Guild Wars 2

A lot of classes have AoE damage on their weapon, like Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Thief, Elementalist, Engineer and Mesmer. Necromancer though?
The only AoE damage source they have from weapons is the Staff and the staff is not really a power build, it’s for support or conditions.
Warhorn and focus have AoE but those are on high cd and most of them are condi and not power.

Suggestion
Dagger: Add AoE(up to 3 targets) damage to Dagger mainhand first skill, Necrotic Slash and the third chain of the first skill, Necrotic Bite.

Axe: Add AoE(up to 3 targets) damage to Axe mainhand first skill, Rending Claws and increase the damage by 10%.

I use scepter and dagger / staff. Nice aoe dmg. Use epidemic also. If you have 3-4 mobs around you. And just watch them die

bass, you didnt understand the question…

Necromancers has NO AOE CLEAVE…
every single of necromancer abilities are sustained damage

No, our power weapon’s auto attacks don’t cleave. Yes, they all should.
/captain obvious flies away

True. Our weapons don’t cleave. But almost every other weapon attacks ends up being AoE.

We have tons of AoE.

Don’t get me wrong, would love to have dagger cleave. Just saying that we do have access to a ton of AoE…

Yerffejy.6538:

True. Our weapons don’t cleave. But almost every other weapon attacks ends up being AoE.

We have tons of AoE.

Don’t get me wrong, would love to have dagger cleave. Just saying that we do have access to a ton of AoE…

Yes we have AoE, but most AoE are condition damage and not power damage. We need more power damage AoE.

Wells are great aoe. For power builds

This has been widely discussed. Necro lacks any decent form of sustained direct damage aoe. We have semi sustained condi aoe and we have burst power aoe. But no decent aoe/cleave on an auto attack. And we definately need it.

Wells are fine until the person walks out of them (wells)…..

Basically they are solid for PvE and spamming for loot bags, but you won’t get any solid DPS out of them in WvW unless the person is hard cc’ed in place.

They are good for PvE though.

Axe skill #1 and #2 are like a huge, big claw slashing the enemy. Why can’t it cleave just like swords, greatswords, or even melee axe? I wouldn’t mind for axe to have the same dps as it is currently, because it was ranged and you can move while casting #2, so yeah, comparing the damage to 100b isn’t unfair. But please Dev team, just make it cleave. We need it to cleave because not all of us likes to use staff at massive battles (or being forced to use it).

Besides, I suppose that making axe cleave wouldn’t make it suddenly overpowered.

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

Which is why it does far less damage, still no reason why it shouldn’t cleave.

bass.7123:

I use scepter and dagger / staff. Nice aoe dmg. Use epidemic also. If you have 3-4 mobs around you. And just watch them die

yeah hi, power has no aoe. wells don’t count as they are utility.

Necro’s need aoe cleave in all their AA.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

So do ranger axes, but that doesn’t stop them from aoe damage.

runeblade.7514:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

So do ranger axes, but that doesn’t stop them from aoe damage.

Bouncing is even better, than a small radius cleave.

runeblade.7514:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

So do ranger axes, but that doesn’t stop them from aoe damage.

And being nearly useless. Ranger mainhand axe is one of the worst weapons ingame.

Ok, Necromancers axe AA is bad too…
Necromancers realy need any possibility to do cleavedmg, or direct dmg aoe with low cooldown.
Dagger/Axe, a new weapon i don´t care but it is needed. Epidemic AoE is not soo high. And it´s conditionbased. Powermancers AoE is bad.

The condimancer have no problems with AoE.

But Power based build has serious problems with AoE.

runeblade.7514:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

So do ranger axes, but that doesn’t stop them from aoe damage.

bouncing != cleave

someone should mention staff autoattack piercing.

traited life blast too, for that matter.

i guess i’m that someone.

thomasgjkgwdn.4760:

someone should mention staff autoattack piercing.

traited life blast too, for that matter.

i guess i’m that someone.

the second i get something better for long range than staff i’ll switch to it. staff is not a power weapon.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

runeblade.7514:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

except that axe AA has over triple the range of any of the cleaving AA.

So do ranger axes, but that doesn’t stop them from aoe damage.

bouncing != cleave

Never said that.

Then again, necro as can just attack the two nearest enemies next to target like fireball.

runeblade.7514:

Never said that.

No, I did.

you were replying my post, therefor, that was the context.

that’s how comments work.

Lightsbane.9012:

the second i get something better for long range than staff i’ll switch to it. staff is not a power weapon.

the more on-hit/-crit stuff you can get a hold of, the better, i guess. i mean, for that kind of situation, where you get to pierce a bunch of stuff.

