You it would be dumb to take a stun break and a stack of stability on either a 10 ro 7 second cool down? Especially in the current meta of stun chains? Hardly useless. You state in your arguments having both Chilling Victory and Decimate defenses which are both in the game trait line.
There is no stun break in curses or death magic, the two trait lines I advised against. Are you even reading my words? Why would you take fury, which is a boon, which can be taken or corrupted, over 50 flat crit chance in shroud? Or 50 flat crit chance when the enemy has 25 vuln, the thing almost all classes pump out like water from Niagara falls.
Exactly. That’s the point. They are in a traitline which you will probably take anyway, therefore making curses useless. And any argument about crit chance you have will meet this same answer.
An ability on a 5 second cool down when traited? It’s a waste to use it as much as possible?
Your experience in pvp must be little. Would you use a gap closer on an enemy that is standing still? Why would you? As if other classes only have 1 way to get away from you. Why waste it when you can save it for when you actually need to gap close? So you don’t get cced and kited? Use your brain?
You do realize that an ability that not only keep you on a target, can do a good amount of damage, blinds a target, is a leap finisher and could potentionally corrupt two boons in addition to the above is not a waste.
I have plenty of blinds on my power reaper without it. I can corrupt boons with out it. I can do damage without it. The ONLY thing, i cant do with my weapon skills and no utilities, is gap close. You just argued against yourself. It’s to keep on your target, not the be wasted everytime its up because “hurr durr dps”. 5 seconds is more than enough time for someone to get far away from you. But if you actually played this game at any decent level, you would know that.
If you’re hardly willing to use an ability with a 5 second cooldown, you must never use any of your high cool down skills.
Gotta love those strawmen. You can always tell when someone has no argument when they resort to them.
I said WASTE, not USE. Again, 5 seconds is more than enough time to get kited and cced. Use the skill when you actually need it. Not just because it’s up. In pve this barely matters, but in another mode this will get you KILLED.
You seem to be under the delusion that Death’s Charge is our only ability to keep up with people. Have you forgotten about chill? cripple?
And you seem to be under the delusions that those things can’t be cleansed or removed. Apparently forgetting the bazillion traits people have for movement impairing CC’s, and some mobs even have resistance to them.
casting flesh worm in front of you by the target? (yes, i know, it’s a radical concept but comepletely doable, give it a try).
Why use flesh wurm when you can just use deaths charge when they get away from you? What are you smoking? Also flesh wurm has a long cast time. The person probably isn’t even near its location by then. Bad argument is bad.
Which is it? Do we have natural crit chance from gear or do we have zero crit chance?
Are you dyslexic? Or ESL? Because either you didn’t read what i said, or something in your brain kittened it up so bad you got something other than what i typed.
If you run full valkyrie, cavalier or anyother gear with precision then yes, it would be useless.
Which is what a lot of reapers are using…..
Because of our crit traits….
Which i said….
Several times….
Would also mean that while you are out of reaper’s shroud you hit like a wet noodle not having any form of crit chance, relying on vuln to give you that said crit chance, a condition that can be cleansed by the way.
It’s hilarious how you argue for something out of shroud when all the traits use suggested ONLY proc when you use shroud. TOP kittenING KEK.
That’s exactly why you take blighters boon and soul reaping, and staff (life force gain is hit). And with chilling victory, you can stay is shroud for massive amounts of time, and refill your bar in seconds. Meaning you almost always have at least 75%+shround uptime.
If you take all the traits oriented for damage,in this case the precision ones, i hope you run atleast one or two defensive utilities. Yes you’ve increased your crit chance but you’ve missed out on A LOT of defensive abilities.
Don’t argue for offensive abilities then try to argue for defense in the next line. Take death wagic if you want. But as i stated before, valkyrie gear IS defensive. Sustain in shroud and hp recovery when you apply might IS defensive. Being able to refill your shroud in seconds IS defensive. Taking 10% less damage from doe IS defensive. Having 15% more shroud which is effectively 7% hp, IS defensive. Signets of suffering IS defensive.
You are blind to anything that argue’s for something you consider to be ‘meta cookie cutter’, and it’s quite sad. You would come on this forum recommending kitten half useful specs for a build that is already considered trash by elitist.
There are plently of abilities in the necro’s ability list that enable the necromancer to close in on a target.
You gave examples of TWO, out of all of our skills. And you seem to think crowd control is gap closing. It’s not buttercup.
You seem to think that necromancers have no ranged skills.
So now you are a mind reader? Please go and show me where i said this. Hell I even posted a build that uses a ranged weapon for Grenth’s sake. I never said this or implied it. You are simply doing so because you think it’s going to help your argument. It’s not.
This wasn’t ever about melee vs ranged, this was about gap closing, and using them badly. Stick to the bloody topic.
There are plenty of ranged skills that pull a target, chill or cripple a target, allowing a necromancer to catch a target.
