Guild Wars 2

Mallyx is basically the epitome of what corruption necro should have been.

Yep. Revenant is everything the necromancer should have been. its quite frustrating.

I have 5500 hours on my necro and I’m already considering ditching it for what we just saw.

Oh boy, that was great /sarcasm.

Mace/Axe revenant:
-Torment and poison cleave on the auto attack
-Burning of course
-Confusion
-TRIPLE blast finisher
-a superior version of dark path that is more like thief’s Shadow Shot.

And then there are Corruption-like utilities, but just better.
Also, hammer got Lifesteal that actually seems to work and doesnt require any traits. Just dark wall and 100% projectile on auto attack
Really looks like the class was designed with ‘kitten YOU NECROS, just reroll already’ in mind.

fire field
3x blast finishers in a row
stability
group condi cleanse
lightning field
projectile defense
group dmg reduction
teleports/mobility
control – stuns, taunts
cleave

necros are going extinct

Bit worried that Condi Revenant will hard counter condi necro, but then again, condi necro is hard countered by AutoResponse and Diamond Skin.

Other than that… Eh. It’s hard to tell how these skills will bear out without seeing them in proper play, and in interaction with their class mechanic. All of the play we saw today was devoid of stance-switching mid-combat.

I can’t wait until we see condi Revenants stacking condis on themselves, thinking they’ll be super powerful, and then just dropping dead.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Revenant-kills-existing-professions/

Inviting you to write there as well to hopefully get Anet response.

I agree, having been a sworn necro since the release, I feel… cheated.

leman.7682:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Revenant-kills-existing-professions/

Inviting you to write there as well to hopefully get Anet response.

I agree, having been a sworn necro since the release, I feel… cheated.

What’s the point, we have been begging for a rebalance for necromancer, so that blood magic would not be totally useless, so that the class has more synergy withing it’s traits, for the past 2 something years.
What makes you believe they are gona listen now?

What i am willing to bet my arm on is that the following happens: necromancers get a specialization that gives them the great sword and thus better access to cleave and changes how they use life force, every necomancer player chooses to role as the specialized version of the class and use the gs in every build as the specialization. The base class gets extinct.

I’m not quite sure how Embrace the Darkness (Mallyx elite) works… Does it only copy conditions stacked on you or transfers them? If it doesn’t transfer, Revenant could really heavily rely on that Resistance in some builds.

Hammer auto throw looks a little bit ridiculous. Not only it looks weird on anything other than Charr or Norn (the tru races) but it’s also a very reliable 100% chance projectile finisher when having the rate of fire comparable to our Staff with only 20%.

Looks solid and nice, has strong downstate which will be usable against stealthed since you can aim a projectile without a target.

The thing that concerns me a bit is that Jalis no cooldown on taunt as long as he manages energy right.

Rym.1469:

I’m not quite sure how Embrace the Darkness (Mallyx elite) works… Does it only copy conditions stacked on you or transfers them? If it doesn’t transfer, Revenant could really heavily rely on that Resistance in some builds.

Hammer auto throw looks a little bit ridiculous. Not only it looks weird on anything other than Charr or Norn (the tru races) but it’s also a very reliable 100% chance projectile finisher when having the rate of fire comparable to our Staff with only 20%.

Looks solid and nice, has strong downstate which will be usable against stealthed since you can aim a projectile without a target.

The thing that concerns me a bit is that Jalis no cooldown on taunt as long as he manages energy right.

It only copies the conditions and, apart from resistance, they dont seem to have much condition control. I think a mallyx revenent without resistence will die rather fast…

SO, I was looking at the traits the rev gets. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA saw the first or second minor trait, where they get 2.5 seconds of stability after a dodge roll. I wanted to break something, as the rev will get damage, condition control, cc, movement and stability, where a necro gets… ds and a grandmaster trait that hardly anyone takes. ANET has so much bias, and must hate the godkitten necro. jesus

Its not just necro. By the looks of it rev will chuck every class to the dirt except ele, thief and warrior. Warrior is saved because of banners and thief because of stealth. But if rev gets a smoke field you can say goodbye to thieves aswell. Ele obv stays because of damage, icebow and fury stacking.

dude, I’m so upset that they get awesome, well thought out, synergetic traits, but we still have a dilapidated state of synergy, with some traits in lines that MAKE NO FREAKIN SENSE, LET ALONE WORK. to top it off, we still have minions that have utterly terrible responsiveness and cast times that make the fast pace of combat more difficult to manage, when compared to other classes.

