Guild Wars 2

Remove it now , thanks.

And give us a trait in its place that gives us 3 stacks of torment instead! Or disease. Actually can we have both?

I dont think its dhuumfire thats broken. Its terror thats broken.

Conditions in pve are broken.

Carpboy.7145:

I dont think its dhuumfire thats broken. Its terror thats broken.

Troll?

Hi atse what are you doing down here?

flow.6043:

Carpboy.7145:

I dont think its dhuumfire thats broken. Its terror thats broken.

Troll?

A grandmaster with a base 4 sec of burning is completely fine. But a master that does 2k per sec, combined with loss of control of their character is a tad OP

Carpboy.7145:

flow.6043:

Carpboy.7145:

I dont think its dhuumfire thats broken. Its terror thats broken.

Troll?

A grandmaster with a base 4 sec of burning is completely fine. But a master that does 2k per sec, combined with loss of control of their character is a tad OP

2k terror? How much condi damage you have? 4000?

With 2k condi dmg (not hard with stacks) terror is 1k x 2 with another condi on them, which if you don’t youre doing it wrong

I guess, that`s why the old pre-dumbfirepatch terror-builds were beyond broken and necros were flooding tournaments and wvw alike…. oh wait.

Or is it because setting up a proper fear chain actually involves active play, timing and positioning while dumbfire is a passive on-hit brainafk monkey trait? So many questions…

Moon.6371:

I guess, that`s why the old pre-dumbfirepatch terror-builds were beyond broken and necros were flooding tournaments and wvw alike…. oh wait.

Or is it because setting up a proper fear chain actually involves active play, timing and positioning while dumbfire is a passive on-hit brainafk monkey trait? So many questions…

Engis have that as an adept, along with tons of confusion. Granted its being moved to master, but they also have the ability to easily maintain 25 stacks of might in a fight. But there burn trait is fine? How is necros OP and theres isn’t? Necros is also a shorter duration.

atse complaining dhuumfire instead of champ farm? That’s new.

Terror doesn’t hit for 2k a second, it’s around 1k (1,3k with almost max CD). Fear can be stunbreaked and cleansed.

Being CC to death by any class/stunwarrior (7-8 sec cooldown on their Earthshaker, hits for 3-4k on my survival build, saw numbers that were even higher) while taking a truck of direct damage from other source is no different than being feared and get hit by conditions damage. Except that in my case, Direct damage always hit for more, in WvW at least.

Carpboy.7145:

A grandmaster with a base 4 sec of burning is completely fine. But a master that does 2k per sec, combined with loss of control of their character is a tad OP

You mean a trait that is bound to a specific condition, that con be completely avoided with stability, and can only be inflicted by very few skills which can all be avoided?

On the other hand: Dhuumfire, a trait that can proc passively on everything you do and does about 70% damage of terror (only with the 50% bonus), for at least twice the duration of every fear skill but just on a 10 sec cooldown, not to mention the extra cover it provides for other damaging conditions.
Yeah, that one is fine… naaaat!

Carpboy.7145:

With 2k condi dmg (not hard with stacks) terror is 1k x 2 with another condi on them, which if you don’t youre doing it wrong

2k/sec would mean you have 4126 condition damage.
Check the formula again, also the bonus damage is 50% not 100.

Either troll or oblivious to the blatant OP-ness of Dhuumfire. And since you didn’t even know the damage modifier of Terror I’m starting to opt for the latter.

spoj.9672:

Hi atse what are you doing down here?

I’m trying to understand how people are defending dhummfire. So OP.

a t s e.9614:

spoj.9672:

Hi atse what are you doing down here?

I’m trying to understand how people are defending dhummfire. So OP.

No.
go back to your cave.

i play necro since 1st beta and i DONT WANT BURNING ON NECRO! Fix our traits , give us some more sustain but lover our condi spam , buring in this game is broken and necro have realy easy access to it.

a t s e.9614:

spoj.9672:

Hi atse what are you doing down here?

I’m trying to understand how people are defending dhummfire. So OP.

Dont use it. fixed. And its a condition, it can do 0 damage too you know. How is that OP?

Dhummfire is one of the worst traits for wvw, If they ll give my greater marks back, they can remove it. Also condition based damage can’t be op since it’s easily removable unlike direct damage spikes/bursts. I’ve never seen a condition lasting more than 1-3s vs a zerg or gang roaming party. But backstabs of thieves are instant, non-cleanseable damage, this is what I would call op.

