Guild Wars 2

I have not been impressed and continue to be jealous of others. 1 is good. 2 is ok but fools no one. 3 is not good because it only ‘works’ with a certain type of stat distribution.

So:

1 – same
2 – spawn an illusionary torch-bearer (phantasm) that casts a single-target or aoe daze every (X) seconds.
3 – same as our current ‘2’ at least. Hopefully adjust spawntime of illusion to coincide with reveal of avatar. If I had to choose I’d prefer to lose the invis component over the illusion.

That my opinion at least

Its just the portal i hate. even the AI INSTANTLY can tell which is the real mesmer. Its USELESS i would LOVE one like the Ele or Thief they have the best ones.

Ours is BROKEN.

1) Vs Thief you wont be able to teleport as they go right into stealth
2) To randon, Teleport into AoE, Teleport RIGHT next to your previous location

Hell, just adjust #2 to where it at least teleports you AWAY from the stinking enemy.
P. Rogue (#3) does decent damage, and in PvE will draw a mob’s attention to it.

Rogue only does decent damage when you are loaded on power and can crit. He does jack kitten (self typed….ha!) fornl a condition spec.

What i would like is if it teleported you away and created 3 clones (destorying the ones you have up though NOT Phantasms) that are a good distance away and find a way to have it so that we are not instantly figured out which one we are by both AI and Players, Maybe remove all conditions on down or something?

We already lose all conditions when downed.
I also like the rogue, it does massive damage in power builds :o.

I really like deception. Its a 100% stomp interupter(in a teamfight), something other professions can only dream of :o.

If we didnt have he stealth it wouldnt be 100% :P.

I dont like the #4 though. It should spawn a phantasmal berserker on each pulse and give me permanent protection while i channel it. Making it interupted by damage is also silly, no other skill in the game is interupted by that. And while were at it, it should scale with healig power. Heal +100% faster per 100 healing power.
As of now, we have no chance of killing a player if were downed and theyre not. If #4 was changed like this we wouldnt have to feel so… Close to death while downed.

This #4 would only be available to mesmers ofcourse.

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

condition damage does not stop the self heal, only direct damage stops it.

wads.5730:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

condition damage does not stop the self heal, only direct damage stops it.

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

You’re either bugged, or you just don’t know what is hitting you and interrupting the channel.

Surbrus.6942:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

You’re either bugged, or you just don’t know what is hitting you and interrupting the channel.

Its not the first time it has happened so it would be nice to see whats going on, if the combat log worked i would be able to see whats going on but that is no help what so ever.

Plenty of times i have been (and have done this) dump loads of conditions onto someone and leave them to die, i have even stood by someone as the conditions ticked they would try and heal and it would instantly be stopped (without me doing anything) and them just die.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

wads.5730:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

condition damage does not stop the self heal, only direct damage stops it.

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

No, conditions don’t interrupt your heal, but even 1 point of damage will stop the heal which is why if a mesmer puts a clone on a downed person they can’t heal themself.

Durzlla.6295:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

wads.5730:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

condition damage does not stop the self heal, only direct damage stops it.

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

No, conditions don’t interrupt your heal, but even 1 point of damage will stop the heal which is why if a mesmer puts a clone on a downed person they can’t heal themself.

1 point of damage, so a condition then?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Durzlla.6295:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

wads.5730:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

condition damage does not stop the self heal, only direct damage stops it.

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

No, conditions don’t interrupt your heal, but even 1 point of damage will stop the heal which is why if a mesmer puts a clone on a downed person they can’t heal themself.

1 point of damage, so a condition then?

Condition danage doesnt interupt the heal.

Keep in mind that most condition applications also do some direct damage.

Change #2 to work without a target (not summoning a clone) and make both the clone and the real mesmer appear at the same time without that dumb arrow (or better, arrows above both).

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Durzlla.6295:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

wads.5730:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Really? they must apply them VERY fast then as i instantly get them back, personally i dont think condition damage should stop the self heal and that goes for every class.

condition damage does not stop the self heal, only direct damage stops it.

From my experience and my death just now, that is incorrect. I have many times had the heal stop thanks to the conditions that i have on myself. Though i wouldn’t be to shocked if it was bugged.

No, conditions don’t interrupt your heal, but even 1 point of damage will stop the heal which is why if a mesmer puts a clone on a downed person they can’t heal themself.

1 point of damage, so a condition then?

A poison field (e.g. thief shortbow #4) doesn’t stop downed healing because there is no direct dmg connected to it. Shortbow #2 on the other hand gives bleeding, but also an explosion (direct dmg) which stops healing.
Most skills that give conditions also causes direct damage. The condition on itself doesn’t stop healing but the direct damage from the skill does.