Rym.1469:

I’m not quite sure how Embrace the Darkness (Mallyx elite) works… Does it only copy conditions stacked on you or transfers them? If it doesn’t transfer, Revenant could really heavily rely on that Resistance in some builds.

Hammer auto throw looks a little bit ridiculous. Not only it looks weird on anything other than Charr or Norn (the tru races) but it’s also a very reliable 100% chance projectile finisher when having the rate of fire comparable to our Staff with only 20%.

Looks solid and nice, has strong downstate which will be usable against stealthed since you can aim a projectile without a target.

The thing that concerns me a bit is that Jalis no cooldown on taunt as long as he manages energy right.

It increases all your stats by 10%
It gives you self torment each sec
It transfers all your condis to your enemies each sec

Sublimatio.6981:

Rym.1469:

I’m not quite sure how Embrace the Darkness (Mallyx elite) works… Does it only copy conditions stacked on you or transfers them? If it doesn’t transfer, Revenant could really heavily rely on that Resistance in some builds.

Hammer auto throw looks a little bit ridiculous. Not only it looks weird on anything other than Charr or Norn (the tru races) but it’s also a very reliable 100% chance projectile finisher when having the rate of fire comparable to our Staff with only 20%.

Looks solid and nice, has strong downstate which will be usable against stealthed since you can aim a projectile without a target.

The thing that concerns me a bit is that Jalis no cooldown on taunt as long as he manages energy right.

It increases all your stats by 10%
It gives you self torment each sec
It transfers all your condis to your enemies each sec

No it only copies them look here: http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gw2-revenant-mallyx-skills.jpg

Ohh, okay. Still op xD

Well, this is kinda depressing, but no matter what… I’ll keep going with my Condimancer and I can only hope they’ll adjust the current professions enough to compete with the Revenant and that the specializations are cheap-kitten kittenz put together to ‘please’ us.

its godkitten op, the entire class is op, and urinates over existing class, most specifically the necro. it has everything we don’t, and almost everything we do, minus our crappy unresponsive pets.

Sublimatio.6981:

Ohh, okay. Still op xD

True but i think condition necros will destroy them. Unless the other professions get changed massivly i think revenents will dominate pve. In pvp i am not so sure.

I for my part will enjoy killing those condition revenants that think they can get away with such amzing toys, that should rightfully be ours.

I’m going to make it my sole goal in wvw. track down and kill all revs. anet literally took our analysis and complaints regarding our class and created a new one, that will not only be useful in pve, but also useful in pvp, esp in groups. So not happy about this.

So the Witch Hunt has begun.

May Grenth lead us through the darkness!

Guys guys corruption condi necro will own this amateur, come on without the boon they are just future corpses.

Necro rework incoming tough.

based on what evidence? necro rework? Been here for 2 + years and i saw the necro go from being interesting in beta, to a little run down post beta for a year, followed by a spike in usefulness (thought over the top in condi damage) to a decrease in usefulness (due to not being able to fear/control bosses), to another decrease in usefulness due to a failure to return previous levels to normal when they reworked things (dropped dumb fire down). I REALLY do not think they devs will come back and finally get to our class after 2 years. I am still laughing that necro was 2 or 3 on the list of characters needing the most attention, and am still waiting for the same moment rangers received. Anet has an internal bias against necros, they always have, and always will, and i think it is simply down to a class mechanic that was based off a down state, and an inability to figure out how to change it without having to fundamentally alter the game code. DS still acts like a down state, always has, and has been a limited our evolution as a class. While other classes have gotten more powerful or refined, our class has simply always been sub threshold. We are good at 1 v 1 and if left unattended, we can wreak havoc, but that does not mean we bring anything to organized team play. Our limits in pve are noticeable, esp in dungeons. I am just appalled that anet never took the time to take a hard serious look at the necro after 2 years. They did with the ranger, imo, and they did with the ele, or made the attempt. We were supposed to be next up, but magically, nothing happened. oh wait, the rev happened, diff class.

Well Rev does definitely seem to be getting mechanics that Necro should be getting, IMO. I mean just calling it condition manipulation like they’ve never done is a little…. curious.

