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Not heard anything about part 2 since the last podcast where he said he would try to get it out a week after the podcast. Its now delayed about 2 weeks or more. Can we get some more info about this? Probably quite a few of us waiting for the video.

Try asking this on his channel instead of the forum? Believe it or not, not everyone here like him so me, for example, consider this spam and free promotion.

I also believe he said he would have a video of his “nosferatu build” coming soon, which also seem to be delayed?

@Ithir Darkleaf, His content is at least usually targeted at the Necro community, so I wouldn’t say it is not relevant to this forum. Whether people like something or not has nothing to do with if something is relevant or not.

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Try asking this on his channel instead of the forum? Believe it or not, not everyone here like him so me, for example, consider this spam and free promotion.

Why should I try his channel? This is about GW2. This is the official GW2 forum. Just because you disagree with him doesn’t mean his content isn’t about GW2. Part 2 is about Necromancer and last time I checked this was the necromancer forum.

Why do people that dislike him bother to write? Just go away and write in topics you enjoy. Don’t need to take a dump on everyone else’s parade.

MeveM.7913:

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Try asking this on his channel instead of the forum? Believe it or not, not everyone here like him so me, for example, consider this spam and free promotion.

Why should I try his channel? This is about GW2. This is the official GW2 forum. Just because you disagree with him doesn’t mean his content isn’t about GW2. Part 2 is about Necromancer and last time I checked this was the necromancer forum.

Why do people that dislike him bother to write? Just go away and write in topics you enjoy. Don’t need to take a dump on everyone else’s parade.

Maybe because you are asking about a specific content creators videos. This is the official forums so its not the best place to ask about unofficial gw2 stuff. So it would make more sense to ask him directly. As far as im aware he doesnt even read these forums that much anymore.

Also just because he makes gw2 stuff. Doesnt mean everyone knows about his stuff on here. Its likely something only he himself can answer. So its pointless asking here. The people that would know are him and his loyal fans. Which you can find on his channel, not here.

The last news I got was from Brazil saying that Nemesis is currently busy with his life and this delayed his video. Nemesis kept saying that it will come soon, but it still hasn’t come.

Seems like you’re wrong Spoj, what a surprise.
I did get a answer from Silverkey. Thank you.

It’s really funny to see how people that dislike someone jump on a bandwagon.

MeveM.7913:

Why should I try his channel?

spoj.9672:

The people that would know are him and his loyal fans. Which you can find on his channel, not here.

Silverkey.2078:

The last news I got was from Brazil …

MeveM.7913:

Seems like you’re wrong Spoj, what a surprise.
…
It’s really funny to see how people that dislike someone jump on a bandwagon.

Oh, the irony.

LOL

I heard in Part 2 he wants to proof E=mc2 is a lie, but needs more time to get sufficient evidence. May take another week.

maybe he fell off the edge of the earth

MeveM.7913:

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Try asking this on his channel instead of the forum? Believe it or not, not everyone here like him so me, for example, consider this spam and free promotion.

Why should I try his channel? This is about GW2. This is the official GW2 forum. Just because you disagree with him doesn’t mean his content isn’t about GW2. Part 2 is about Necromancer and last time I checked this was the necromancer forum.

Why do people that dislike him bother to write? Just go away and write in topics you enjoy. Don’t need to take a dump on everyone else’s parade.

Still they are right, in that this is not the best place to ask this.
The only one that really knows is Nemesis or those close to him, and they’re more likely to lurk around on his youtube channel or maybe even his old reddit post or something.

That said, besides real life and the fact calculating purely on logs takes ages; my best guess would be that he had to adjust his entire video and script, because he made the video around the time the last balance patch came around. And that changed a few things about ice bow and also some things for necro balance (scepter changes / axe changes / etc).

Personally I’m not a huge fan of him, but I don’t hate him either. He makes some decent video’s; but it would be tons better without the attitude and inflated ego. But I guess that’s way of pumping up views.
However he raised some interesting and valid issues in the first video (e.g. , so I’m interested to see the second video if that ever comes out.

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Try asking this on his channel instead of the forum? Believe it or not, not everyone here like him so me, for example, consider this spam and free promotion.

not sure why people wont like him, everything he says is based on a lot of tests

@Ithir Darkleaf @spoj
Why. Why bother posting here at all. Are you guys that bored?