I typically plant a Warden or Duelist on a downed target, then move onto their friends.

They should just remove downed state altogether.

I kind of disagree there, I think the downed state is quite nice a touch. It could always be improved though, I also dislike the number 2 ability. I don’t think condi users need to lament rogue (which is still quite good even with base power), since skill #1 is a condi ability at least as much as power.

This is a silly discussion. Our downed state is tremendously powerful, and this has been discussed to death in the 80 other whine threads that have complained about it. Our 2 skill guarantees a failed stomp, and that’s all you can ask from a downed state. Our 3 phantasm hitting incredibly hard is just icing on the cake.

mesmer downed state is already one of the actually powerful ones.

Yes it is, the only thing i’d like to change is the #2 working without a target.

Iavra.8510:

Yes it is, the only thing i’d like to change is the #2 working without a target.

The other skills are okay, its this one skill that is beyond useless. It needs to be usable with no target and it needs to teleport you a min distance, how many times have you guys used it and its teleported you RIGHT next to where you were? Its pathetic.

jalmari.3906:

mesmer downed state is already one of the actually powerful ones.

All excepted Downed #2.

1) Ports you into AoE
2) Ports you right next to where you were
2.1) If you are IN stealth after ported next to where you were the finish kills you
3) INSTANTLY able to tell who the real mesmer is

While the other skills are fine, the one that is meant to buy us some time, doesnt.

Warrior has the worst down state. This thread is now done.

Well, no, that would be engineer. Warrior #2 may be bad, but engi got it worse and Vengeance is quite powerful if you live long enough to get it off.

/edit: Personal downstate rankings (on land):
1. Thief
2. Ele
3. Mesmer
4. Guardian
5. Ranger
6. Necro
7. Warrior
8. Engi

unsure about necro. Since their downed hp got fixed, they are basically able to win every downed vs downed fight, but #2 is still single target, telegraphed and easily countered.

Iavra.8510:

Well, no, that would be engineer. Warrior #2 may be bad, but engi got it worse and Vengeance is quite powerful if you live long enough to get it off.

/edit: Personal downstate rankings (on land):
1. Thief
2. Ele
3. Mesmer
4. Guardian
5. Ranger
6. Necro
7. Warrior
8. Engi

unsure about necro. Since their downed hp got fixed, they are basically able to win every downed vs downed fight, but #2 is still single target, telegraphed and easily countered.

1. Thief
2. Ele
3. Necro
4. Guardian
5. Ranger
6. Mesmer
= Warrior
= Engi

Personally think Mesmer, Engi and Warrior have the worst. Necro and Ele are strong as well, Thief as normal is the strongest.

First of all, you guys have to understand that each profession’s down skills cater to different situations. Even in a single profession, the 2nd and 3rd skills also cater to different situations. Ele’s and Thief’s stand out because those two shine the most in group fight and admit it, you spend most time in wvw in front of tower or keeps so yes ele’s down seems very prominent. Thief is good because they’re chained with Shadow Refuge. You tend to think that all downs are supposed to be defensive but they’re not. Some of them are meant to be offensive where you throw your final blow before you’re dead. They’re designed that way and they won’t be changed. Otherwise, we’d all have vapor form. Duh.

Ele has the top downed state. That’s not even a matter for discussion. Vapor form allows for actions and escapes that nothing else can even dream of.

Between thief and mes it’s a toss-up. Thief downed state is strong, but their 2 doesn’t guarantee a stomp stopper, ours does.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Thief downed state is strong, but their 2 doesn’t guarantee a stomp stopper, ours does.

Neither does ours all the time. You can be teleported RIGHT next to where you were and downed thanks to that. In my opinion, Thief Downed 2 is superior due to the one fact that it isnt random.

Ours doesn’t telport us far, can port us into AoE even the AI know exactly which one we are after using it…

Make it so thakittens a min set distance, say 600 (same as Thief) or better yet make it so that we can PICK where to port and leave a a Clone where we were and us be in stealth for 2-3 seconds

@ArmageddonAsh: The stealth on our 2 guarantees a stomp stop if you are using it correctly.

Pyroatheist.9031:

@ArmageddonAsh: The stealth on our 2 guarantees a stomp stop if you are using it correctly.

So does the Thief teleport and you said “their 2 doesn’t guarantee a stomp stopper” well yeah it does if they port away. Best time to use it is when they are just about to finish, the problem with ours is we might dodge the finish (if timed right) but we have NO control where we get ported to so could get ported right next to where we were or even get ported into AoE damage…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Pyroatheist.9031:

@ArmageddonAsh: The stealth on our 2 guarantees a stomp stop if you are using it correctly.