That being said, I don’t think the class will necessarily displace necros from what I’ve seen already. I do think that they’ll need to work hard to balance energy and the legend swapping. Also it seems like some things could really use cast times/animations.

I’m mostly unhappy that it seems that every Rev skill seems to have new technology or mechanics, and if they dont update current classes, it’s just going to be so much more interesting. Compare those revenant weapon skills to axe/focus. Plus, they bragged about updated UI, so I sure hope that they can update DS UI as well.

Gryph.8237:

based on what evidence? necro rework? Been here for 2 + years and i saw the necro go from being interesting in beta, to a little run down post beta for a year, followed by a spike in usefulness (thought over the top in condi damage) to a decrease in usefulness (due to not being able to fear/control bosses), to another decrease in usefulness due to a failure to return previous levels to normal when they reworked things (dropped dumb fire down). I REALLY do not think they devs will come back and finally get to our class after 2 years. I am still laughing that necro was 2 or 3 on the list of characters needing the most attention, and am still waiting for the same moment rangers received. Anet has an internal bias against necros, they always have, and always will, and i think it is simply down to a class mechanic that was based off a down state, and an inability to figure out how to change it without having to fundamentally alter the game code. DS still acts like a down state, always has, and has been a limited our evolution as a class. While other classes have gotten more powerful or refined, our class has simply always been sub threshold. We are good at 1 v 1 and if left unattended, we can wreak havoc, but that does not mean we bring anything to organized team play. Our limits in pve are noticeable, esp in dungeons. I am just appalled that anet never took the time to take a hard serious look at the necro after 2 years. They did with the ranger, imo, and they did with the ele, or made the attempt. We were supposed to be next up, but magically, nothing happened. oh wait, the rev happened, diff class.

Agree that DS holds back, I’m just speculating based on changes to stability,taunt coming,specilizations and a possible different pve meta. I do wonder since when where they working on expansion..forum specialists hopefully are the last step to start imimproving.

We will have to wait for the reveal of other utilities and maybe a new support Legend (I assume 2 new ones based on trait lines). But, for now, it looks like they’re extremaly vulnerable to condibomb and kiting the Mallyx form.

So they might have problems with Spamgineers and Necros.

Gryph.8237:

dude, I’m so upset that they get awesome, well thought out, synergetic traits, but we still have a dilapidated state of synergy, with some traits in lines that MAKE NO FREAKIN SENSE, LET ALONE WORK. to top it off, we still have minions that have utterly terrible responsiveness and cast times that make the fast pace of combat more difficult to manage, when compared to other classes.

Talk about overhype. Well thought-out traits? Half of those traits are passive procs that everyone agrees are crap since you can’t plan ahead or be countered easily with them.

Rym.1469:

We will have to wait for the reveal of other utilities and maybe a new support Legend (I assume 2 new ones based on trait lines). But, for now, it looks like they’re extremaly vulnerable to condibomb and kiting the Mallyx form.

So they might have problems with Spamgineers and Necros.

I doubt they lack the ability to keep you in melee. First they have the taunt chain in Jalis form that applies slow, then they have the Teleport chill on Axe #4, then they have 50% chance to chill on crit, then they have the Temporal Rift to pull people in.

Yea, I doubt you’ll be getting away from these guys quite easily.

ok… I was wrong… Revenant indeed gain all we could never dream to have…
More then that… Revenant actually have trait that fit their traitline!!! It’s… It’s… It must be another game classe…

Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum

Pelopidas.2140:

Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum

Pelopidas.2140:

Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum

Win

As I read about Revenant, I thought, “This is going to completely obsolete Necromancer.”

Necromancer relies heavily on chill, cripple, weakness, poison, and fear for sustain. Giving all new boons that grant immunity or conditions that replicate Necro’s mobility reducing conditions to every profession is going to make life miserable.

You can be sure that all these new boons and conditions will be available to most, if not all, other professions. Yet, you can also be sure that the developers will tell the Necromancer community the same old things: LTP, use DS for sustain, Necro has poor mobility by design, conditions are too powerful so Necro’s conditions will be nerfed.

I am sorry for the rant but every time the Necromancer community receives some small suggestion from developers that it will get an improvement, other professions end up with the same, or better.