Too much drama for nothing.

Matt Stacey.7415:

@Ithir Darkleaf @spoj
Why. Why bother posting here at all. Are you guys that bored?

Yes i was bored. And confused at why he got so offended at people for simply suggesting his channel would be the better place to ask. Felt an overwhelming urge to point out the logic of asking on the channel instead of here. Just because this is the official gw2 forum doesnt mean its the best place to ask for all things gw2 related. But apparently it makes me a bad person for pointing that out.

Wow I laughed so hard. Thx guys.

Korga can take a while to solo.

Part II and III will be done before Hearth of Thorns comes out, and will be released at the same time…

If everything goes according to plan, and it never does apparently… i should release them tomorrow and then i scheduled to be part of a podcast discussing the videos on the 22nd… featuring Brazil, Teapot… and who ever wishes to challenge me.

Would also like to take the opportunity to thank once again to all the people who send me their plays, sorry if you didn’t make it in the video though… there’s simply no way to fit everything into two videos even…

Twitch chat accepts any challange.

Nemesis.8593:

… and who ever wishes to challenge me.

i’am very curious if some of the haters here will have the balls to do that. After reading the posts regarding your videos i doubt it.

mordran.4750:

i’am very curious if some of the haters here will have the balls to do that. After reading the posts regarding your videos i doubt it.

It’s like being issued a debate challenge by a climate change denier or Creationist, why even waste your time by taking them up on it.

Bhawb.7408:

mordran.4750:

i’am very curious if some of the haters here will have the balls to do that. After reading the posts regarding your videos i doubt it.

It’s like being issued a debate challenge by a climate change denier or Creationist, why even waste your time by taking them up on it.

A little bit backwards. It’s more like a scientist challenging a creationist to a debate on evolution. Equally as pointless but for different reasons.

Hey guys what’s going (looks in thread) JACKSON! Plane! Now! We’re going to the shiver peaks! Nobody ever goes to the shiver peaks.

Bhawb.7408:

mordran.4750:

i’am very curious if some of the haters here will have the balls to do that. After reading the posts regarding your videos i doubt it.

It’s like being issued a debate challenge by a climate change denier or Creationist, why even waste your time by taking them up on it.

Well while I like the comparison, I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. A climate change denier or Creationist just says utterly stupid things. Nemesis often (not always) says true things but he unfortunately dilutes them in a flow of insults, inaccuracies and excessive generalizations.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Hey guys what’s going (looks in thread) JACKSON! Plane! Now! We’re going to the shiver peaks! Nobody ever goes to the shiver peaks.

+1

Silverkey.2078:

Bhawb.7408:

mordran.4750:

i’am very curious if some of the haters here will have the balls to do that. After reading the posts regarding your videos i doubt it.

It’s like being issued a debate challenge by a climate change denier or Creationist, why even waste your time by taking them up on it.

Well while I like the comparison, I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. A climate change denier or Creationist just says utterly stupid things. Nemesis often (not always) says true things but he unfortunately dilutes them in a flow of insults, inaccuracies and excessive generalizations.

I think we must be referring to two different nemesis’s. Theres an occasional truth hidden among a sea of bull.

spoj.9672:

Silverkey.2078:

Well while I like the comparison, I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. A climate change denier or Creationist just says utterly stupid things. Nemesis often (not always) says true things but he unfortunately dilutes them in a flow of insults, inaccuracies and excessive generalizations.

I think we must be referring to two different nemesis’s. Theres an occasional truth hidden among a sea of bull.

Well maybe I filter a bit too much his message. But for me the short version is:

• Many people follow blindly the metabattle or similar meta guides, without understanding why the meta is shaped this way and without necessarily having the skills to survive glass cannon. Yet, those people feel confident enough to blame necromancers for doing no damage while the tankiness of necro allows it to keep the damage even when things go wrong for others.
• A PUG will not break speed clear records. So the lower DPS that a necro brings will not make a huge difference in the final time of the dungeon. You may actually loose more time waiting for the specific class you want than if you played immediately with the necro.
• a few details: “ice bow too strong” (especially on large hotbox enemies or with line casting), “time warp at the end except if fight is short enough”, “prebuffing/corner stacking (which is anyway not so useful since FGS fix) can be a waste of time” etc…

But then there is the name calling, the inaccuracies (e.g. even if phalanx warrior did less DPS than necro, it will still be more useful because of party buffs) and a lot of theatrical effects which helps making his videos known but also prevent the message from being heard.