Umut.5471:

But backstabs of thieves are instant, non-cleanseable damage, this is what I would call op.

Ahahahah. You’re kidding right? For a start to be hit hard by a thief with BS, they need to be behind you, and within 130 range. I frequently get 100-0’d by necros, where as I can’t even remember the last time i got instagibbed by a thief.

The amount of condi damage a necro can do with burning/terror and signet of spite to cover it all up is straight up stupid.

Oh yeah, and not all classes have a heal that consumes all conditions.

I’d be all for removing it if it meant them reverting all the nerfs it directly caused. It will never be balanced short of them peeling our bleeds to the point where the only viable condition build is one involving Dhuumfire.

Give me back easy access to greater and unblockable marks without giving up on my anti-gibbing trait and you can do whatever you want with Dhuumfire.

I have an Idea, kittening Death Shroud….

That thing is literally made by DEATH, and since launch it looked like you are consumed by a black fire, make Dhuumfire BE that aura that you have during death shroud that makes people burn for 2 seconds everytime they hit you while you are in it with an internal cooldown if needed, maybe while you have the trait on, maybe move it on the defensive trait so DS won’t be as useless as it is now.

Wishmaster.7693:

Give me back easy access to greater and unblockable marks without giving up on my anti-gibbing trait and you can do whatever you want with Dhuumfire.

I have an Idea, kittening Death Shroud….

That thing is literally made by DEATH, and since launch it looked like you are consumed by a black fire, make Dhuumfire BE that aura that you have during death shroud that makes people burn for 2 seconds everytime they hit you while you are in it with an internal cooldown if needed, maybe while you have the trait on, maybe move it on the defensive trait so DS won’t be as useless as it is now.

I like this compromise!

Maesk.8753:

Umut.5471:

But backstabs of thieves are instant, non-cleanseable damage, this is what I would call op.

Ahahahah. You’re kidding right? For a start to be hit hard by a thief with BS, they need to be behind you, and within 130 range. I frequently get 100-0’d by necros, where as I can’t even remember the last time i got instagibbed by a thief.

The amount of condi damage a necro can do with burning/terror and signet of spite to cover it all up is straight up stupid.

Oh yeah, and not all classes have a heal that consumes all conditions.

Perplexity engi’s, thiefs and mesmers say hi.. And in zergs what really kills people is direct damage, so much condition removal skills it makes dhuumfire hit like a match.

#nerfguardianburning?

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

#nerfguardianburning?

Please do! Searing druid op!

I rolled a necro because people call out the other classes I play as, cheap, easy, forgiving, OP etc. Please tell me what class in this game isn’t OP? My options are running out

a t s e.9614:

Remove it now , thanks.

a t s e.9614:

I’m trying to understand how people are defending dhummfire. So OP.

Such cogent arguments. So persuasive.

ionix.9054:

I rolled a necro because people call out the other classes I play as, cheap, easy, forgiving, OP etc. Please tell me what class in this game isn’t OP? My options are running out

Necro in pve.

Carpboy.7145:

With 2k condi dmg (not hard with stacks) terror is 1k x 2 with another condi on them, which if you don’t youre doing it wrong

2k damage is too much? I honestly don’t see it, not with the absurd numbers other class can put out in the same amount of time.

Terror doesn’t actually do 2k dmg. I heard that from someone else on the forums and i was wrong. But to counter with “bring stability” isn’t that helpful. Some classes have much easier access to stability than others. I’d think you would understand this given your only access to stability is a grandmaster trait. You can’t tell me every WvW build or Spvp build has stability.

Terror and dhuumfire arent OP by themselves. But together they can get a little out of hand, on top all the bleeds and poison a condi necro will put out. I had a dream last night that fear interrupted, and perplexity terror necros were destroying everyone.

Carpboy.7145:

You can’t tell me every WvW build or Spvp build has stability.

No, but they should have stunbreaks, which are just as effective for stopping Terror damage.

Terror and dhuumfire arent OP by themselves. But together they can get a little out of hand, on top all the bleeds and poison a condi necro will put out. I had a dream last night that fear interrupted, and perplexity terror necros were destroying everyone.

Feel glad it can’t happen in PvP, since the Perplexity Runes don’t exist there. Much to everyone’s relief.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2BDhrk1.jpg[/IMG]

NERF TERROR AND DHUUMFIRE ! BUFF BACKSTAB !

ps: an engineer complaining about necromancers, i can’t stop laughing…

Nemesis.8593:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2BDhrk1.jpg[/IMG]

NERF TERROR AND DHUUMFIRE ! BUFF BACKSTAB !

ps: an engineer complaining about necromancers, i can’t stop laughing…

Nice pure glass thief. I feel bad for the naked level 2 you backstabbed.