Count on nothing changing in game balance for Necromancer except moving the profession even closer to an immobile power job. Already not that good at condition damage, Necromancer is best at auto-attacking and tanking.

Hopefully, at least one of the other professions will have a “Carry Slow Tanks” skill to lend more mobility.

My biggest concern about the Revenant is forcing the Necro out of the PvP meta, since it looks like it will do condition pressure and boon ripping better (with Malyx).

However that will also bring the number of professions that Necro is the best counter to up to three. I really wish we had more than just Corrupt Boon and Consume Conditions to make us wanted…

Pelopidas.2140:

Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum

I’ll use this as my sig. thanks~

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

My biggest concern about the Revenant is forcing the Necro out of the PvP meta, since it looks like it will do condition pressure and boon ripping better (with Malyx).

However that will also bring the number of professions that Necro is the best counter to up to three. I really wish we had more than just Corrupt Boon and Consume Conditions to make us wanted…

i just cant understand how they can give revenants the whole package.
boon rip, pretty good conditon manipulation, torment, chill, lifesteal…those are all things that are supposed to be typical necro things.
well, torment not really, thats just my wishful thinking

RashanDale.3609:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

My biggest concern about the Revenant is forcing the Necro out of the PvP meta, since it looks like it will do condition pressure and boon ripping better (with Malyx).

However that will also bring the number of professions that Necro is the best counter to up to three. I really wish we had more than just Corrupt Boon and Consume Conditions to make us wanted…

i just cant understand how they can give revenants the whole package.
boon rip, pretty good conditon manipulation, torment, chill, lifesteal…those are all things that are supposed to be typical necro things.
well, torment not really, thats just my wishful thinking

They either get lifesteal or good condition pressure, though. Hammer is where the lifesteal is, and that’s pure Power weapon. Mace/Axe is a little nuts, though. Glad they can’t have both.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

RashanDale.3609:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

My biggest concern about the Revenant is forcing the Necro out of the PvP meta, since it looks like it will do condition pressure and boon ripping better (with Malyx).

However that will also bring the number of professions that Necro is the best counter to up to three. I really wish we had more than just Corrupt Boon and Consume Conditions to make us wanted…

i just cant understand how they can give revenants the whole package.
boon rip, pretty good conditon manipulation, torment, chill, lifesteal…those are all things that are supposed to be typical necro things.
well, torment not really, thats just my wishful thinking

They either get lifesteal or good condition pressure, though. Hammer is where the lifesteal is, and that’s pure Power weapon. Mace/Axe is a little nuts, though. Glad they can’t have both.

I dont think the lifesteal on hammer is that good. Do you really only want to autoattack?

Mace/axe is indeed a little nuts but if mallyx is the only condition legend i am not sure how good a condition revenant actually will be. Mallyx seems far to risky.

My biggest fear is revenant will force all classes except ele and warrior out of the PvE meta. It looks pretty likely at this point. I wouldnt be surprised with a smoke field and then that means rev can do guard and thiefs job with just one slot. So groups can take an extra ele. I really hope im wrong and that the specialisations really are pretty amazing.

Muchacho.2390:

I dont think the lifesteal on hammer is that good. Do you really only want to autoattack?

Funny you should mention this. That hammer auto with the dark field on skill 4 has completely destroyed necros one unique use in all of PvE. And that was dark field + icebow 2 spam for fast jade maw kills (thief can do it aswell but SR has long cd and isnt enough for jade maw). Looks like i will no longer be rolling necro whenever my group gets jade maw on fractal 50 once HoT releases.

I am curious about that Mace triple blast finisher.

If I use it against a wall, will I lose some of the blasts or will they just stack?

Player vs Corner nevah dieee !

Bubi.5237:

Pelopidas.2140:

Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum

I’ll use this as my sig. thanks~

Same over here.

Well, there is one thing to cling on to for hope though: The Necromancer Specialisation. Maybe we will finally get something that will make us sought after for Dungeons… I can still dream, can’t I?… ._.