The first bullet point is a prime example of complete bull and wild generalisations.

None of those are anything special though. The major points he goes out of his way to make are largely wrong, and then he gets small facts right. Which is exactly why I made the examples I did, they get the small facts right but their overarching conclusions and arguments are wrong, just like the assertions about ice bow abuse, dps calculations, and pugs being largely wrong.

Also want to say something about pugs: if you are in a pug group and there aren’t enough buffs and you are on Necro, you are directly responsible for the lack of buffs. Don’t bring up “well there are no buffs so its fine I play Necro since DPS won’t matter as much”, when the fact is if you swapped to PS you’d immediately cover those buffs solo.

Bhawb.7408:

Also want to say something about pugs: if you are in a pug group and there aren’t enough buffs and you are on Necro, you are directly responsible for the lack of buffs. Don’t bring up “well there are no buffs so its fine I play Necro since DPS won’t matter as much”, when the fact is if you swapped to PS you’d immediately cover those buffs solo.

Why would it be “directly” necro’s fault? If I play a mesmer and there is not enough buffs, is it my fault?

You can only control yourself, if you choose to play a profession that doesn’t contribute to the group in any meaningful way (which Necro doesn’t), then you are at fault for the lack of buffs, especially since it is so easy to swap classes and go from 0 might to perma 25. So yes if you were on any other profession and did the same it is your fault.

I agree with spoj and Bhawb. Buried under the fecal matter there are some gold nuggets, but rummaging feces is not a hobby of mine so I’ve lost any interest I had in nemesis’ claims long ago.

What is he even going to talk about now that IB is nerfed? 95% of his first video was just whining about haters and crying about IB…

What does a new video even accomplish 3 days before an expansion? Every build, meta and boss relevance goes completely out the window on Friday.

What? The other thread got deleted already? What a surprise…

Skoigoth.9238:

What? The other thread got deleted already? What a surprise…

Gee I wonder why

No worries, it was to be expected… that’s why i planned, like i said in the podcast, to do a clean version with just the conclusions.

That version won’t have any of the fights displayed because there is nothing to fill the time of the fights with, since the drama will be taken out, but who ever wishes to verify the fights can watch part II and III.

I got wrongfully discredited and insulted for over 2 years, and i kept ignoring it…

As long as i will play Guild Wars 2 i will remind everyone once in a while, that Nike, Spoj and other elitists told the community sinister engineer and staff elementalist do 20.000 DPS, promoting a totally unrealistic meta which led to a very toxic gaming environment just to get popular on YouTube.

Two years i kept ignoring the elitists and everything they said… and i even warned them what would happen if they didn’t stop, they refused to listen.

Give it a few weeks… people will test their real DPS… and then we can have some fun.

I think there is one undeniable way to establish who is right here. On one side we have group of people claiming that (berserker) meta is the only way to be efficient at high level Fractals, while on the other hand we have Nemesis (there are more people for sure, but he stands out) who claims that (berserker) meta is a lie and that it was Icebow meta.

Now, here is (more or less) simple test for both sides which can show who is right and who is not:

I challenge both sides to form party of their choosing and do as many Fractals as they want and record and present any run they wish (I assume they would want to show fastest run, but who knows). However, there are some rules.

1. “Berserker meta” party should obviously use only berserker builds. “Berserker meta” party cannot have Necromancers or Rangers in it.

2. “Anti berserker meta” party must have at least one Necromancer and/or Ranger (preferably 1 of each). “Anti berserker meta” party can use any set up they want (even if it is full berserker since the “berserker meta” excludes Necromancer and Rangers), however, for sake of everyone I hope they will use more diverse build setup.

3. They will agree on number of maps and which maps they will test so that certain mechanics don’t affect one type of builds. I suggest that each team suggests 2 maps which means they will have to test between 2 and 4 maps (preferably 2). At the end they must show best run for each map.