If that picture isn’t biased, I don’t know what is.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Feel glad it can’t happen in PvP, since the Perplexity Runes don’t exist there. Much to everyone’s relief.

Actually it would have been better if Perplexity existed in sPvP as well, because then they would have been nerfed already.

Maesk.8753:

Nemesis.8593:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2BDhrk1.jpg[/IMG]

NERF TERROR AND DHUUMFIRE ! BUFF BACKSTAB !

ps: an engineer complaining about necromancers, i can’t stop laughing…

Nice pure glass thief. I feel bad for the naked level 2 you backstabbed.

If that picture isn’t biased, I don’t know what is.

I am confused… i am saying that Dhuumfire ticking for 1328 damage per second + Terror ticking for 2000 damage per second, both calculated at exactly 4000 condition damage… this is OP… this can not be…

We all know how bad thieves are… i am asking for a nerf to the clearly OP necromancer, it’s absolutely ridiculous to do 3328 damage per second for a few seconds (damage that can be negated entirely) once you get to 4000 condition damage…

Thieves clearly have it so hard… please buff thieves… and bunker engineers…
Especially bunker engineers…
This skill – Automated Response: currently gives you PERMANENT IMMUNITY to conditions while under 25% health…
that’s wayyyyy to UP, i suggest a buff to 50% health. Engineers must be PERMANENTLY IMMUNE to condition damage while under 50% health…

Make these two changes and nerf the necromancer and we are set for Esports… weeeeee i can’t wait…

Nemesis.8593:

This skill – Automated Response: currently gives you PERMANENT IMMUNITY to conditions while under 25% health…

I just duelled one of those engis in WvW. I’m not sure I would’ve won if I wasn’t running a hybrid build. On the other hand, engis wouldn’t stand a chance against necros without this trait…

And btw, that 22k backstab might have worked a million patches ago, now you simply don’t get such numbers unless you hit some poor upleveld who’s naked and has zero trait points.

A few week ago i got a 10k backstab followed by a 10k heartseeker and died. With pvt warrior. I have no idea how is this possible. Sorry for off, i just wanted to share with you.

flow.6043:

Nemesis.8593:

This skill – Automated Response: currently gives you PERMANENT IMMUNITY to conditions while under 25% health…

I just duelled one of those engis in WvW. I’m not sure I would’ve won if I wasn’t running a hybrid build. On the other hand, engis wouldn’t stand a chance against necros without this trait…

And btw, that 22k backstab might have worked a million patches ago, now you simply don’t get such numbers unless you hit some poor upleveld who’s naked and has zero trait points.

Backstab still works…a friend of mine – mesmer fully Ascended stats 2200 armor. Got hit by a backstab for 18806. Backstab players still exist you just don’t see as many. I dueled that thief, thank god he was a decent player or i would of been mad.

Dalanor.5387:

A few week ago i got a 10k backstab followed by a 10k heartseeker and died. With pvt warrior. I have no idea how is this possible. Sorry for off, i just wanted to share with you.

thats easy to do, the thief will pass out and die if you tickle him though.

Terror isnt OP and has bin ingame since start ( I have 1900 Condi-Dmg with 25stax + 5stax Guard.) I have Terror ticks for 1200 when other Conditions is on. (noway near 2k) Dhumfire is hitting for less then half of that. Together they hit hard no question, and u feel it if a Necro with 1900 Con-Dmg opens with Signet of Spite on you then Torment and Insta-Fear.

But here is the kicker Thieves: You want your traits,Speccs your Builds and DONT want to waste Minor Traits on Condi-Cleanse cause that interfer in your dmg-builds. Well its boring but its needed so plz dont come here and whine if u dont trait them.

No1 whined about a class like Necro Before Dhumfire but I can say from 1,5+ year playing this Class (beta tested) Condi-Necros could ALWAYS kill offensive Thieves with no problems at all, Dhumfire didnt change that and Terror was already there.

Specc right, whine less and remember as a stealth class YOU pock the kitten fights !!!

Rave

Ravezaar.4951:

Terror isnt OP and has bin ingame since start ( I have 1900 Condi-Dmg with 25stax + 5stax Guard.) I have Terror ticks for 1200 when other Conditions is on. (noway near 2k) Dhumfire is hitting for less then half of that.

