not only makes it a strong side point skirmisher, but also a valuable asset in a team fight.

??

My experience with your posts on the subject has so far been “condi isn’t meta and it never will be.”

That’s PvE and/or pre-chrono condie Mesmer. If you look around I’ve been rather consistent in the capabilities of chrono condie in PvP, since the first BWE actually.

Edit: Turns out I haven’t actually mentioned it on the forums much lately, must have been just primarily ingame as people ask for recommendations.

Edit2: I also find it adorable that this person is accusing me of jumping on the bunker bandwagon, hehe.

i have played this 2 builds variation
the roaming version
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAreWlknhy0YbawRNwsGL4GVZAsa/Sdser5KaudS7AA-TZRHABDcIA0d/hAeCAIVGAgTAAA

the point holder version
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAreWncfClphtpB2fCEgiFijyMASgFquS/0QFN0eoOA-TZRHABDcIAC4JAgUZg23fAgTAAA

the first version is great at 1v1 and 2v2 as the torment and confusion is so high as you can shatter 3*3 so its great versus ele, ranger, rev, engi

the second is less pressure but more ability to stay on point while doing pressure

i play revenant and its feel like mes can do more dmg while rev has the ability to teleport fast from point to point

Niekas.3854:

Im happy NA “pro” scene kinda stayed out of the Bunker boredom.

All 10 of them? Good for them, I guess.

Niekas.3854:

I provided clues, and yes, it is outperforming every other possible mesmer build atm, at least from metabuilds. Well, ok, I might disagree with the burst one, since this condi one cant really burst unless you manage to apply 20 stacks within 2-3 seconds, which is possible in a perfect rotation, yet again, all that – AoE. By “running around & doing nothing” i meant holding your purple bubbles and blurry-ness with random explosions all around which make people die wondering what just happened.

-PvP.

What I find funny is that you don’t seem to realize you’re talking to a group of people who know the Mesmer class back to front and inside out. In other words, based purely on the way a person talks about the class, it becomes blatantly obvious just how familiar with the class they are and how much they really know.

Fay.2357:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Fay.2357:

I’ve been saying for quite some time now that condie chrono is a viable and strong build to run, if played right. It basically brings all the condie pressure of a normal condie shatter build, but loads on a heavy helping of cc and team support that not only makes it a strong side point skirmisher, but also a valuable asset in a team fight.

??

My experience with your posts on the subject has so far been “condi isn’t meta and it never will be.”

That’s PvE and/or pre-chrono condie Mesmer. If you look around I’ve been rather consistent in the capabilities of chrono condie in PvP, since the first BWE actually.

Edit: Turns out I haven’t actually mentioned it on the forums much lately, must have been just primarily ingame as people ask for recommendations.

Edit2: I also find it adorable that this person is accusing me of jumping on the bunker bandwagon, hehe.

Pyro pioneered bunker Mes.

Can also confirm hearing him waffle on about the power of Condi Chrono. Like some old man and his fishing tales.

Niekas.3854:

Please close this topic, I want to be one of the few mesmers that have already theorycrafted the one of the most OP builds that mesmer has ever had. The moment someone posts it, all the burst/bunker builds will go into shadows due to reason how this certain semi-bunker condi one outperforms everything. You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

If you are talking about persistence of memory condi shatter, this is nothing new and not viable against anyone who’s MMR can be described as ‘not at the bottom of the Mariana Trench’.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Pymeowthiest pioneered bunker Mes.

Can also confirm hearing him waffle on about the power of Condi Chrono. Like some old cat and his fishing tales.

Fixed, might as well get some fun out of the thread =P

Oh and OP I’d say Mesmer lays on the confusion and torment a little thicker than revenant if you can get them to hit the counter and with a good shatter rate and alacrity. Thing is rev has better access to burn and poison so I’d say it’s slightly better.

revenant doesnt need third party to do his dmg while condi mesmer needs them (illusions) so with aoe some illusion might not proc the torment and confusion even with superspeed

may this be the reason why revenant get picked over mesmer

the burning and poison on revenant is hardly noticable like on mesmer and while rev relay on energy and cd mesmer only on cd (and short one with alacrity)

messiah.1908:

revenant doesnt need third party to do his dmg while condi mesmer needs them (illusions) so with aoe some illusion might not proc the torment and confusion even with superspeed

may this be the reason why revenant get picked over mesmer

the burning and poison on revenant is hardly noticable like on mesmer and while rev relay on energy and cd mesmer only on cd (and short one with alacrity)

Yeah with vipers rev Ive spiked people with up to 17 torment stacks and 15 confusion stacks from spamming kitten like banish enchantment or chaining echoing eruption with embrace the darkness and autoattacks.

