Guild Wars 2

What the bloody hell is going on in this thread. I popped in hoping to see some new build that beats the current accepted build with Dhuumfire and instead I get some weird kitten personal drama. Can you two take this to PM or something, this is ridiculous.

Xae Isareth.1364:

Nemesis.8593:

RS 1 is a melee AoE spell and even with higher AS it still has lower overall DPS then DS 1 which is ranged.
Someone decided to add dhuumfire to an AoE spell and use it for single target… as a meleer… instead of having higher DPS at the safety of range.

Can you show how the hell did you come to that conclusion. Even just looking at pure coefficients, DS 1 has a c/s of at most 1.0, which is about the same as RS 1 even without Reaper’s Onslaught.

Then if you add in factors such as (as far as I know) DS still uses the weapon strength of your equipped weapon and RS’s faster attack rate procing more traits, RS blows it out of the water.

The only argument you can make is that DS is ranged, but that’s like saying thieves have higher DPS with a pistol because daggers are melee.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I just did a quick check. With onsalught, I’m getting a total attack chain time of 2.075. Round up or down as you see fit. With no gear equipped, this comes to a raw tooltip DPS of (235 + 235 + 469) about 438. The sword auto attack does 469 raw tooltip DPS (391 + 469 + 547 over 3 seconds), and the dagger does 473 raw tooltip DPS.

Did you pull the cast times from the wiki? Because the 2.5s stated is out of date on there. BWE 3 reduced the aftercast by 0.2s and the wiki hasn’t updated yet.

In other words, dagger/GS/RS w/ RO all have the same DPS.

I must admit… i put my trust in the tooltip and WIKI for the AS, but there were tooltip errors in the past. I also don’t know the aftercast for for RS1…

But… as you can see it’s 1/2 AS each hit with a 3x attack chain… which is 1.5 sec without aftercast for RS1… vs 1 sec AS for DS1… depending on the aftercast of RS1, it may mean that RS1 damage at the end of the chain has to be higher then DS1 by up to 50% to be equal.

Now… first two attacks from RS1 seem to scale at less then half of what DS1 scales at… only the last hit in the chain comes even close to DS1 scaling at *1.2… compare to DS1’s 1.4 across the board.

All in all… my DS1 hits safely on average 10-12Ks… RS1 chain has to hit 17K-18Ks to topple it…
Now i’ve watched Brazil’s Bloomhunger run as full zerker reaper and i saw 3Ks+ 3Ks+ 6-7Ks+… totally at 13K-14K… not 17K…

+ melee DPS downtime.

Note:
Max dodge usage = 15-30% flat out DPS loss in a 30 sec fight.
1 dodge = 1 sec (+1 sec re-positioning which is optional…)

spoj.9672:

I dont advertise calculated dps numbers as practical in real fights. How many times do I have to point that out? Ive been saying calculations dont match reality for over 2 years. So i dont know what you are trying to accuse me of. You are taking quotes out of context, making wild assumptions and putting words in my mouth.

And as i pointed out in the other thread. Even if dps values dont match reality. Then can still be used to compare dps differences. That was the basis for me saying dagger was better than DS. Dagger 1 provides significanlty better coefficient per second than DS 1. There are many variables which effect damage uptime. But its not hard to maintain good enough uptime to beat DS in a decent group. And DS doesnt even have that great uptime due to lifeforce management and certain encounters.

No my friend, i… have been saying that claimed DPS doesn’t match reality for over 2 years… you and your elitists friends ridiculed me for saying that, don’t be sneaky now…

But ok… you finally admit your advertised numbers do not match reality.

Last thing.
Did you… or did you not claim your builds are superior then my “inferior” builds ?

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.