With 1900 cond dmg burning will tick 803/sec, terror: 777/s or 1165/s with other conditions on your target. And (assuming you’re in WvW when you include guard stacks) Dhuumfire will tick 7-8 times if not cleansed.

Nemesis.8593:

Maesk.8753:

Nemesis.8593:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2BDhrk1.jpg[/IMG]

NERF TERROR AND DHUUMFIRE ! BUFF BACKSTAB !

ps: an engineer complaining about necromancers, i can’t stop laughing…

Nice pure glass thief. I feel bad for the naked level 2 you backstabbed.

If that picture isn’t biased, I don’t know what is.

I am confused… i am saying that Dhuumfire ticking for 1328 damage per second + Terror ticking for 2000 damage per second, both calculated at exactly 4000 condition damage… this is OP… this can not be…

We all know how bad thieves are… i am asking for a nerf to the clearly OP necromancer, it’s absolutely ridiculous to do 3328 damage per second for a few seconds (damage that can be negated entirely) once you get to 4000 condition damage…

Thieves clearly have it so hard… please buff thieves… and bunker engineers…
Especially bunker engineers…
This skill – Automated Response: currently gives you PERMANENT IMMUNITY to conditions while under 25% health…
that’s wayyyyy to UP, i suggest a buff to 50% health. Engineers must be PERMANENTLY IMMUNE to condition damage while under 50% health…

Make these two changes and nerf the necromancer and we are set for Esports… weeeeee i can’t wait…

I’m saying that by using that picture to ‘prove’ thieves are OP is stupid. Since You clearly attacked a naked low level. If you have video proof of you one hitting a fully leveled fully geared player, I’ll gladly believe your picture.

Also, In response to your complaints about engie, sure, they might be immune to conditions while under 25% health, but that leaves them very vulnerable to physicial burst. It’s a risk/reward situation.

Also, how can you even complain about that when necros have a heal that is also a full condi cleanse every 25 seconds?

ps. No need to be a sarcastic kitten .

Nemesis.8593:

Maesk.8753:

Nemesis.8593:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2BDhrk1.jpg[/IMG]

NERF TERROR AND DHUUMFIRE ! BUFF BACKSTAB !

ps: an engineer complaining about necromancers, i can’t stop laughing…

Nice pure glass thief. I feel bad for the naked level 2 you backstabbed.

If that picture isn’t biased, I don’t know what is.

I am confused… i am saying that Dhuumfire ticking for 1328 damage per second + Terror ticking for 2000 damage per second, both calculated at exactly 4000 condition damage… this is OP… this can not be…

We all know how bad thieves are… i am asking for a nerf to the clearly OP necromancer, it’s absolutely ridiculous to do 3328 damage per second for a few seconds (damage that can be negated entirely) once you get to 4000 condition damage…

Thieves clearly have it so hard… please buff thieves… and bunker engineers…
Especially bunker engineers…
This skill – Automated Response: currently gives you PERMANENT IMMUNITY to conditions while under 25% health…
that’s wayyyyy to UP, i suggest a buff to 50% health. Engineers must be PERMANENTLY IMMUNE to condition damage while under 50% health…

Make these two changes and nerf the necromancer and we are set for Esports… weeeeee i can’t wait…

I’m confused as to whether you’re being sarcastic or just trolling. Seeing as no one could ever get 4k condition damage…

Lawlll you mean a thief is complaining about necro damage. And dhummfire no less.

Pls.

Sorry you didn’t roll-cleanse out of the condition that only procs every 10 seconds.

Wait a second I get it. It’s because the thieves don’t have enough sustain or deal enough damage. Buff thieves especially p/d cuz they don’t blind enough times. Or tp enough. Or invis enough. lol

Maesk.8753:

Also, how can you even complain about that when necros have a heal that is also a full condi cleanse every 25 seconds?

ps. No need to be a sarcastic kitten .

OMG ikr! Cuz every 25 seconds we are allowed to cleanse all dem conditions after we go invis or invuln or slap on the stability. Pls dude lol. EVERY 25 seconds is a dream. Or just before you do stop and tell everyone not to CC you so you can heal. XD

TheDevice.2751:

Lawlll you mean a thief is complaining about necro damage. And dhummfire no less.

Pls.

Sorry you didn’t roll-cleanse out of the condition that only procs every 10 seconds.