Chronomancer condi pressure can still rival rev I think, but as you’ve said its iced to shatters actually landing, and revenant is a lot harder to take down than chronomancer using a glassy amulet.

clipnotdone.9634:

Niekas.3854:

Please close this topic, I want to be one of the few mesmers that have already theorycrafted the one of the most OP builds that mesmer has ever had. The moment someone posts it, all the burst/bunker builds will go into shadows due to reason how this certain semi-bunker condi one outperforms everything. You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

If you are talking about persistence of memory condi shatter, this is nothing new and not viable against anyone who’s MMR can be described as ‘not at the bottom of the Mariana Trench’.

I would say, a multiple times improved version of what you have posted. Keep in mind that while under a node, you are going to block/evade spells to basically anything and spawn illusions for more torment/confusion. Sure they can leave you alone and go for +1, but so can you with a TP and more annoyance. #Mesmerlife. And it does work against NA/KR elites since i play during late NA / Early Korean time ~

Sharing at the current state of the game is not success, though im always pleased to meet crafty Mesmers in the fields of PvP ~

this is the build i am using
if i manage to proc 2 avengers i can burst like crazy in less than 1 sec 20 confusion and 10 torment
its high risk high reward build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAreWlknhy0YtawNNwsGL4GVZAsa/SdsWr5KaudS7AA-TZRHABeXGQo9HC4EAIwhAAgnAAA
my usual stacking is 15 torment and 15 confusion 4-6 sec and if the enemies stack together its a feast
BUT thief/rev take me in no time if i am not careful and only thinking on offence

messiah.1908:

this is the build i am using
if i manage to proc 2 avengers i can burst like crazy in less than 1 sec 20 confusion and 10 torment
its high risk high reward build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAreWlknhy0YtawNNwsGL4GVZAsa/SdsWr5KaudS7AA-TZRHABeXGQo9HC4EAIwhAAgnAAA
my usual stacking is 15 torment and 15 confusion 4-6 sec and if the enemies stack together its a feast
BUT thief/rev take me in no time if i am not careful and only thinking on offence

Why dueling? ~ Inspiration with right heal/utility spells and you are almost there. I would also rethink of Sigils.

Niekas.3854:

clipnotdone.9634:

Niekas.3854:

Please close this topic, I want to be one of the few mesmers that have already theorycrafted the one of the most OP builds that mesmer has ever had. The moment someone posts it, all the burst/bunker builds will go into shadows due to reason how this certain semi-bunker condi one outperforms everything. You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

If you are talking about persistence of memory condi shatter, this is nothing new and not viable against anyone who’s MMR can be described as ‘not at the bottom of the Mariana Trench’.

I would say, a multiple times improved version of what you have posted. Keep in mind that while under a node, you are going to block/evade spells to basically anything and spawn illusions for more torment/confusion. Sure they can leave you alone and go for +1, but so can you with a TP and more annoyance. #Mesmerlife. And it does work against NA/KR elites since i play during late NA / Early Korean time ~

Sharing at the current state of the game is not success, though im always pleased to meet crafty Mesmers in the fields of PvP ~

Are you talking about your build right now? I’m sure many people would like to see it, since it seems so op and effective…
As of now, from what I can see (I’m sorry for the possible effect it may have on your sensitivity BEWARE) you look like a nobody that likes throwing nice words around without backing them with any tangible proof.
You brag about that “most op thing ever created” without realizing you’re on the forum that knows mesmer from the inside out and have theorycrafted since the release of the game.
I have seen builds, horrible and godly ones, no matter who backed them up and what sort of claim they made, but they posted it. They posted their builds and people could talk it over and criticise it like the community we are.
You, on the other hand, look like you’re bluffing claiming a straight flush while you could very well have absolutely nothing.
The only thing you ever posted is in this very topic, so tell me, ô grand master of mesmer build crafting, where do you take this knowledge of having one of the most op build ever created and pray tell where you take your “facts”…

Pepsi.8907:

Niekas.3854:

clipnotdone.9634:

Niekas.3854:

Please close this topic, I want to be one of the few mesmers that have already theorycrafted the one of the most OP builds that mesmer has ever had. The moment someone posts it, all the burst/bunker builds will go into shadows due to reason how this certain semi-bunker condi one outperforms everything. You literally run around doing basically nothing while aoe applying 20 stacks of torment/confusion.

