people need to wake up and kitten at Anet, cries and threats are the ONLY thing they respond to. if we want changes being constructive and cordial does not work! Eles kittened and they had their traits changed and IB was not nerfed, we need to do the same!
2 have no cast time, including one being decently offensive. Then 3 have a 1/4 cast time. All of which is better than 1/2, 3/4, 1 and 1.5 second casts….
Non-heal shouts really shouldn’t go above 1/2 sec cast, starts to defeat the purpose of being a shout.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
necromancer’s dev(s) is way too cautious or lazy when it comes to changes, apparently always afraid to make things a little bit too OP and therefore makes it always underpowered, just to be on the safe side.
meanwhile, the ele devs: ‘kitten balance, let’s stuff in even more of this and that, instant, with low cooldown! Lets buff everything to infinity!"
Anyways, damaging shouts should have cast time… Otherwise you could use the shouts at the same time that you are damaging with your weapon.
does it have to be a cast time tho? something like a 1sec. cooldown to all other shouts could work too. that you can shout multiple things at the same time didnt make much sense to begin with.
“Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum” – Pelopidas.2140
Gunnar’s Hold
I really hope Arena net has realized they NEED to fix reaper shouts. Because its such a huge slap in the face to show us reaper then right after show us Shiro revenant that gets an elite skill that takes 1 sec to cast and causes 3 secs of stun and has no cooldown though based on energy cost would take about 10-15 secs to cast again.
Then we see the ele shouts which do the same amount no matter how many targets they hit and have a better cast time overall. I mean if they are releasing the ele shouts with those kinds of numbers they MUST HAVE changed the reaper shouts since and just haven’t said anything. I say that but, that probably isn’t the case and once again necro will get the shaft.
Then we see the ele shouts which do the same amount no matter how many targets they hit
why is, of all things, this seen as something negative? we finally have some more (defensive) stuff that scales with the number of enemies. thats one of the few positive things about our shouts.
“Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum” – Pelopidas.2140
Gunnar’s Hold
why is, of all things, this seen as something negative? we finally have some more (defensive) stuff that scales with the number of enemies. thats one of the few positive things about our shouts.
Shoud did not offer anything new in regards of defense. We always have had aoe weakness ,aoe life force generation and a 5 condition transfer skill.
Then we see the ele shouts which do the same amount no matter how many targets they hit
why is, of all things, this seen as something negative? we finally have some more (defensive) stuff that scales with the number of enemies. thats one of the few positive things about our shouts.
Because it means the shouts are garbage on single target, aka while roaming or against a PvE boss.
A skill shouldn’t have a required number of enemies to justify its use.
Shoud did not offer anything new in regards of defense
yes they did. scaling life force generation. It’s kinda new since Anet destroyed spectral armor and spectral walk in that regard.
@zenith: thats because the numbers are kitten. obviously ideally the shouts would be as viable against a single person as against more enemies. still, i think the idea is a good one. at least for things like the heal shout “chilled to the bone” or “Rise!”
“Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum” – Pelopidas.2140
Gunnar’s Hold
Shoud did not offer anything new in regards of defense
yes they did. scaling life force generation. It’s kinda new since Anet destroyed spectral armor and spectral walk in that regard.
@zenith: thats because the numbers are kitten. obviously ideally the shouts would be as viable against a single person as against more enemies. still, i think the idea is a good one. at least for things like the heal shout “chilled to the bone” or “Rise!”
I still think it should be like this (taking Rise! as the example) : Rise! : Summons 3 jagged horros. if you hit 4 enemies, summon an addional horror; if you hit 5, summon 2 addional horrors.
That way it might be a good shout. The way it currently is is that hitting 1-3 sucks and 4-5 is…decent.
“Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum” – Pelopidas.2140
While necro shout casts are still too long, keep in mind:
Ele shouts all have delayed effects on enemies so they can be dodged, only instant effects on allies. So they’re not completely inconsistent.
Because of the ally effects ele shouts have pretty long cooldowns and no reduction trait – probably a bad choice outside specific aura or support builds.
necro shouts usually have more powerful effects on enemies (boon -> vuln conversion, condi transfer etc, massive stun/chill) + powerful self effects (unblockable, massive might stacks, long stability) … the jagged horrors still stand out as kinda laughable.
aaand…
ele shouts do even more damage so… wait no that’s kinda weird.
Anyway, the point is when you take into account weaknesses too, it’s not as clear.
While necro shout casts are still too long, keep in mind:
Ele shouts all have delayed effects on enemies so they can be dodged, only instant effects on allies. So they’re not completely inconsistent.
Because of the ally effects ele shouts have pretty long cooldowns and no reduction trait – probably a bad choice outside specific aura or support builds.
necro shouts usually have more powerful effects on enemies (boon -> vuln conversion, condi transfer etc, massive stun/chill) + powerful self effects (unblockable, massive might stacks, long stability) … the jagged horrors still stand out as kinda laughable.
aaand…
ele shouts do even more damage so… wait no that’s kinda weird.
Anyway, the point is when you take into account weaknesses too, it’s not as clear.
