Guild Wars 2

Waffler.1257:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

I run a hybrid condi build, it only takes one scepter attack to get ’m out of DS.

vid plz

XD I fail, made a vid but found the glitch in what I meant with one scepter attack… I was thinking of when I did 1.6k dmg with scepter attack 3 which does more damage on foes with conditions…. Elementalists with DS above 90% hp don’t have conditions on ’m

But here’s the video anyways:
http://youtu.be/N3jIZYbAUzw

edit:
Even without conditions it still hits for good damage but on a tanky ele with good healing you’ll only stand a little bit of a chance if you do it when he leaves water atunement.

Yeah…testing against the NPC means jack squat since they don’t have any traits or (apparently) a heal skill/utilities. I’m not even sure if the ele one switches attunements (it might).

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

maybe change builds? If your build doesn’t work and mine does then its not your opponents fault or is it?
But I do agree, it’d be kinda tricky even with my hybrid necro let alone with a full-condi one.

Need to try out more things, do more research and eventually we’ll find some way to overcome the DS hurdle.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

maybe change builds? If your build doesn’t work and mine does then its not your opponents fault or is it?
But I do agree, it’d be kinda tricky even with my hybrid necro let alone with a full-condi one.

Need to try out more things, do more research and eventually we’ll find some way to overcome the DS hurdle.

Because your build doesn’t really work against DS eles. It requires the damage multipliers from having conditions on the target to deal enough damage to break DS. In other words, you require conditions on him to deal enough direct damage to apply conditions to him in the first place.

Rabid Gear and a Sigil of Air… Boom 10% of the ele’s life, gone, every 3 seconds. Lol

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

maybe change builds? If your build doesn’t work and mine does then its not your opponents fault or is it?
But I do agree, it’d be kinda tricky even with my hybrid necro let alone with a full-condi one.

Need to try out more things, do more research and eventually we’ll find some way to overcome the DS hurdle.

Because your build doesn’t really work against DS eles. It requires the damage multipliers from having conditions on the target to deal enough damage to break DS. In other words, you require conditions on him to deal enough direct damage to apply conditions to him in the first place.

with the conditions applied it does do 50% more damage but it’ll still knock ’m out of his DS but only barely… What does help is the Dagger no. 4 bounce. It bounces very fast and should be able to take ’m out of DS more easily.

Otaur.9268:

Rabid Gear and a Sigil of Air… Boom 10% of the ele’s life, gone, every 3 seconds. Lol

Sigil of Air is amazing

The funny thing is that DS promote “spam condi” game style.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

maybe change builds? If your build doesn’t work and mine does then its not your opponents fault or is it?
But I do agree, it’d be kinda tricky even with my hybrid necro let alone with a full-condi one.

Need to try out more things, do more research and eventually we’ll find some way to overcome the DS hurdle.

Because your build doesn’t really work against DS eles. It requires the damage multipliers from having conditions on the target to deal enough damage to break DS. In other words, you require conditions on him to deal enough direct damage to apply conditions to him in the first place.

with the conditions applied it does do 50% more damage but it’ll still knock ’m out of his DS but only barely… What does help is the Dagger no. 4 bounce. It bounces very fast and should be able to take ’m out of DS more easily.

Explain to me how it bounces with only one target?

Truthfully, your lack of knowledge is astounding and makes it extremely difficult to take you seriously.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

maybe change builds? If your build doesn’t work and mine does then its not your opponents fault or is it?
But I do agree, it’d be kinda tricky even with my hybrid necro let alone with a full-condi one.

Need to try out more things, do more research and eventually we’ll find some way to overcome the DS hurdle.

Because your build doesn’t really work against DS eles. It requires the damage multipliers from having conditions on the target to deal enough damage to break DS. In other words, you require conditions on him to deal enough direct damage to apply conditions to him in the first place.

with the conditions applied it does do 50% more damage but it’ll still knock ’m out of his DS but only barely… What does help is the Dagger no. 4 bounce. It bounces very fast and should be able to take ’m out of DS more easily.

Explain to me how it bounces with only one target?

Truthfully, your lack of knowledge is astounding and makes it extremely difficult to take you seriously.

I think he just confused it with focus 4 was all, which actually does what he described, although it’s definitely more potent in a crit burst build.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As a full condition necro in sPvP a single DS ele can completely shut me down. Anyone saying that you can just just this skill or that skill has clearly never actually faced a DS ele.

They heal nearly 500/s and heal again every time they hurt you. I’ve had an ele literally just stand there in one spot without moving while I used every CD, every utility and all my death shroud skills on him and he ended up at 99% health. The cast time on our weapons is enough for them to heal to full between each cast. He never has to swap out of water attunment because you literally can’t hurt him. Even if they are only doing 100dps you will still lose.

maybe change builds? If your build doesn’t work and mine does then its not your opponents fault or is it?
But I do agree, it’d be kinda tricky even with my hybrid necro let alone with a full-condi one.

Need to try out more things, do more research and eventually we’ll find some way to overcome the DS hurdle.

Because your build doesn’t really work against DS eles. It requires the damage multipliers from having conditions on the target to deal enough damage to break DS. In other words, you require conditions on him to deal enough direct damage to apply conditions to him in the first place.

with the conditions applied it does do 50% more damage but it’ll still knock ’m out of his DS but only barely… What does help is the Dagger no. 4 bounce. It bounces very fast and should be able to take ’m out of DS more easily.

Explain to me how it bounces with only one target?

Truthfully, your lack of knowledge is astounding and makes it extremely difficult to take you seriously.

yea hadn’t thought of that but elementalists do often bring a secondary target for it to bounce so…

Trolololololololllolololll

I’ve faced an ele that had diamond skin and i didnt have a chance being condition bunker build he took hardly any damage and I died. I’m sure there are ways to work around it with different sigils or runes or different skill rotations. But lets face it not all builds are viable vs ALL other builds and thats something we all have to deal with. So if you want to be able to kill a diamond skin ele change your build but if you dont want to avoid those kind of eles.

emendez.3705:

I’ve faced an ele that had diamond skin and i didnt have a chance being condition bunker build he took hardly any damage and I died. I’m sure there are ways to work around it with different sigils or runes or different skill rotations. But lets face it not all builds are viable vs ALL other builds and thats something we all have to deal with. So if you want to be able to kill a diamond skin ele change your build but if you dont want to avoid those kind of eles.

The thing is, that kind of shutdown happens with literally no other specs in the entire game. A Zerker thief may have a really tough time against a bunker Guardian, but it’s possible for him to win through outplaying.

Condition necro vs. Diamond Skin Ele? You can’t outplay constant immunity. You could have the top Necro in the world on the condition necro and some guy who had never played the game before on the Ele who was told to “just hit ‘a’ and ‘d’ to keep the other guy on screen and press ‘1’” fight each other, and I would seriously be betting on the ele.

It’s one thing to have a big advantage over another build. It’s another to be guaranteed a win in the matchup because they literally can’t do anything to you.