If you are talking about persistence of memory condi shatter, this is nothing new and not viable against anyone who’s MMR can be described as ‘not at the bottom of the Mariana Trench’.

I would say, a multiple times improved version of what you have posted. Keep in mind that while under a node, you are going to block/evade spells to basically anything and spawn illusions for more torment/confusion. Sure they can leave you alone and go for +1, but so can you with a TP and more annoyance. #Mesmerlife. And it does work against NA/KR elites since i play during late NA / Early Korean time ~

Sharing at the current state of the game is not success, though im always pleased to meet crafty Mesmers in the fields of PvP ~

Are you talking about your build right now? I’m sure many people would like to see it, since it seems so op and effective…
As of now, from what I can see (I’m sorry for the possible effect it may have on your sensitivity BEWARE) you look like a nobody that likes throwing nice words around without backing them with any tangible proof.
You brag about that “most op thing ever created” without realizing you’re on the forum that knows mesmer from the inside out and have theorycrafted since the release of the game.
I have seen builds, horrible and godly ones, no matter who backed them up and what sort of claim they made, but they posted it. They posted their builds and people could talk it over and criticise it like the community we are.
You, on the other hand, look like you’re bluffing claiming a straight flush while you could very well have absolutely nothing.
The only thing you ever posted is in this very topic, so tell me, ô grand master of mesmer build crafting, where do you take this knowledge of having one of the most op build ever created and pray tell where you take your “facts”…

I never claimed anything except the fact that it outperforms every other build except the burst ones. And it is related to condition damage. I also stated that I am not going to share it for obvious reasons like what happened with the recent Bunker builds where the entire EU scene is running the exact same setup. Id rather lead people to success by making them think of what they are building instead of them just copying and failing afterwards. I smell the saltyness from your side, but my 72% sPvP win rate says otherwise.

I’m not sure which is more amusing: the continual insistence that they’re for real playing with pros, or the belief that they’ve actually found a condie build that nobody has ever thought of before.

Anyway, my personal choice for condie is as follows:

Sc/sh+staff, doom/energy of course. Duel(fury, blind, de)/Ill(PoM or compounding, MtD, ineptitude)/chrono(rupt slow, IR, StM). Rabid amulet, undead runes. Heal well, blink, portal, precog, grav well.

Dueling+IR gives you incredible capacity to chain shatters for constant pressure. While the super speed on shatter or well alacrity is potentially more helpful in a 1v1, slow on interrupt is a brutally powerful trait in teamfights with the amount of cc you have, in addition to providing a cover condition. Chronophantasma could be used over StM, but I’ve been rather enjoying my quickness stomps lately.

You can hunt down +1s with portal, or jus use it for defensive assurance at home. This build is a great 1v1er, but really shines in teamfights with the massive aoe cc potential alongside the condie spread being really strong.

Edit: 72% win rate?

Pics or it didn’t happen.

This must be an EU thing because I’ve yet to have a problem with mesmers running condi in NA.
It normally follows the same pattern. They open with staff, swap to Sc/Sh, block, my illusions procs the block, block again, and then I shatter and they run off with almost no health because MW and iSwordsman hits like a truck….
Of course in the course of that they throw out the odd shatter but the conditions get cleansed and they’ve effectively blown their load with nothing to show for it.
But like I said, maybe it’s an EU thing.

I am cool as a cucumber right now, but you gotta admit that you ARE a nobody
the history of your post shows it, you had no presence before this very topic on the forums, where we theory crafted builds since the release of the game
You can’t expect us, who criticizes builds days after days in the hope of making the mesmer a better class, to simply outright believe your word (rather selfish if you excuse my opinion) on the basis of what you says…
You are totally entitled into keeping builds to yourself, but you came up with it on your own, never shared it, and then go on about claiming it’s “one of the best”, who the hell decided that? are you even in a pool of player that makes you able to claim something like that? Where are your facts coming from? (and no I personally wouldn’t count a personal win rate as a valid reason to consider a build outstanding)
We have absolutely no reason to trust you, on the very contrary, from the history of this forum, we act in a careful manner proven by the load of bullkitten that can travel on this forum. You provided nothing to back up what you said, no empirical proof or anything. It’s not valid.

Niekas.3854:

I never claimed anything except the fact that it outperforms every other build except the burst ones. And it is related to condition damage. I also stated that I am not going to share it for obvious reasons like what happened with the recent Bunker builds where the entire EU scene is running the exact same setup. Id rather lead people to success by making them think of what they are building instead of them just copying and failing afterwards. I smell the saltyness from your side, but my 72% sPvP win rate says otherwise.