Very very true, but the problem also arises that if blocked or blinded, our shouts will do nothing, while the ele’s shouts will at least help his team members. I still like our shouts honestly, but….well I’m just gonna say it. The fact ele shouts do damage and have as little casting time as they do is just dang wrong and is hypocritical of ANET. It goes against every excuse and reason of weakness they’ve given for necromancer over the years, and especially their justification for making the reaper shout casting times and cooldowns as long as they are. “It’s because of the fact they do damage and can be potentially really powerful.” Bullcrap….I’m sorry but bullcrap.
Warning, here I devolve into a rant. Been trying to stay positive but, I think this reveal kinda put me over the edge.
You’ve nerfed Chill and cripple to not affect leaps and dashes, right after you revealed reaper and so many people were complaining about how hard it would be to get away from. You then nerfed chilling darkness, giving it an ICD of 5 seconds, despite the fact the only blinds we have are from well of darkness, WHICH IS A 50 SECOND COOLDOWN, and plague form! The only other blind we have is on OH dagger 4, which is easy to dodge and again, takes forever to cast. Man, sure would’ve been nice to use nightfall with chilling darkness wouldn’kitten And we still don’t know what other things they have in store for us, I’m sure a lot of the traits on Reaper will get ICD’s like blighter’s boon and Chilling force, they’ll probably also put it on Reaper’s might. We might even see them move the reaper shroud LF generation back to number 4, or make it so you only gain LF from one target when you hit them, you saw how well he was sustaining his LF off those golems….man I seem angry. I do still love necro, and look really forward to reaper but….just the hypocrisy of it all. Ha, and here I was trying to stay positive. Ahhh crud. Well least they gave Revenant weapon swap, really enjoyed what I saw in that class so there is some hope for me I guess.
A knight in shining armor is a man who never had his metal truly tested.
While necro shout casts are still too long, keep in mind:
Ele shouts all have delayed effects on enemies so they can be dodged, only instant effects on allies. So they’re not completely inconsistent.
Because of the ally effects ele shouts have pretty long cooldowns and no reduction trait – probably a bad choice outside specific aura or support builds.
necro shouts usually have more powerful effects on enemies (boon -> vuln conversion, condi transfer etc, massive stun/chill) + powerful self effects (unblockable, massive might stacks, long stability) … the jagged horrors still stand out as kinda laughable.
aaand…
ele shouts do even more damage so… wait no that’s kinda weird.
Anyway, the point is when you take into account weaknesses too, it’s not as clear.
Very very true, but the problem also arises that if blocked or blinded, our shouts will do nothing, while the ele’s shouts will at least help his team members. I still like our shouts honestly, but….well I’m just gonna say it. The fact ele shouts do damage and have as little casting time as they do is just dang wrong and is hypocritical of ANET. It goes against every excuse and reason of weakness they’ve given for necromancer over the years, and especially their justification for making the reaper shout casting times and cooldowns as long as they are. “It’s because of the fact they do damage and can be potentially really powerful.” Bullcrap….I’m sorry but bullcrap.
Warning, here I devolve into a rant. Been trying to stay positive but, I think this reveal kinda put me over the edge.
You’ve nerfed Chill and cripple to not affect leaps and dashes, right after you revealed reaper and so many people were complaining about how hard it would be to get away from. You then nerfed chilling darkness, giving it an ICD of 5 seconds, despite the fact the only blinds we have are from well of darkness, WHICH IS A 50 SECOND COOLDOWN, and plague form! The only other blind we have is on OH dagger 4, which is easy to dodge and again, takes forever to cast. Man, sure would’ve been nice to use nightfall with chilling darkness wouldn’kitten And we still don’t know what other things they have in store for us, I’m sure a lot of the traits on Reaper will get ICD’s like blighter’s boon and Chilling force, they’ll probably also put it on Reaper’s might. We might even see them move the reaper shroud LF generation back to number 4, or make it so you only gain LF from one target when you hit them, you saw how well he was sustaining his LF off those golems….man I seem angry. I do still love necro, and look really forward to reaper but….just the hypocrisy of it all. Ha, and here I was trying to stay positive. Ahhh crud. Well least they gave Revenant weapon swap, really enjoyed what I saw in that class so there is some hope for me I guess.
that is the thing necro are the ugly step child of anet and they just plain hate the class you can see it when they talk of necro and how bad they treat us. This is some what insulting but oh well just 3 more years to go.
I would like them to start airing some beta test weekends when we actually can test stuff out for ourselves.
We all know how it went with Revenant, which was be grossly underperforming even with 23rd update, vs. other professions. They saw that and responded with fixes.
Other thing is, they’ve been watching Necromancers underperforming for 3 years and haven’t done much about that, but hey!
I would like them to start airing some beta test weekends when we actually can test stuff out for ourselves.
We all know how it went with Revenant, which would be grossly underperforming even with 23rd update, vs. other professions. They saw that I responded with fixes.
Other thing is, they’ve been watching Necromancers underperforming for 3 years and haven’t done much about that, but hey!
Keep calm and
master Death Shroud
This is how it actually works. Beta is when the most class balancing happens, and when the thing comes off beta you can expect to not get meaningful changes until next xpac.