If they agree on it, they can select only 1 map of course.

4. Build changing is allowed but as long as it doesn’t affect type of the build in which the Fractal started (no changing power to condition or hybrid damage build for example).

5. Since the point of meta in general is to present ways to do things in most efficient way, each video must show run from the moment teams are in until the moment last boss is dead. This is to account for build changing, since spending time to change build before encounter is not really efficient and goes against the very idea of meta setup.

You can both keep presenting your calculations, but I don’t think average Joe will understand half of it. However, I do think that this is situation that needs a closure because meta has divided community and created toxicity and that is a FACT. Now let’s see if it was justified or it was just BS created by certain minority which majority accepted without asking questions.

P.S. I will create separate topic with this just so it gets more attention. I hope you won’t mind.

AngryBear.8741:

I think there is one undeniable way to establish who is right here. On one side we have group of people claiming that (berserker) meta is the only way to be efficient at high level Fractals, while on the other hand we have Nemesis (there are more people for sure, but he stands out) who claims that (berserker) meta is a lie and that it was Icebow meta.

Now, here is (more or less) simple test for both sides which can show who is right and who is not:

I challenge both sides to form party of their choosing and do as many Fractals as they want and record and present any run they wish (I assume they would want to show fastest run, but who knows). However, there are some rules.

1. “Berserker meta” party should obviously use only berserker builds. “Berserker meta” party cannot have Necromancers or Rangers in it.

2. “Anti berserker meta” party must have at least one Necromancer and/or Ranger (preferably 1 of each). “Anti berserker meta” party can use any set up they want (even if it is full berserker since the “berserker meta” excludes Necromancer and Rangers), however, for sake of everyone I hope they will use more diverse build setup.

3. They will agree on number of maps and which maps they will test so that certain mechanics don’t affect one type of builds. I suggest that each team suggests 2 maps which means they will have to test between 2 and 4 maps (preferably 2). At the end they must show best run for each map.

If they agree on it, they can select only 1 map of course.

4. Build changing is allowed but as long as it doesn’t affect type of the build in which the Fractal started (no changing power to condition or hybrid damage build for example).

5. Since the point of meta in general is to present ways to do things in most efficient way, each video must show run from the moment teams are in until the moment last boss is dead. This is to account for build changing, since spending time to change build before encounter is not really efficient and goes against the very idea of meta setup.

You can both keep presenting your calculations, but I don’t think average Joe will understand half of it. However, I do think that this is situation that needs a closure because meta has divided community and created toxicity and that is a FACT. Now let’s see if it was justified or it was just BS created by certain minority which majority accepted without asking questions.

P.S. I will create separate topic with this just so it gets more attention. I hope you won’t mind.

Uhh I’m gonna go ahead and say that this is a quite silly idea, mainly because there’s a difference between playing berserker, playing actual meta builds, actually knowing what you play and playing an optimal group comp for a dungeon/fractal etc.

Besides, Necros/Reapers are godkitten Vuln-trains now and Vampiric Support is pretty amazing in fractals; Rangers always had Spotter and Frost Spirit, on top of that Condi Rangers are pretty good right now from what I’ve heard, being the second best condi class behind the unbeatable engi?
The issue why those classes weren’t taken often is because there were a ton of idiots who can’t play and don’t bring anything to the group, so you’re stuck with some Ranger who knocks away mobs on 1500 range while his bear steals aggro even though you might need it due to kiting mobs etc. or Necs who camp staff, almost falling asleep during that and running three utilities that have no use whatsoever. A crappy warrior generally still throws banners, a crappy guard more often than not still uses reflects and brings aegis, thief throws at least SR every now and then…
It simply wasn’t worth it for most people to deal with the morons who slow down progress and don’t even feel like contributing.
I think I got kicked from a total of 5 or so parties for being a Necro. I started back in Nov 2012 and mainly pugged, most of the time on Nec.

But you’re saying Necros and Rangers are good now, but they are still being underrated and kicked from parties because of this general idea that was established in ppl’s minds.

Like I said in separate thread I made about this, I have no idea what results will be. This is just a way to silence one side and stop endless wars regarding this issue and most important of all, either prevent kicking ppl just based on class they play, or give Anet something to think about regarding balance of those excluded classes.