You don’t have a 72% win rate. I know this because I am elite, and smarter than you. In fact, I’m a better pvper than you are.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Niekas.3854:

I never claimed anything except the fact that it outperforms every other build except the burst ones. And it is related to condition damage. I also stated that I am not going to share it for obvious reasons like what happened with the recent Bunker builds where the entire EU scene is running the exact same setup. Id rather lead people to success by making them think of what they are building instead of them just copying and failing afterwards. I smell the saltyness from your side, but my 72% sPvP win rate says otherwise.

You don’t have a 72% win rate. I know this because I am elite, and smarter than you. In fact, I’m a better pvper than you are.

Much proof, such supporting evidence!

I laugh so much whenever Fay and Alpha enter a thread.
Fay teach me your ways!

Jace al Thor.6745:

I laugh so much whenever Fay and Alpha enter a thread.
Fay teach me your ways!

Go on youtube, start trolling people
You’ll get better with time XD

Fay.2357:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Niekas.3854:

I never claimed anything except the fact that it outperforms every other build except the burst ones. And it is related to condition damage. I also stated that I am not going to share it for obvious reasons like what happened with the recent Bunker builds where the entire EU scene is running the exact same setup. Id rather lead people to success by making them think of what they are building instead of them just copying and failing afterwards. I smell the saltyness from your side, but my 72% sPvP win rate says otherwise.

You don’t have a 72% win rate. I know this because I am elite, and smarter than you. In fact, I’m a better pvper than you are.

Much proof, such supporting evidence!

Thats exactly my point ~ I let people think whatever they want since i care less about the kitten you all praise for. Joining the forums was definitely worth it, huehue.

Niekas.3854:

Fay.2357:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Niekas.3854:

I never claimed anything except the fact that it outperforms every other build except the burst ones. And it is related to condition damage. I also stated that I am not going to share it for obvious reasons like what happened with the recent Bunker builds where the entire EU scene is running the exact same setup. Id rather lead people to success by making them think of what they are building instead of them just copying and failing afterwards. I smell the saltyness from your side, but my 72% sPvP win rate says otherwise.

You don’t have a 72% win rate. I know this because I am elite, and smarter than you. In fact, I’m a better pvper than you are.

Much proof, such supporting evidence!

Thats exactly my point ~ I let people think whatever they want since i care less about the kitten you all praise for. Joining the forums was definitely worth it, huehue.

I guess getting pegged as laughingstock is enjoyable? People here may have been originally curious about your build, but now we’re just chuckling at your antics.

Niekas.3854:

Fay.2357:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Niekas.3854:

I never claimed anything except the fact that it outperforms every other build except the burst ones. And it is related to condition damage. I also stated that I am not going to share it for obvious reasons like what happened with the recent Bunker builds where the entire EU scene is running the exact same setup. Id rather lead people to success by making them think of what they are building instead of them just copying and failing afterwards. I smell the saltyness from your side, but my 72% sPvP win rate says otherwise.

You don’t have a 72% win rate. I know this because I am elite, and smarter than you. In fact, I’m a better pvper than you are.

Much proof, such supporting evidence!

Thats exactly my point ~ I let people think whatever they want since i care less about the kitten you all praise for. Joining the forums was definitely worth it, huehue.

So not being taken seriously, not backing up your claim and kitten attempt at fail trolling or whatever you call it is your goal?
Enjoy I guess

Pepsi.8907:

Jace al Thor.6745:

I laugh so much whenever Fay and Alpha enter a thread.
Fay teach me your ways!

Go on youtube, start trolling people
You’ll get better with time XD

I might have to try this.
Or leave it Fay and collect the laughs while as he makes friends.

On the the topic at hand…
For someone to say their build is OP and trashes everything(at least on metabattle, really? Let’s not use them as a reference ever) without providing evidence as to why is about as good and help as the person in the PvP forums claiming Mesmer has too many passive invulns and when you spell it out for them they blame it on the first two Chaos minor traits that give regen at 75% health and protection upon regen.
When you prove that wrong they blame THEIR L2P issue on some make believe passive aegis like chaos armor we just got since June because as a thief they think they should insta kill us.
You, like them, are acting like you don’t want any kind of criticism. Even after Messiah willing posted their build, that they like.

Niekas.3854:

Thats exactly my point ~ I let people think whatever they want since i care less about the kitten you all praise for. Joining the forums was definitely worth it, huehue.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Niekas.3854:

Thats exactly my point ~ I let people think whatever they want since i care less about the kitten you all praise for. Joining the forums was definitely worth it, huehue.