I realize well that we do have staff and lb that have lots of aoe and could pierce. But they are not cleaves, technically. And what we need is a slashing weapon that actually cleaves on their auto attack (not only 1 or two skills, too unreliable).

I think re working the axe auto to a cone like attack makes sense (slowly points to guard staff auto). That way the programmers wouldnt have to put the animation on each person. Yes definitely add axe #2 to behave this way as well.

Necromancers can do some good power aoe. Deathshroud #4, #5, and pierce, wells, the exploding minions, axe#3, warhorn and focus. By the way, warhorn and focus do no condition damage.
Just combine the wells with deathshround’s 50% bonus crit, and the fury when you use deathshroud trait, and you will be doing some very good aoe damage even without investing in precision.

I don’t see a problem, I see an imaginary problem.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

runeblade.7514:

Never said that.

No, I did.

you were replying my post, therefor, that was the context.

that’s how comments work.

Oh you were talking about piercing? You were replying to my post. I guess that how comment work.

magic fly.2041:

I don’t see a problem, I see an imaginary problem.

Thats because you imagine long cd aoe that equates to 1 ele meteor or fire #2 to be effective over time.

Looking at the past changes such as Deathly Perception, Near to Death, Vital Persistence, increased life force gain from skills, Spectral skills buffed and available to be used in DS, buffed DS health, Transfusion and other stuff you may like to add and the upcoming ones such as Dhuumfire procced on Life Blasts, I think its clear the devs intention is to encourage offensive (and to an extent defensive) DS play. In that mindset, refraining from introducing cleave to AAs can point the players towards Unyielding Blast and DS gameplay, so that means we might wait a lot longer than we know for a change in AAs. That said, with practice Life Blasts can pierce through most enemies successfully in situations – usually when the enemies are stacked – where other players can effectively cleave, while inflicting vulnurability and hopefully burning (the new Dhuumfire) to all enemies it hits up to 1200 range; so its not that bad as a sustained power aoe IMO.

Pregnantman.8259:

Looking at the past changes such as Deathly Perception, Near to Death, Vital Persistence, increased life force gain from skills, Spectral skills buffed and available to be used in DS, buffed DS health, Transfusion and other stuff you may like to add and the upcoming ones such as Dhuumfire procced on Life Blasts, I think its clear the devs intention is to encourage offensive (and to an extent defensive) DS play. In that mindset, refraining from introducing cleave to AAs can point the players towards Unyielding Blast and DS gameplay, so that means we might wait a lot longer than we know for a change in AAs. That said, with practice Life Blasts can pierce through most enemies successfully in situations – usually when the enemies are stacked – where other players can effectively cleave, while inflicting vulnurability and hopefully burning (the new Dhuumfire) to all enemies it hits up to 1200 range; so its not that bad as a sustained power aoe IMO.

We shouldnt be asking for a change in auto attacks. Thats unrealistic. We should just be asking for the next weapon we get to be a cleave auto attack.

spoj.9672:

We shouldnt be asking for a change in auto attacks. Thats unrealistic. We should just be asking for the next weapon we get to be a cleave auto attack.

Won’t the next weap be a melee ranged pistol that dose condi/bleed dam to a single target?

Bweaty.9187:

spoj.9672:

We shouldnt be asking for a change in auto attacks. Thats unrealistic. We should just be asking for the next weapon we get to be a cleave auto attack.

Won’t the next weap be a melee ranged pistol that dose condi/bleed dam to a single target?

Im guessing you are trying to be funny. But im not getting it. :P

The new Data mining shows that new weapon type have been added.So it looks like we might be getting 2h Axe as the new melee cleave weapon.

Banjal.7328:

The new Data mining shows that new weapon type have been added.So it looks like we might be getting 2h Axe as the new melee cleave weapon.

Source?

There is no Source,a polearm weapon was found by data mining.

Which was actually a underwater spear with the Order of Whispers skin.

Dalanor.5387:

Which was actually a underwater spear with the Order of Whispers skin.

It isnt a spear,it says Polearm under Exotic.I was on my Necro when it was linked and it said Weapon type unusable.

I see this as good news. There is no reason Necromancer cannot have cleave if the weapon’s overall dps and CC are in line with expectations. I have been asking for a 2H short range weapon with cleave, Bleed, Torment, Blind and whatever else to fill a gap in Necromancer’s tool set for a single-target Bleed applicator to compliment the scepter. Staff is primarily AoE, which is not always desired.

The other gap is in single-target long range where, again, staff is not ideal.