So does the Thief teleport and you said “their 2 doesn’t guarantee a stomp stopper” well yeah it does if they port away. Best time to use it is when they are just about to finish, the problem with ours is we might dodge the finish (if timed right) but we have NO control where we get ported to so could get ported right next to where we were or even get ported into AoE damage…

The thief 2 can easily be countered with skilled use of a blink, or even easier with another thief using steal. The mesmer 2 can not be countered. It guarantees the block of as many stomps as there are people trying to stomp you, and the reasonable duration stealth means that the timing is not very difficult to use.

The direction and distance of the teleport is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that it stops a stomp.

Pyroatheist.9031:

The thief 2 can easily be countered with skilled use of a blink, or even easier with another thief using steal. The mesmer 2 can not be countered. It guarantees the block of as many stomps as there are people trying to stomp you, and the reasonable duration stealth means that the timing is not very difficult to use.

The direction and distance of the teleport is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that it stops a stomp.

Easily? Last second teleport doesnt always get saved by a blink and even that that requires a specific skill to be used to counter it, i wonder how long it is until that is fixed as well. We all know that Anet likes to fix bugs that are beneficial bugs and leave the ones that harm us

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Pyroatheist.9031:

The thief 2 can easily be countered with skilled use of a blink, or even easier with another thief using steal. The mesmer 2 can not be countered. It guarantees the block of as many stomps as there are people trying to stomp you, and the reasonable duration stealth means that the timing is not very difficult to use.

The direction and distance of the teleport is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that it stops a stomp.

Easily? Last second teleport doesnt always get saved by a blink and even that that requires a specific skill to be used to counter it, i wonder how long it is until that is fixed as well. We all know that Anet likes to fix bugs that are beneficial bugs and leave the ones that harm us

Our downed state functionality is not a bug.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Our downed state functionality is not a bug.

I was talking about the Stomp and Blink combo, shocked it hasnt been “fixed” yet. Same goes for the Portal+Stomp combo

Pyroatheist.9031:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Pyroatheist.9031:

@ArmageddonAsh: The stealth on our 2 guarantees a stomp stop if you are using it correctly.

So does the Thief teleport and you said “their 2 doesn’t guarantee a stomp stopper” well yeah it does if they port away. Best time to use it is when they are just about to finish, the problem with ours is we might dodge the finish (if timed right) but we have NO control where we get ported to so could get ported right next to where we were or even get ported into AoE damage…

The thief 2 can easily be countered with skilled use of a blink, or even easier with another thief using steal. The mesmer 2 can not be countered. It guarantees the block of as many stomps as there are people trying to stomp you, and the reasonable duration stealth means that the timing is not very difficult to use.

The direction and distance of the teleport is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that it stops a stomp.

Mesmer down 2 can be countered with blind. Thief pistol 5 is the real bugger.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Our downed state functionality is not a bug.

I was talking about the Stomp and Blink combo, shocked it hasnt been “fixed” yet. Same goes for the Portal+Stomp combo

Because I don’t think it’s bugged. Blink doesn’t interrupt skill just like ele’s tele. Pretty much the same reason stability help stompers get through fear, grapple or gd’s 2. Unless Anet makes it so that those skills specifically interrupt stomp, then it would be another story.

DavyMcB.1603:

Pyroatheist.9031:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Pyroatheist.9031:

@ArmageddonAsh: The stealth on our 2 guarantees a stomp stop if you are using it correctly.

So does the Thief teleport and you said “their 2 doesn’t guarantee a stomp stopper” well yeah it does if they port away. Best time to use it is when they are just about to finish, the problem with ours is we might dodge the finish (if timed right) but we have NO control where we get ported to so could get ported right next to where we were or even get ported into AoE damage…

The thief 2 can easily be countered with skilled use of a blink, or even easier with another thief using steal. The mesmer 2 can not be countered. It guarantees the block of as many stomps as there are people trying to stomp you, and the reasonable duration stealth means that the timing is not very difficult to use.

The direction and distance of the teleport is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that it stops a stomp.

Mesmer down 2 can be countered with blind. Thief pistol 5 is the real bugger.

No it can’t.

Mesmer downed state is fine. It’s among the top 3 and provides some offensive and PvE utility that the others in the top 3 don’t gain.

Alissah.9281:

We already lose all conditions when downed.
I also like the rogue, it does massive damage in power builds :o.

I really like deception. Its a 100% stomp interupter(in a teamfight), something other professions can only dream of :o.