I doubt, after presenting such videos, losing side (whoever that may be) would have any validity in their claims whatsoever.

No, as I said, they’re kicked because most rangers and necs don’t know their class + don’t bring a thing for the party on top of that, that’s why lots of people don’t want to take the risk. Necro had that issue for a long time because there was virtually nothing of importance Nec had that another class couldn’t do better
Also, being good/useful doesn’t mean optimal, that’s important too.

AngryBear.8741:

I think there is one undeniable way to establish who is right here. On one side we have group of people claiming that (berserker) meta is the only way to be efficient at high level Fractals, while on the other hand we have Nemesis (there are more people for sure, but he stands out) who claims that (berserker) meta is a lie and that it was Icebow meta.

Now, here is (more or less) simple test for both sides which can show who is right and who is not:

I challenge both sides to form party of their choosing and do as many Fractals as they want and record and present any run they wish (I assume they would want to show fastest run, but who knows). However, there are some rules.

1. “Berserker meta” party should obviously use only berserker builds. “Berserker meta” party cannot have Necromancers or Rangers in it.

2. “Anti berserker meta” party must have at least one Necromancer and/or Ranger (preferably 1 of each). “Anti berserker meta” party can use any set up they want (even if it is full berserker since the “berserker meta” excludes Necromancer and Rangers), however, for sake of everyone I hope they will use more diverse build setup.

3. They will agree on number of maps and which maps they will test so that certain mechanics don’t affect one type of builds. I suggest that each team suggests 2 maps which means they will have to test between 2 and 4 maps (preferably 2). At the end they must show best run for each map.

If they agree on it, they can select only 1 map of course.

4. Build changing is allowed but as long as it doesn’t affect type of the build in which the Fractal started (no changing power to condition or hybrid damage build for example).

5. Since the point of meta in general is to present ways to do things in most efficient way, each video must show run from the moment teams are in until the moment last boss is dead. This is to account for build changing, since spending time to change build before encounter is not really efficient and goes against the very idea of meta setup.

You can both keep presenting your calculations, but I don’t think average Joe will understand half of it. However, I do think that this is situation that needs a closure because meta has divided community and created toxicity and that is a FACT. Now let’s see if it was justified or it was just BS created by certain minority which majority accepted without asking questions.

P.S. I will create separate topic with this just so it gets more attention. I hope you won’t mind.

Well… it doesn’t have to be that complicated.

I have shown the real HP values of the bosses, the elitists can now very easily “back up” all their “claimed DPS” with their premade groups.

Failing to do so would mean that all of their calculations are wrong, which means all their conclusions are wrong… which means they tricked the entire community into kicking necromancer and ranger players for absolutely no reason for two years, well… other then to gain YouTube popularity.

You can’t go “my build does 20.000 DPS, kick all necromancers who do 10K DPS” and when you can finally prove you do 20.000 DPS… suddenly you stay quiet.
They can never take back their claims… or how they spread necro and ranger hate on false premises.

That’s just how it is…

I respectfully disagree because if you kick Necro right after he joins a party or write in LFG tool “no necros” then you are not doing it because he doesn’t know how to play their class. You are doing it based on pure prejudice. Or maybe you want to tell me that number of necros that can’t play their class is somehow significantly larger than number of eles that can’t play their class, if taking a necro is a risk, but taking an ele isn’t? I have never heard of the case of ele being kicked from the party just because being an ele.

@ Nemesis

Like I said, your work is something majority wouldn’t understand. I am not claiming you are right or worng, I am just saying we need objective and simple way everyone can understand to show who is right and who is wrong.

Think of it this way, if you make “non berserker meta” party and manage to do lvl 50 fractal in better or even similar time as them, then you have proven that there is no meta at all, there are just good and bad players and builds. Don’t forget that in all honesty, for the other side it is not just enough to win, they must win by significant margine, because if you base "most efficient: claim based on 5% difference, then it is beyond elitism to kick ppl for 30 second shorter run (for example).