QFT

Idk if you are stupid or just can’t read, either way it’s fun. Good luck boys, gonna wait for the PMs as my winrate increases.

Niekas.3854:

Idk if you are stupid or just can’t read, either way it’s fun. Good luck boys, gonna wait for the PMs as my winrate increases.

3 days later…

Guys, my winrate is 86% now.

Guys?

Guys…?

please love me

Fay.2357:

Niekas.3854:

Idk if you are stupid or just can’t read, either way it’s fun. Good luck boys, gonna wait for the PMs as my winrate increases.

3 days later…

Guys, my winrate is 86% now.

Guys?

Guys…?

please love me

Wait, you mean you actually loose matches?

What a noob lmao

Here 71% winrate with warrior.. now praise me.
Niekas might have a similar amount of games.

PS: This thread is gold

guys stop this he is actually saying he is better than the top esl players both in gameplay and understanding the game as he out- theorycraft them
gg man and gl

let me guess you playing with shield … OP indeed
back to topic pls
is anyone here know rev build and ability to pressure? if so pls comment

Niekas.3854:

messiah.1908:

this is the build i am using
if i manage to proc 2 avengers i can burst like crazy in less than 1 sec 20 confusion and 10 torment
its high risk high reward build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAreWlknhy0YtawNNwsGL4GVZAsa/SdsWr5KaudS7AA-TZRHABeXGQo9HC4EAIwhAAgnAAA
my usual stacking is 15 torment and 15 confusion 4-6 sec and if the enemies stack together its a feast
BUT thief/rev take me in no time if i am not careful and only thinking on offence

Why dueling? ~ Inspiration with right heal/utility spells and you are almost there. I would also rethink of Sigils.

dueling give you blind on shatter and with ineptitude you create doable the confusion
so with perfect shatter i can get 24 confusion stack while without dueling i will have 15
now in good fight sometimes yo wont be able to perfectly shatter thus from 24 i will get 15. an from 15 i will get 8 so more dmg with dueling over more sustain with inspiration

messiah.1908:

dueling give you blind on shatter and with ineptitude you create doable the confusion
so with perfect shatter i can get 24 confusion stack while without dueling i will have 15
now in good fight sometimes yo wont be able to perfectly shatter thus from 24 i will get 15. an from 15 i will get 8 so more dmg with dueling over more sustain with inspiration

Hold on. I remember testing this a while ago, and at least back then, it would only ever add one or maybe two stacks of additional confusion. That’s because blinds that go on top of already active blinds do not add any confusion according to my tests back then. This means the only way you would get 9 additional stacks of confusion is, if you would shatter 9 illusions in a row (meaning you press three shatters in succession; 2 of them need to be 4-illusion shatters in melee range) and your opponent is spamming auto- or multihit-attacks like a madman (preferably with quickness active, and he actually has to"hit" you or someone else with every hit) so his blindness is getting removed fast enough for you to apply yet another one… but even then that only works if your illusions (including you) are perfectly lined up for each shatter, so that they do not hit at the same time. And if all that is the case, then said opponent would have suicided quickly even without those additional 9 stacks.

Did they actually change that?

Saturn.6591:

messiah.1908:

dueling give you blind on shatter and with ineptitude you create doable the confusion
so with perfect shatter i can get 24 confusion stack while without dueling i will have 15
now in good fight sometimes yo wont be able to perfectly shatter thus from 24 i will get 15. an from 15 i will get 8 so more dmg with dueling over more sustain with inspiration

Hold on. I remember testing this a while ago, and at least back then, it would only ever add one or maybe two stacks of additional confusion. That’s because blinds that go on top of already active blinds do not add any confusion according to my tests back then. This means the only way you would get 9 additional stacks of confusion is, if you would shatter 9 illusions in a row (meaning you press three shatters in succession; 2 of them need to be 4-illusion shatters in melee range) and your opponent is spamming auto- or multihit-attacks like a madman (preferably with quickness active, and he actually has to"hit" you or someone else with every hit) so his blindness is getting removed fast enough for you to apply yet another one… but even then that only works if your illusions (including you) are perfectly lined up for each shatter, so that they do not hit at the same time. And if all that is the case, then said opponent would have suicided quickly even without those additional 9 stacks.

Did they actually change that?

i will post video of the rotation on a golem which not attack
and you forget #3 scepter 6 stacks

messiah.1908:

and you forget #3 scepter 6 stacks

No I don’t. I’m talking about the 9 additional stacks you claim to get out of the combination of two traits. Scepter 3 is not affected by either of them.