Wait a second I get it. It’s because the thieves don’t have enough sustain or deal enough damage. Buff thieves especially p/d cuz they don’t blind enough times. Or tp enough. Or invis enough. lol

Sounds to me like you have literally no idea what you’re talking about. One thing to remember is that thieves burst comes from melee range. where as a necro can lay down a lot of condi burst from 900/1200 range.

Also, no one runs that cleanse on dodge trait, want to know why? Because it only removes crippled and weakness. It’s actually a pretty bad trait.

Also, p/d using excessive blinds? Do you even play this game? p/d is the thieves condi set. It has quite low burst and kills via attrition. It also has no blinds built into the weapon set.

Maesk.8753:

Sounds to me like you have literally no idea what you’re talking about. One thing to remember is that thieves burst comes from melee range. where as a necro can lay down a lot of condi burst from 900/1200 range.

So a condition fight vs a necro is a great idea. Who doesn’t play this game?

Also, no one runs that cleanse on dodge trait, want to know why? Because it only removes crippled and weakness. It’s actually a pretty bad trait.

Fair enough but still a decent trait since all of the necro’s best defense come form cripples and weakness. So your choice to think otherwise.

Maesk.8753:

Also, p/d using excessive blinds? Do you even play this game? p/d is the thieves condi set. It has quite low burst and kills via attrition. It also has no blinds built into the weapon set.

Do you even play a thief? Why would you make a point that it has no built-in blinds in the set? As if that’s some major point. It doesn’t need them built in since there are 3 potential blinds. Do you know what a smoke field is and a projectile finisher is? Am I suppose to be the one informing you?

TheDevice.2751:

Maesk.8753:

Sounds to me like you have literally no idea what you’re talking about. One thing to remember is that thieves burst comes from melee range. where as a necro can lay down a lot of condi burst from 900/1200 range.

So a condition fight vs a necro is a great idea. Who doesn’t play this game?

Also, no one runs that cleanse on dodge trait, want to know why? Because it only removes crippled and weakness. It’s actually a pretty bad trait.

Fair enough but still a decent trait since all of the necro’s best defense come form cripples and weakness. So your choice to think otherwise.

Maesk.8753:

Also, p/d using excessive blinds? Do you even play this game? p/d is the thieves condi set. It has quite low burst and kills via attrition. It also has no blinds built into the weapon set.

Do you even play a thief? Why would you make a point that it has no built-in blinds in the set? As if that’s some major point. It doesn’t need them built in since there are 3 potential blinds. Do you know what a smoke field is and a projectile finisher is? Am I suppose to be the one informing you?

Woah there, slow down a little. First, p/d has no smoke field, where am I getting that from? Am I running it as a utility instead of something actually useful? I guess the second blind is from the trait in shadow arts (blind on stealth), wheres the third from? Another utility? Basically the blinds you’re mentioning have nothing to do with a particular weapon set like you implied.

Unless you were mistaking p/d for d/p this whole time?

Second, I never said a condi fight against a necro was a good idea. Anywhere in my post. A condi fight against a necro is indeed a bad idea, why? Because of your full cleanse heal, high HP and condi transfers.

Third, That traits is actually really bad. Why would you ever run it when you could run vigorous recovery or fleet of shadow instead?

Pretty sure the blind spam from thieves is supposed to be X/P

Maesk.8753:

Woah there, slow down a little. First, p/d has no smoke field, where am I getting that from? Am I running it as a utility instead of something actually useful? I guess the second blind is from the trait in shadow arts (blind on stealth), wheres the third from? Another utility? Basically the blinds you’re mentioning have nothing to do with a particular weapon set like you implied.

Unless you were mistaking p/d for d/p this whole time?

Second, I never said a condi fight against a necro was a good idea. Anywhere in my post. A condi fight against a necro is indeed a bad idea, why? Because of your full cleanse heal, high HP and condi transfers.

Third, That traits is actually really bad. Why would you ever run it when you could run vigorous recovery or fleet of shadow instead?

I never said it had a built-in smoke field. I said it has 3 potential blinds. Based on a utility sure. But you’re saying p/d has no blinds im saying it does. Like saying dhummfire has no effect since its in a trait line that provides no condition damage or crit chance.

You want to complain about what then exactly? The necro’s range on stacking conditions? Like… MoB? You don’t have enough dodges? Scepter auto attacks? Should necro’s also primarily stack conditions in melee range AND have the worst escapes and mobility in the game?