AngryBear.8741:

I respectfully disagree because if you kick Necro right after he joins a party or write in LFG tool “no necros” then you are not doing it because he doesn’t know how to play their class. You are doing it based on pure prejudice. Or maybe you want to tell me that number of necros that can’t play their class is somehow significantly larger than number of eles that can’t play their class, if taking a necro is a risk, but taking an ele isn’t? I have never heard of the case of ele being kicked from the party just because being an ele.

@ Nemesis

Like I said, your work is something majority wouldn’t understand. I am not claiming you are right or worng, I am just saying we need objective and simple way everyone can understand to show who is right and who is wrong.

Think of it this way, if you make “non berserker meta” party and manage to do lvl 50 fractal in better or even similar time as them, then you have proven that there is no meta at all, there are just good and bad players and builds. Don’t forget that in all honesty, for the other side it is not just enough to win, they must win by significant margine, because if you base "most efficient: claim based on 5% difference, then it is beyond elitism to kick ppl for 30 second shorter run (for example).

Exactly, that is why I appreciate your intention, but… two parties going against each other have 10 human variables to consider, people would never accept anything of the sort… they would much rather go for “fake math”.

My way… has only 5 human variables instead of 10.
It’s not 5 players vs 5 players… it’s 5 players who prove they can achieve what they advertised.

It’s much more acceptable to the majority… If i boss has 100.000 HP… and you do 10.000 DPS, the boss should die in 10 seconds.

It’s simple… it’s elegant… it’s logical…

Although they will not do it, because they can’t… and they know this… you saw when Nike insulted me 5 months ago while claiming “corner-stacking doesn’t exist”.
I told him “don’t make me add all the damage from your own fights and show everyone it doesn’t match what you advertise, not even by half”… you saw how he got quiet all of a sudden and deleted all his posts.

Anyway… considering making a clean version of all these facts which should remain on the forums.

Although… HoT… is not doing so great… it might be very foolish of me to invest even more time and effort on GW2 YouTube content… which is such a shame, because the expansion is amazing…

I’ll see what i’ll do.

PS: still will post 1-2 builds for old times sake, and this time they won’t be wrongfully discredited like all my previous work. None of the elitists will dare say a single word to me now.

AngryBear.8741:

I respectfully disagree because if you kick Necro right after he joins a party or write in LFG tool “no necros” then you are not doing it because he doesn’t know how to play their class. You are doing it based on pure prejudice. Or maybe you want to tell me that number of necros that can’t play their class is somehow significantly larger than number of eles that can’t play their class, if taking a necro is a risk, but taking an ele isn’t? I have never heard of the case of ele being kicked from the party just because being an ele.

Please, read my posts again.
The important factor here is that Necros and Rangers barely bring things to their group when played badly/with the wrong setups. Thus many people don’t risk it and just kick on sight because there’s a high chance he’s kitten and not bringing anything to your party. A bad ele still often rolls staff so that you have decent dps + fire fields to utilize, there’s still a high chance they have ice bow and at least spawn an earth elemental now or then. So even though they’re kitten, they at least bring something you can properly utilize.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

No, as I said, they’re kicked because most rangers and necs don’t know their class + don’t bring a thing for the party on top of that, that’s why lots of people don’t want to take the risk. Necro had that issue for a long time because there was virtually nothing of importance Nec had that another class couldn’t do better
Also, being good/useful doesn’t mean optimal, that’s important too.

This is bs. How can you know if a necro is good or not. We are being kicked instantly. Its the mindset behind this, not an actual reason.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

AngryBear.8741:

I respectfully disagree because if you kick Necro right after he joins a party or write in LFG tool “no necros” then you are not doing it because he doesn’t know how to play their class. You are doing it based on pure prejudice. Or maybe you want to tell me that number of necros that can’t play their class is somehow significantly larger than number of eles that can’t play their class, if taking a necro is a risk, but taking an ele isn’t? I have never heard of the case of ele being kicked from the party just because being an ele.

Please, read my posts again.
The important factor here is that Necros and Rangers barely bring things to their group when played badly/with the wrong setups. Thus many people don’t risk it and just kick on sight because there’s a high chance he’s kitten and not bringing anything to your party. A bad ele still often rolls staff so that you have decent dps + fire fields to utilize, there’s still a high chance they have ice bow and at least spawn an earth elemental now or then. So even though they’re kitten, they at least bring something you can properly utilize.