Its really frustrating though, the thing is the Mallyx-Skills are literally improved Necro-Spells… Plague Signet on Crack, Selftargeted Epidemic on Crack, non-cleansing Consume Conditions, a selfbuff-Well of Power that doesn’T rely on the type of conditions currently applied, and something a lot of Necros would kill for: a ground-targeted teleport. And most of them are on 0 CD (in fact, I believe only the healing skill has a CD). Yes, they cost energy, but seriously I’d rather have Necro-Utilities cost Life Force and 0 CD. MAYBE that will be the change to our Class-Mechanic for the Specialisation… Its only a dream, but kitten , that would be freaking awesome. Question would be if the old utilities stayed the same or got, like, a 30-40 second CD decrease in exchange for costing Life Force. That would buff Necro immensly I think.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

They either get lifesteal or good condition pressure, though. Hammer is where the lifesteal is, and that’s pure Power weapon. Mace/Axe is a little nuts, though. Glad they can’t have both.

at least they have the option to do both, although not at once. necros neither have those amounts of torment nor such accessible lifesteal.

a melee torment cleave weapon was exactly what i hoped greatsword would be ;-/

Muchacho.2390:

I dont think the lifesteal on hammer is that good. Do you really only want to autoattack?

what makes you think i ONLY want to do that? the lifesteal is just a nice bonus on top of it and revenants dont have to invest anything to get it.

spoj.9672:

My biggest fear is revenant will force all classes except ele and warrior out of the PvE meta. It looks pretty likely at this point. I wouldnt be surprised with a smoke field and then that means rev can do guard and thiefs job with just one slot. So groups can take an extra ele. I really hope im wrong and that the specialisations really are pretty amazing.

Muchacho.2390:

I dont think the lifesteal on hammer is that good. Do you really only want to autoattack?

Funny you should mention this. That hammer auto with the dark field on skill 4 has completely destroyed necros one unique use in all of PvE. And that was dark field + icebow 2 spam for fast jade maw kills (thief can do it aswell but SR has long cd and isnt enough for jade maw). Looks like i will no longer be rolling necro whenever my group gets jade maw on fractal 50 once HoT releases.

A good point, i was only thinking about lifesteal for the revenant himself. Yeah the group dynamic will be a lot different.

Bubi.5237:

Pelopidas.2140:

Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum

I’ll use this as my sig. thanks~

I’ll use it too, it’s too true to just let it sink somewhere

Mallyx is more like necro on crack. Slowly kills himself due to no condi removal. Can’t get out of CC due to no stunbreaks but it has everything i wanted in necro.
Apart from that elite has its limits (transfer every 3 sec, condi duration capped at 3 sec).
So while mallyx looks awesome on first glance, it has necros vulnerabilities x10.

Also is it confirmed/denied that revenant can’t choose utility skills? Arrows are there but they could be for changing skill location only.

Rym.1469:

I am curious about that Mace triple blast finisher.

If I use it against a wall, will I lose some of the blasts or will they just stack?

Player vs Corner nevah dieee !

You can probably manipulate it like burning speed and make the blasts cover a shorter distance. I severely doubt anet will fix camera manipulations for HoT. Besides all 3 should hit inside a flamewall for prestacking. So even if the rev misses out on a single blast the rest of the group wont. Wall might also work as you said. But im banking on camera manipulations for triple blasts.

Bellamy.9860:

Also is it confirmed/denied that revenant can’t choose utility skills? Arrows are there but they could be for changing skill location only.

Apparently it’s something they are still exploring.

I just wanted to say. One time; I suggested a trait for necromancer that said “Break stuns when entering Death Shroud”. And everyone jumped ALL over me with how broken OP it’d be. But I don’t see how it’s any more OP than stun breaking with legend swap. O.o

ronpierce.2760:

I just wanted to say. One time; I suggested a trait for necromancer that said “Break stuns when entering Death Shroud”. And everyone jumped ALL over me with how broken OP it’d be. But I don’t see how it’s any more OP than stun breaking with legend swap. O.o

Well I only saw one stun break out of all their bar skills and it was their elite. So it still stands at this point. Plus they can’t just flash their legends like we can flash DS. If they use it to stunbreak it is a more significant choice.

Bellamy.9860:

Mallyx is more like necro on crack. Slowly kills himself due to no condi removal. Can’t get out of CC due to no stunbreaks but it has everything i wanted in necro.
Apart from that elite has its limits (transfer every 3 sec, condi duration capped at 3 sec).
So while mallyx looks awesome on first glance, it has necros vulnerabilities x10.

Also is it confirmed/denied that revenant can’t choose utility skills? Arrows are there but they could be for changing skill location only.

They have a trait that stun breaks on legend swap