If we didnt have he stealth it wouldnt be 100% :P.

I dont like the #4 though. It should spawn a phantasmal berserker on each pulse and give me permanent protection while i channel it. Making it interupted by damage is also silly, no other skill in the game is interupted by that. And while were at it, it should scale with healig power. Heal +100% faster per 100 healing power.
As of now, we have no chance of killing a player if were downed and theyre not. If #4 was changed like this we wouldnt have to feel so… Close to death while downed.

This #4 would only be available to mesmers ofcourse.

And #4 is the same for everyone, it’s not going to be changed. It’s purpose is to allow you a chance to get yourself up when there is no one to rally off of. Otherwise if you got downed just as an enemy died you’d have no choice but to sit there and die. In beta when the skill instead gave you brief invulnerability people would down you run away.

Also, I’ve killed plenty if people while downed. No, you’re unlikely to do it if they are full health – which is how it should be – but you’re more than capable of finishing someone off with double confusion spam, never mind that your Phantasms persist while you’re downed. That guaranteed extra time Deception gives you allows any remaining Phantasms to continue to deal damage while you spam pretty decent auto attack damage + confusion AND get a clone to spam confusion along with you.

I must have finished roughly half of the Queen’s gauntlet challenges while I was downed and my Illusions kept the boss distracted. I even beat that south sun boss (the one in the instance with all of the land mines) while being downed – it was easier than soon it the real way – and that was before the illusion PvE HP buff.

Dastion.3106:

Mesmer downed state is fine. It’s among the top 3 and provides some offensive and PvE utility that the others in the top 3 don’t gain.

Alissah.9281:

We already lose all conditions when downed.
I also like the rogue, it does massive damage in power builds :o.

I really like deception. Its a 100% stomp interupter(in a teamfight), something other professions can only dream of :o.

If we didnt have he stealth it wouldnt be 100% :P.

THIS WAS ALL SARCASM

And #4 is the same for everyone, it’s not going to be changed. It’s purpose is to allow you a chance to get yourself up when there is no one to rally off of. Otherwise if you got downed just as an enemy died you’d have no choice but to sit there and die. In beta when the skill instead gave you brief invulnerability people would down you run away.

Also, I’ve killed plenty if people while downed. No, you’re unlikely to do it if they are full health – which is how it should be – but you’re more than capable of finishing someone off with double confusion spam, never mind that your Phantasms persist while you’re downed. That guaranteed extra time Deception gives you allows any remaining Phantasms to continue to deal damage while you spam pretty decent auto attack damage + confusion AND get a clone to spam confusion along with you.

I must have finished roughly half of the Queen’s gauntlet challenges while I was downed and my Illusions kept the boss distracted. I even beat that south sun boss (the one in the instance with all of the land mines) while being downed – it was easier than soon it the real way – and that was before the illusion PvE HP buff.

I’ve modified the post you quoted slightly.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Dastion.3106:

Mesmer downed state is fine. It’s among the top 3 and provides some offensive and PvE utility that the others in the top 3 don’t gain.

Alissah.9281:

We already lose all conditions when downed.
I also like the rogue, it does massive damage in power builds :o.

I really like deception. Its a 100% stomp interupter(in a teamfight), something other professions can only dream of :o.

If we didnt have he stealth it wouldnt be 100% :P.

THIS WAS ALL SARCASM

And #4 is the same for everyone, it’s not going to be changed. It’s purpose is to allow you a chance to get yourself up when there is no one to rally off of. Otherwise if you got downed just as an enemy died you’d have no choice but to sit there and die. In beta when the skill instead gave you brief invulnerability people would down you run away.

Also, I’ve killed plenty if people while downed. No, you’re unlikely to do it if they are full health – which is how it should be – but you’re more than capable of finishing someone off with double confusion spam, never mind that your Phantasms persist while you’re downed. That guaranteed extra time Deception gives you allows any remaining Phantasms to continue to deal damage while you spam pretty decent auto attack damage + confusion AND get a clone to spam confusion along with you.

I must have finished roughly half of the Queen’s gauntlet challenges while I was downed and my Illusions kept the boss distracted. I even beat that south sun boss (the one in the instance with all of the land mines) while being downed – it was easier than soon it the real way – and that was before the illusion PvE HP buff.

I’ve modified the post you quoted slightly.

I was skimming, no need to be a kitten. The vast majority of my post has little to do with the quote. In fact the ‘edit’ was to add in the quote to give relevance to the few sentences where I talked about the #4 skill.

What’s worse is that in the Mesmer forums nowadays, someone asking for something so stupid is so common place that I don’t think twice about it not being serious.