… see what i mean AngryBear ? Icebow did nothing to targets with a small hitbox without the linecasting exploit (which doesn’t work anymore btw) even before it was nerfed in half, and elementalist staff auto-attack DPS is laughable, yet people still cling to it.

See… what 2 years of misleading information has done to the community.

My friend… i can explain it to you, but i can’t understand it for you.

Take your favorite elementalist build, and test out your REAL DPS in a fight of your choosing, you don’t have to tell me what it is… because i already know it… i know all the values, all the real HP values and so on…

Do it… and after that if you still wish to argue with me, i will agree to everything you say.

Probably 2/3 of the bosses in the game are faster to kill with direct damage, and the berserker/Fbow meta is the pure implementation of this. Thats why people demand it. Its a bit faster to complete a dungeon that way.
On other hand many of this super fast parties wipe a lot and all the respawning and running back is balancing the total “dungeon run” time in the end. There are some well oiled parties that wipe rarely and they have the slight advantage.
BUT unless you are doing some record or competition, the time wasted in non zerk group is negligible.

Nemesis.8593:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

AngryBear.8741:

I respectfully disagree because if you kick Necro right after he joins a party or write in LFG tool “no necros” then you are not doing it because he doesn’t know how to play their class. You are doing it based on pure prejudice. Or maybe you want to tell me that number of necros that can’t play their class is somehow significantly larger than number of eles that can’t play their class, if taking a necro is a risk, but taking an ele isn’t? I have never heard of the case of ele being kicked from the party just because being an ele.

Please, read my posts again.
The important factor here is that Necros and Rangers barely bring things to their group when played badly/with the wrong setups. Thus many people don’t risk it and just kick on sight because there’s a high chance he’s kitten and not bringing anything to your party. A bad ele still often rolls staff so that you have decent dps + fire fields to utilize, there’s still a high chance they have ice bow and at least spawn an earth elemental now or then. So even though they’re kitten, they at least bring something you can properly utilize.

… see what i mean AngryBear ? Icebow did nothing to targets with a small hitbox without the linecasting exploit (which doesn’t work anymore btw) even before it was nerfed in half, and elementalist staff auto-attack DPS is laughable, yet people still cling to it.

See… what 2 years of misleading information has done to the community.

My friend… i can explain it to you, but i can’t understand it for you.

Take your favorite elementalist build, and test out your REAL DPS in a fight of your choosing, you don’t have to tell me what it is… because i already know it… i know all the values, all the real HP values and so on…

Do it… and after that if you still wish to argue with me, i will agree to everything you say.

Oh… oh wow. lol

Nice to blow things out of context. You should’ve been aware that I was talking about the past here, because back then ice bow was a major reason to take an ele, even before linecasting (which I wasn’t even around for and I think that’s silly anyway)
Yes, you hardly use ice bow now, especially not against small target because as you noticed, there’s barely a reason if you don’t need Deep Freeze.
Also, fire staff AA is laughable? Properly traited you also have a 100% uptime on lava font, which additionally increases your DPS + you have meteor shower, which, again does more DPS against large hitboxes and hordes of trash but is still good. On top of that, there’s all the utility staff offers (no, it isn’t all about dps, who would’ve thought) and for the times where staff really doesn’t cut it, there’s still setups like D/F.
I don’t even play Ele much because I can’t keep up with the proper rotations and I know that lol

Besides, information is there to be shared, yes. However, people should be wary of what information they consume and expand their knowledge based on said information, verifying it on their own and checking what it exactly says. If someone says “Necromancer has no place in an optimal group setup”, then that doesn’t mean Necromancer is bad, just that it doesn’t offer the best way to get something done. If people interpret it as “Necromancer is bad” then that’s the fault of the people and, quite frankly, the lack of their brain/their willingness to use it, not the fault of the person who gave out the information. That’s given the information is true, of course. This applies to virtually anything anyway.

Nemesis.8593:

Take your favorite elementalist build, and test out your REAL DPS in a fight of your choosing, you don’t have to tell me what it is… because i already know it… i know all the values, all the real HP values and so on…

By testing “real dps” you mean people should go to pvp and hit invulnerable golem couple of times?