Necro has 1 ranged pull. 1 ranged immob, and a bunch of chill and cripple, which can be cleansed, and which are reduced, by cc resistance traits, that almost every class has.
I don’t care what necromancer skills you choose or not choose to use, there are some classes that you’ll never be able to catch.
Yea, it’s called learn to play the class and you will be able to catch some of those classes. Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, you have issues catching classes even when you say “There are plenty of ranged skills that pull a target, chill or cripple a target, allowing a necromancer to catch a target”, then say this after, because you improperly use your skills, therefore leading to you being unable to catch people more often?
Nah, that would be too much work. You can’t say necromancers have plenty to catch people, then proclaim they have issues never being able to catching some classes. It’s dishonest, and an outright contradiction.
You’re telling me that you’ve never been stunned or rooted by a class and then had burst applied to you?
Things I never said for 500 Alex.
Do you not enter shroud to absorb the damage?
Don’t you?
From what you’ve said, it appears the only reason you use shroud is to spam one for might and use death’s charge as a gap closer.
I guess you forget Shroud 5 stuns and chills, which reduces damage you take by 10% from chill enemies. Shroud 4 poisons and whirls, which applies poison, and might, all while regen’ing hp, and life force if you took chilling victory. You never asked me why I enter shroud. So i think it’s funny you try to assert here that the only reason I would use shroud is for might and a gap closer. As if you couldn’t be more wrong. Is this the limit of your intellectual ability? Sad straw men and generalizations. You use my argument for a strength of a trait line as an argument that that must be the only thing shroud is good for to me.
You know when some attacks us in shroud it depletes our life force instead of our health. Are you not using it to survive? Most players zone out when they’ve stunned someone and go into an ability rotation, they hardly think of moving or dodging out the way.
Since when has player incompetence ever been a good argument for anything? By that same logic you should never advised defensive traits because most players suck.
Would you like me to tell you what weakness does? It doesn’t seem like you know.
Oh, i know what it does but you seem keen on telling me anyway, as if YOU can educate me. I wonder do you do this to anyone that doesn’t agree that all traits are equal. Must be lonely.
Weakness lowers a target’s endurance regeneration by 50%. As an example, Daredevils rely heavily on dodges. You’ve greatly reduced their ability to use consecutive dodges.
Have you played a daredevil? No seriously. You seem to think endurance generation of a class with 3 dodges, trait lines that reduce the endurance required for dodge, and skills that can REFRESH ALL ENDURANCE INSTANTLY, is an issue. Also it’s not the theif’s endurance that kills necro’s. It’s their stuns and dps.
How is this only for a power build? It’s a bordeline useful thing, but weakness is available in other ways. Which means you don’t need that trait to get it. And you also seemed to forget the other parts of that trait, which only procs on crits (not a problem for power necro), and also only procs when you enter shroud, which has a radius of 240. Which is why it’s an issue. And lets not forget the bleeding damage on a build with no condi stats. Priceless.
You yourself have stated you use vulnerability to increase your crit chance. Vulnerability is a condition, weakness is a conditon, chill is a condition, immobilize is a condition, cripple is a condition.
Which all don’t do a single bit of damage. Which is why you don’t factor them in when you are talking about CONDITION DAMAGE, because they, as stated, DO NO DAMAGE.
As a whole, Guild Wars 2 doesn’t allow power builds to have damage over time affects, that has been moved to condition builds unlike other games where damage is increased by either strenth or intellect.
Don’t even know why this was included but ok.
I would rather have a starting condition pool, increased by might to apply damage over time pressure to a target.
You can get starting conditions without taking curses. And you won’t be getting stating conditions from a radius of 240. by that time you are probably already in shroud, which means your trait won’t proc. And increased by might, which comes from spite, which you are saying not to take. Double whammy. kittening priceless.
The average player will see bleed stacks and will want to cleanse them off. Bleed stacks also cover you more usefull conditions like stated ( chill, immobilize, weakness etc). The amount of damage isn’t that grand but damage is not it’s only use.
You stated the purpose is pressure, which is done by damage, which means that IS the use. -facedesk-
Just because a trait doesn’t directly affect the raw damage of a skill, doen’t mean it’s useless.
So you argue against trait’s that affect raw damage, to argue for a trait which you yourself state is the reason you use the trait? Brilliant.
Also, kitten i never said for 500 alex. I said there are BETTER traits to use. Do you not understand what that word means?
In a PvE environment where the damage charts are all that matters then i agree but in any form of player vs player environment, pure damage is not all you need.
Again, kitten i never said for 500 alex. Go back and show me where i said “damage is all that matterz”. Got anymore strawmen?
You need traits and abilities to counter those another player has.
LOL, this is ironic considering you NEVER ONCE factored those when you started going on about weakness, and using deaths charge every time it’s up.
